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[zirge]

You will never see 551 total yds and 6 tds from Gus, ever!

Even beyond the stats, he just seemed more comfortable and more confident in his decisions. If you didn't know any better, you would never be able to tell that Gus has started more games than Gubrud just by watching the game film. And EWU started an offensive line with only a handful of actual game starts, much fewer than the Griz o-line.

the way that EWU played in their first game with a QB that only threw 13 times last year and then completing 34-40 yesterday, my guess is, they may have a better chance of upseting UNI in 2 weeks than we do.
good first game for a young soph QB, EW had over 600 yds of offense. they have no let down with NDSU next week.
this could further your observation if he plays consistently.

 

[zirge]

You will never see 551 total yds and 6 tds from Gus, ever!

But you will see EWU's defense allow 551 total yards and 6 TDs, year in and year out.

Funny, since this thread has nothing to do with each teams respective defenses.

Well, would you rather have the QBs that Eastern has or the defense that we have? Yes both would be ideal but you have to choose one.

why? to name a couple, NDSU and UNI don't have to so why should we! not sure of your logic here.

 

[Geddes]

I want to see Jensen run this team. They guy is 6'2 215lbs and has played in a system just like Stitts when he was in HS.

Hmm. Thought Stitt's system was like no other.

At its core Stitts offense is read option football. The innovation of Stitts offense is how he exploits what the defense is doing.

To me, the core of Stitt's offense is far more the "west coast" style. He has definitely implemented the read option into that.

Edit: I think of Pflugrad's offense as being more read option at it's core.

 

[ilovethecats]

not to take anything away from the ewu qb.....he truly could be the 2nd coming. however, when you throw the ball almost 2x as much as you run...and you have copper kupp...you have a shot at putting up big numbers.

also, wsu's defense is abysmal. not msu '15 abysmal....but terrible just the same.

The Cougs were predicted to challenge for the Pac 12 crown this year and Eastern put up more points Saturday than any of their opponents did last year, except Washington who also put up 45 against the Cougs last year.

A lot of credit needs to be given to Easterns new coach, Troy Taylor, who is the QB coach and Co-offensive coordinator. His game plan was perfect and his new offense for Eastern is going to give teams fits, as it did WSU...

Also, when you're covering Eastern's receivers, Kupp included, with Linebackers and Safeties, Eastern will throw it every time. Baldwin has also proven he will run the ball every time if you drop everyone back in coverage...

I stated I wasn't trying to take anything away from the qb. he could be very good. and like you pointed out, if you play against a weak defense who tries to cover a great wr core with linebackers you're going to throw a ton. that'll boost any qb's numbers. not trying to take anything away...

also, I guess "challenge for the pac12 crown is relative. I remember seeing them 4th of 6 teams just in the north division. in the coaches poll they were behind Stanford, usc, ucla, Washington, Oregon, and Utah. they are challenging for the pac12 title like the cats are challenging for the big sky title.

understand i'm not dogging on ewu. you guys appear to be very tough again. ANY win against the fbs is a great win. I was simply trying to put your qb's numbers in perspective. hell...maybe he'll throw for that many yards and td's every game?!

 

[Htowngriz]

But you will see EWU's defense allow 551 total yards and 6 TDs, year in and year out.

Funny, since this thread has nothing to do with each teams respective defenses.

Well, would you rather have the QBs that Eastern has or the defense that we have? Yes both would be ideal but you have to choose one.

why? to name a couple, NDSU and UNI don't have to so why should we! not sure of your logic here.

It's a hypothetical. For all the amazing QBs and WRs Eastern has had the last decade or so, it's only gotten them one national title, and that was on the backs of their defense, in the championship game at least.

 

[Htowngriz]

not to take anything away from the ewu qb.....he truly could be the 2nd coming. however, when you throw the ball almost 2x as much as you run...and you have copper kupp...you have a shot at putting up big numbers.

also, wsu's defense is abysmal. not msu '15 abysmal....but terrible just the same.

The Cougs were predicted to challenge for the Pac 12 crown this year and Eastern put up more points Saturday than any of their opponents did last year, except Washington who also put up 45 against the Cougs last year.

A lot of credit needs to be given to Easterns new coach, Troy Taylor, who is the QB coach and Co-offensive coordinator. His game plan was perfect and his new offense for Eastern is going to give teams fits, as it did WSU...

Also, when you're covering Eastern's receivers, Kupp included, with Linebackers and Safeties, Eastern will throw it every time. Baldwin has also proven he will run the ball every time if you drop everyone back in coverage...

I stated I wasn't trying to take anything away from the qb. he could be very good. and like you pointed out, if you play against a weak defense who tries to cover a great wr core with linebackers you're going to throw a ton. that'll boost any qb's numbers. not trying to take anything away...

also, I guess "challenge for the pac12 crown is relative. I remember seeing them 4th of 6 teams just in the north division. in the coaches poll they were behind Stanford, usc, ucla, Washington, Oregon, and Utah. they are challenging for the pac12 title like the cats are challenging for the big sky title.

understand i'm not dogging on ewu. you guys appear to be very tough again. ANY win against the fbs is a great win. I was simply trying to put your qb's numbers in perspective. hell...maybe he'll throw for that many yards and td's every game?!

I agree. If they can put up big numbers against NDSU, even in a loss, I'll definitely believe they're back.

 

[RobGriz]

I want to see Jensen run this team. They guy is 6'2 215lbs and has played in a system just like Stitts when he was in HS.

Hmm. Thought Stitt's system was like no other.

At its core Stitts offense is read option football. The innovation of Stitts offense is how he exploits what the defense is doing.

To me, the core of Stitt's offense is far more the "west coast" style. He has definitely implemented the read option into that.

Edit: I think of Pflugrad's offense as being more read option at it's core.

Philosophy wise, yes I can see that.

 

[AZGrizFan]

not to take anything away from the ewu qb.....he truly could be the 2nd coming. however, when you throw the ball almost 2x as much as you run...and you have copper kupp...you have a shot at putting up big numbers.

also, wsu's defense is abysmal. not msu '15 abysmal....but terrible just the same.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Love a cat fan with a sense of humor... :thumb:

 

[Inspector Griz]

I think EWU give the Bizon a big scare and possible even beat them in a close one.

 

[brewskis]

How the hell does EWU every year reload at QB and Montana cant even find one good one? Is it because they play in a system that allows the QB to shine? Or is it that Montana has a tough time evaluating talent in that position?

Anyone know the answer to this?

It's good to see you back around here Steve.


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[Phoenix_Griz]

What do you think LSU is talking about in their chatrooms? (Other than firing Les). Those guys bring in top 5 1-A recruiting classes and haven't had a decent college QB since Jamarcus Russell.

There are a lot of high end college football teams that don't have the answer to consistently good QB play.

 

[BearClox]

Ok, first post. I've been good to read here in the past, but the huge blindspot I'm seeing here prompted me to finally post.

First of all, EWU has not cultivated any special "system" for recruitment. Good players are increasing there because their university is in the process of replacing Washington State for various reasons we don't want to argue about.

Like NFL teams draw from, and are reloacated due to, changing demographics EWU has to do very little to replace WSU as the second school in the state. It's just going to happen and this progression is only a matter of time, not of some genius moves by coaching staff (or Administrative strategy). WSU is in the wrong place, with the wrong focus based on the growth of the state.

We are starting to see some of the same problems here in Missoula. At some point our fan base, history, legendary football community and reputation won't be able to keep up with the changing trends of our state. We are becoming the smaller school, the second choice for students and state resources are following how students and families are voting with their futures and wallets.

I'm only guessing, but we will probably be lucky to draw 10k students this year while the other guys break records at around 17k.

HOPEFULLY THIS CHANGES, AND QUICKLY!

The question isn't how does EWU "Generate magical QB mojo?", but "how can Missoula/UM dusrupt a demographic trend that will send the athletes with the most to gain/loose to the 'trending' institution in the state?".

Canary in the tunnel folks...

 

[AZGrizFan]

Ok, first post. I've been good to read here in the past, but the huge blindspot I'm seeing here prompted me to finally post.

First of all, EWU has not cultivated any special "system" for recruitment. Good players are increasing there because their university is in the process of replacing Washington State for various reasons we don't want to argue about.

Like NFL teams draw from, and are reloacated due to, changing demographics EWU has to do very little to replace WSU as the second school in the state. It's just going to happen and this progression is only a matter of time, not of some genius moves by coaching staff (or Administrative strategy). WSU is in the wrong place, with the wrong focus based on the growth of the state.

And you base this theory on, what, exactly? Their proximity to Spokompton?

Washington State University has 2.5 x the # of students, is the state land grant university, is located in the picturesque town of Pullman, is ranked in the top 150 nationally, and is a member of a Power-5 conference.

EWU is a community college masquerading as a university, sits in the shithole meth capital of the world, Cheney, has a tampon for a football field, and is in the heralded Big Sky Conference.

If EWU is "replacing" WSU as the 2nd school in the state it surely isn't going to happen in MY lifetime.... :roll: :roll:

 

[SoldierGriz]

Ok, first post. I've been good to read here in the past, but the huge blindspot I'm seeing here prompted me to finally post.

First of all, EWU has not cultivated any special "system" for recruitment. Good players are increasing there because their university is in the process of replacing Washington State for various reasons we don't want to argue about.

Like NFL teams draw from, and are reloacated due to, changing demographics EWU has to do very little to replace WSU as the second school in the state. It's just going to happen and this progression is only a matter of time, not of some genius moves by coaching staff (or Administrative strategy). WSU is in the wrong place, with the wrong focus based on the growth of the state.

And you base this theory on, what, exactly? Their proximity to Spokompton?

Washington State University has 2.5 x the # of students, is the state land grant university, is located in the picturesque town of Pullman, is ranked in the top 150 nationally, and is a member of a Power-5 conference.

EWU is a community college masquerading as a university, sits in the shithole meth capital of the world, Cheney, has a tampon for a football field, and is in the heralded Big Sky Conference.

If EWU is "replacing" WSU as the 2nd school in the state it surely isn't going to happen in MY lifetime.... :roll: :roll:

I have no idea regarding the university situation in Washington. But, I do have kids in high school. The only thing I do know is that not one of my kids, or any of their friends are choosing traditional liberal arts schools for college. NOT ONE. They are ALL going to schools that end with state, A&M, or tech. Have to provide degrees that produce immediate, high paying jobs; engineering schools do that.

I don't pretend to know what it means, but I do know what I am seeing...

 

[EWURanger29]

Ok, first post. I've been good to read here in the past, but the huge blindspot I'm seeing here prompted me to finally post.

First of all, EWU has not cultivated any special "system" for recruitment. Good players are increasing there because their university is in the process of replacing Washington State for various reasons we don't want to argue about.

Like NFL teams draw from, and are reloacated due to, changing demographics EWU has to do very little to replace WSU as the second school in the state. It's just going to happen and this progression is only a matter of time, not of some genius moves by coaching staff (or Administrative strategy). WSU is in the wrong place, with the wrong focus based on the growth of the state.

And you base this theory on, what, exactly? Their proximity to Spokompton?

Washington State University has 2.5 x the # of students, is the state land grant university, is located in the picturesque town of Pullman, is ranked in the top 150 nationally, and is a member of a Power-5 conference.

EWU is a community college masquerading as a university, sits in the shithole meth capital of the world, Cheney, has a tampon for a football field, and is in the heralded Big Sky Conference.

If EWU is "replacing" WSU as the 2nd school in the state it surely isn't going to happen in MY lifetime.... :roll: :roll:

The picturesque town of Pullman? :lol:

Cheney has far less of a meth problem than Missoula.

The only way WSU has anywhere near 2 1/2 times the number of students as EWU is if you include satellite campuses and online students...and even then, it's not close to that. ~20,000 on the Pullman campus compared to ~13,500 on the Cheney/Spokane campuses.

 

[EWURanger29]

Also, to answer the original question - I think it is largely the system. That seems to be the common denominator. Here's a recent article I just read the other day about this very subject. I thought it was a pretty good read and addresses some of what's in this thread.

http://3downnation.com/2016/09/03/qa-cfl-qb-whisperer-beau-baldwin/

 

[AZGrizFan]

Ok, first post. I've been good to read here in the past, but the huge blindspot I'm seeing here prompted me to finally post.

First of all, EWU has not cultivated any special "system" for recruitment. Good players are increasing there because their university is in the process of replacing Washington State for various reasons we don't want to argue about.

Like NFL teams draw from, and are reloacated due to, changing demographics EWU has to do very little to replace WSU as the second school in the state. It's just going to happen and this progression is only a matter of time, not of some genius moves by coaching staff (or Administrative strategy). WSU is in the wrong place, with the wrong focus based on the growth of the state.

And you base this theory on, what, exactly? Their proximity to Spokompton?

Washington State University has 2.5 x the # of students, is the state land grant university, is located in the picturesque town of Pullman, is ranked in the top 150 nationally, and is a member of a Power-5 conference.

EWU is a community college masquerading as a university, sits in the shithole meth capital of the world, Cheney, has a tampon for a football field, and is in the heralded Big Sky Conference.

If EWU is "replacing" WSU as the 2nd school in the state it surely isn't going to happen in MY lifetime.... :roll: :roll:

The picturesque town of Pullman? :lol:

Cheney has far less of a meth problem than Missoula.

The only way WSU has anywhere near 2 1/2 times the number of students as EWU is if you include satellite campuses and online students...and even then, it's not close to that. ~20,000 on the Pullman campus compared to ~13,500 on the Cheney/Spokane campuses.

Picturesque compared to trailer town? Absolutely. And you're going to count ewu's Spokane campus but not wsu's?


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[EWURanger29]

Ok, first post. I've been good to read here in the past, but the huge blindspot I'm seeing here prompted me to finally post.

First of all, EWU has not cultivated any special "system" for recruitment. Good players are increasing there because their university is in the process of replacing Washington State for various reasons we don't want to argue about.

Like NFL teams draw from, and are reloacated due to, changing demographics EWU has to do very little to replace WSU as the second school in the state. It's just going to happen and this progression is only a matter of time, not of some genius moves by coaching staff (or Administrative strategy). WSU is in the wrong place, with the wrong focus based on the growth of the state.

And you base this theory on, what, exactly? Their proximity to Spokompton?

Washington State University has 2.5 x the # of students, is the state land grant university, is located in the picturesque town of Pullman, is ranked in the top 150 nationally, and is a member of a Power-5 conference.

EWU is a community college masquerading as a university, sits in the shithole meth capital of the world, Cheney, has a tampon for a football field, and is in the heralded Big Sky Conference.

If EWU is "replacing" WSU as the 2nd school in the state it surely isn't going to happen in MY lifetime.... :roll: :roll:

The picturesque town of Pullman? :lol:

Cheney has far less of a meth problem than Missoula.

The only way WSU has anywhere near 2 1/2 times the number of students as EWU is if you include satellite campuses and online students...and even then, it's not close to that. ~20,000 on the Pullman campus compared to ~13,500 on the Cheney/Spokane campuses.

Picturesque compared to trailer town? Absolutely. And you're going to count ewu's Spokane campus but not wsu's?


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Count both of them (Riverpoint is a shared campus BTW) - it's still nowhere 2.5 times the enrollment. And there are very few "trailers" in Cheney. Just because you want something to be so, does not mean that it is.

Now, back to the discussion of why EWU has had so many great QB's. Did you read the article? :thumb:

 

[get'em_griz]

Is bubble growler, alpha, or PR? My bet is on the pickle.

By the way, did you know PR has a wife? Wow!

Bubble is growler/pickle boy. Growler on maroonblood made the "bubble screen Bob" reference in one of his ramblings.

 

[AZGrizFan]

And you base this theory on, what, exactly? Their proximity to Spokompton?

Washington State University has 2.5 x the # of students, is the state land grant university, is located in the picturesque town of Pullman, is ranked in the top 150 nationally, and is a member of a Power-5 conference.

EWU is a community college masquerading as a university, sits in the shithole meth capital of the world, Cheney, has a tampon for a football field, and is in the heralded Big Sky Conference.

If EWU is "replacing" WSU as the 2nd school in the state it surely isn't going to happen in MY lifetime.... :roll: :roll:

The picturesque town of Pullman? :lol:

Cheney has far less of a meth problem than Missoula.

The only way WSU has anywhere near 2 1/2 times the number of students as EWU is if you include satellite campuses and online students...and even then, it's not close to that. ~20,000 on the Pullman campus compared to ~13,500 on the Cheney/Spokane campuses.

Picturesque compared to trailer town? Absolutely. And you're going to count ewu's Spokane campus but not wsu's?


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Count both of them (Riverpoint is a shared campus BTW) - it's still nowhere 2.5 times the enrollment. And there are very few "trailers" in Cheney. Just because you want something to be so, does not mean that it is.

Now, back to the discussion of why EWU has had so many great QB's. Did you read the article? :thumb:

That's awesome. #1, it doesn't matter; #2, you're like shooting fish in a barrel; #3, none of it changes the fact EWU is not, will not and can not pass WSU as the "second university in the state". And how do they get so many great QB's? Hookers and blow, baby...hookers and blow.