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Team Grades

I really wanted to see some sacks and major pressure from the defense, but it’s damn hard to argue the grade with the overall performance.
 
Griz Addict said:
Sad to hear about the O-line, everything I've read/heard was making it sound like that was going to be one of the teams best group positions. Were all the real 1s playing?

More of the same from the O-Line...season after season the conversation remains the same.

Someone posts weight gains. Posters gush...

Someone posts experience gained "juniors and seniors"...Posters gush...

The other constant: same coach 7 years.
 
SoldierGriz said:
Griz Addict said:
Sad to hear about the O-line, everything I've read/heard was making it sound like that was going to be one of the teams best group positions. Were all the real 1s playing?

More of the same from the O-Line...season after season the conversation remains the same.

Someone posts weight gains. Posters gush...

Someone posts experience gained "juniors and seniors"...Posters gush...

The other constant: same coach 7 years.

Run lanes were present in the 3rd quarter. We gashed CWU a few times once Harris was in the game then obviously the end around claimed 50. I agree we need to do better both on the oline and at RB finding the right holes. But honestly I think the o line was OK in the running game.

There were pancakes and a few times in the first half there were holes open and missed. So I think it’s a combination issue but I’m not panicked about the oline from what I watched
 
mtgrizfankb said:
SoldierGriz said:
More of the same from the O-Line...season after season the conversation remains the same.

Someone posts weight gains. Posters gush...

Someone posts experience gained "juniors and seniors"...Posters gush...

The other constant: same coach 7 years.

Run lanes were present in the 3rd quarter. We gashed CWU a few times once Harris was in the game then obviously the end around claimed 50. I agree we need to do better both on the oline and at RB finding the right holes. But honestly I think the o line was OK in the running game.

There were pancakes and a few times in the first half there were holes open and missed. So I think it’s a combination issue but I’m not panicked about the oline from what I watched

I'm not panicked either. But, they are quite short of DOLA...
 
66volvo said:
Complete mystery why our senior-heavy 300+ pound O line cannot move people off the ball. No holes, no running lanes, no push, no pancakes. They can pass block. Just cannot run block. An area of concern. Let's see if Bobby blisters them this week in practice and brings them out hungry next week.
Agreed, and because of this, running backs just run into the mess anyway. They need to have better improvisations (eyes?) for future games.
 
SoldierGriz said:
mtgrizfankb said:
Run lanes were present in the 3rd quarter. We gashed CWU a few times once Harris was in the game then obviously the end around claimed 50. I agree we need to do better both on the oline and at RB finding the right holes. But honestly I think the o line was OK in the running game.

There were pancakes and a few times in the first half there were holes open and missed. So I think it’s a combination issue but I’m not panicked about the oline from what I watched

I'm not panicked either. But, they are quite short of DOLA...

We'll probably find out on Saturday if it was more of an issue of shaking off some rust and playing against someone other than Griz d-line players, or if we've still got a ways to go with this OL group.
 
mtgrizfankb said:
SoldierGriz said:
More of the same from the O-Line...season after season the conversation remains the same.

Someone posts weight gains. Posters gush...

Someone posts experience gained "juniors and seniors"...Posters gush...

The other constant: same coach 7 years.

Run lanes were present in the 3rd quarter. We gashed CWU a few times once Harris was in the game then obviously the end around claimed 50. I agree we need to do better both on the oline and at RB finding the right holes. But honestly I think the o line was OK in the running game.

There were pancakes and a few times in the first half there were holes open and missed. So I think it’s a combination issue but I’m not panicked about the oline from what I watched

Knight was missed. The team did score 59 points, which is more than good. Those were not defensive scores. CW was not turnover prone.

This is what Hauck said:

"“I thought it was good,” Hauck said. “I’d like to see us have a few more yards total. And I’d like to see our yards per carry be a little better. But again, that’s everybody has got to contribute, and we’ve got to read the RPO stuff better and we’ve got to get body on body better and we’ve got to get yards after contact better. We need work there.”

Hauck blamed lower yards per carry on the blockers and runners. His quote came pretty early yesterday, so I assume he didn't cheat and get his ideas from egriz. Note that none of our astute football analyst posters said anything about the RPO execution, to the my recollection.

Hauck also said this:

"“Central made plays on the ball in the pass game. They beat guys up front and tackled us in the run game,” Hauck said. “We just didn’t win. We didn’t execute. They did. Good by them, and we got to be better.”
 
PlayerRep said:
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Hauck blamed lower yards per carry on the blockers and runners. His quote came pretty early yesterday, so I assume he didn't cheat and get his ideas from egriz. Note that none of our astute football analyst posters said anything about the RPO execution, to the my recollection.
In a way, some did address the RPO issue: There seemed to be a great of concern about Humphrey not doing well on his "progressions." That could be interpreted as part of the RPO decision-making process.

For reasons that escape me, our streaming was spotty (being charitable), so my view of the game was pretty choppy. But I must say ... was not impressed with Ostmo as an all-around RB. Good as a power (short-yardage) back, but does not seem to have the agility to exploit holes that are not where he expects them or are out of his side-to-side range. Too bad, really, because he can move well once he gets rolling and has the power to blow up secondary backs and even smallish LBs. Unless he improves, defenses could start stacking tackle-to-tackle when he's in the backfield.
 
PlayerRep said:
mtgrizfankb said:
Run lanes were present in the 3rd quarter. We gashed CWU a few times once Harris was in the game then obviously the end around claimed 50. I agree we need to do better both on the oline and at RB finding the right holes. But honestly I think the o line was OK in the running game.

There were pancakes and a few times in the first half there were holes open and missed. So I think it’s a combination issue but I’m not panicked about the oline from what I watched

Knight was missed. The team did score 59 points, which is more than good. Those were not defensive scores. CW was not turnover prone.

This is what Hauck said:

"“I thought it was good,” Hauck said. “I’d like to see us have a few more yards total. And I’d like to see our yards per carry be a little better. But again, that’s everybody has got to contribute, and we’ve got to read the RPO stuff better and we’ve got to get body on body better and we’ve got to get yards after contact better. We need work there.”

Hauck blamed lower yards per carry on the blockers and runners. His quote came pretty early yesterday, so I assume he didn't cheat and get his ideas from egriz. Note that none of our astute football analyst posters said anything about the RPO execution, to the my recollection.

Hauck also said this:

"“Central made plays on the ball in the pass game. They beat guys up front and tackled us in the run game,” Hauck said. “We just didn’t win. We didn’t execute. They did. Good by them, and we got to be better.”

Hauck probably shouldn't make any statements without first checking with our experts here on eGriz...
 
BREAKING NEWS: Football team does not look their best in first "game" in over a year. Shocking. Also breaking news: Half of eGriz posters assume Griz will win Super Bowl, the other half predict 0-11 season.
 
MTGRZ said:
BREAKING NEWS: Football team does not look their best in first "game" in over a year. Shocking. Also breaking news: Half of eGriz posters assume Griz will win Super Bowl, the other half predict 0-11 season.

Shocking!!
 
MTGRZ said:
BREAKING NEWS: Football team does not look their best in first "game" in over a year. Shocking. Also breaking news: Half of eGriz posters assume Griz will win Super Bowl, the other half predict 0-11 season.
Sounds about par for the course.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
PlayerRep said:
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Hauck blamed lower yards per carry on the blockers and runners. His quote came pretty early yesterday, so I assume he didn't cheat and get his ideas from egriz. Note that none of our astute football analyst posters said anything about the RPO execution, to the my recollection.
In a way, some did address the RPO issue: There seemed to be a great of concern about Humphrey not doing well on his "progressions." That could be interpreted as part of the RPO decision-making process.

agreed. He did a good job making the decision when to pull and run, and made a nice move on the LB on the TD run to freeze him.

Brown's TD run was also a thing of beauty. Of course, that came against 4th stringers and the waterboy, so probably doesn't count. :D :D
 
AZGrizFan said:
IdaGriz01 said:
In a way, some did address the RPO issue: There seemed to be a great of concern about Humphrey not doing well on his "progressions." That could be interpreted as part of the RPO decision-making process.

agreed. He did a good job making the decision when to pull and run, and made a nice move on the LB on the TD run to freeze him.

Brown's TD run was also a thing of beauty. Of course, that came against 4th stringers and the waterboy, so probably doesn't count. :D :D

Greater football minds (of which there are an infinite supply) can correct me, but I think RPO is tricky because of the timing. Which 450 days off isn't going to help. The QB has to account pre-snap for numbers in the box, formation, leverage, and coverage. On top of that, I know some posters are on Ostmo for not finding holes, but usually, just like in the old style options, the RB is heading into the B/C gap (depending) and is counting on first a hole there and second a lineman getting to the second level.

In our first game the line looked like battleships but not a rapid deployment force. We will have to see what happens in terms of pulling, trapping, etc. We can't use 5 to beat 3 and expect our running back to do all the heavy lifting.
 
Overall, the team did as it should do, destroying a lower division team.

Offense:
QB: Humphrey led offense, inconsistent, too many forced passes, and didn't see more open WR's. Grade B-.
Brown led offense, what's not to like? Brown's passing ability, made up for lack of consistent running
game. Grade A.
RB: Ostmo's power and 2nd chance efforts are impressive, but wasn't quick to the LOS. Solid receiving
option. Grade B-
Harris- love how quick he is to the LOS. Great receiving option out of the backfield. Grade B.

WR: Akem got screwed by officials. Still made an impact with limited opportunities. Grade A
Sulser made terrific plays and was accounted for consistently. Grade A
Simpson, surprised me, took advantage of his opportunities, got me to consider him as a
consistent possession, redzone WR. Grade A (compared to what I expected, not compared to the
knowns).
White, also did well with his opportunities. Made plays down the field and and as a possession short
mid routes. Didn't shy away from contact. Grade A.
Roberts- seemed to be a little off his game, or difficulty with getting in sync with Humphrey.
Very difficult to grade him individually. B-
Flowers- also took advantage of his touches. His run was the best running play of the game.
Surprisingly was effective as a possession WR, and was accounted for. Grade A.

TE: Collectively, they made the plays the had to made and did terrific in helping protect the QB.
As a unit, they were all consistent, and neither stood out to me. Unit Grade- B+

OL: Maybe, OL experts can break down the guys individually. As a unit, I saw 2 different lines.
Pass protection- they did terrific. Grade A.
Run blocking/ execution- seems to me there just wasn't consistent control of the Defensive Line and
LB's. Holes were few and far between. Grade C


Defense
DL: Like the OL, have to grade the unit as a whole against the pass, and against the run.
Pass Rush just wasn't there consistently. Which led to CWU opportunities to extend plays.
The success CWU did have on offense were extended plays. Grade C (giving them the benefit of
doubt, that play design and calling was on the conservative side.
Rush defense, I only recall 1 designed run beyond 10 yards. Grade A
LB: Experts, please weigh in here. It appeared to me, the LBS weren't expected to add to the pass rush.
It looked to me, the LBS were just expected to contain plays, play zones, and look for an occasional .
threat out of the backfield and or TE. It looked to me they stuck their responsibilities. Grade B+
DB: I only recall a few plays when the receiving options were open within a few seconds.
The majority of completed passes were extended plays due to the lack of a pass rush.
Tackling was very sound and a dramatically improved. Dare I say, "They played with some attitude".
As a unit, they far exceeded my expectations. Hopefully, it all continues. Grade A+

Special Teams: Very impressive overall.
K - Low trajectory on kicks. Then again, nailed a long FG easily. Grade B
Kickoffs- STRONG kickoffs, even against the wind made it to or near the goal line. Executed all the kickoff
types well. Grade A+
P- Not much to say, executed well. Grade A
Snaps- Terrific Grade A+

Returns- Long returns by Flowers, Sulser, and Hauck. Unfortunately, Sulser and Hauck should have used a fair catch 1 time each. That kept the grade from being perfect. Bonus points for downfield blocking though. Still an A+.

Coverage- Nothing to not like. Didn't see any breakdowns. Grade A+. I bet Hauck found some things to work on though.

Areas of improvement
Humphrey using progressions and not forcing the ball.
Running game- absolutely have to maintain blocking and allow RB to get to the 2nd level.
Pass Rush- it was non existent. I have a feeling that was by design though.
Kris Brown getting reps with the 1st team.
More trajectory on FG's and XP kicks.

Overall:
1st half grade= B
2nd half grade= A

Hoping for a B+ to A+ performance against PSU.
 
66volvo said:
Complete mystery why our senior-heavy 300+ pound O line cannot move people off the ball. No holes, no running lanes, no push, no pancakes. They can pass block. Just cannot run block. An area of concern. Let's see if Bobby blisters them this week in practice and brings them out hungry next week.
Ostmo's lack of speed and ability to dodge a tackle does not make the OL look any better either. They surprisingly looked better when Harris was in.

But we have more push, push, pillow fights going on out there than knocking people down. Maybe that's what we have to expect from 300+ athletes better suited to be immobile pass blockers.
 
SaskGriz said:
AZGrizFan said:
In our first game the line looked like battleships but not a rapid deployment force. We will have to see what happens in terms of pulling, trapping, etc. We can't use 5 to beat 3 and expect our running back to do all the heavy lifting.
Pulling, trapping, etc. is rare in this zone blocking scheme. And it's a shame. It requires OLmen that are not battleships and have footspeed and agility. Zone blocking requires a RB that can see a seam forming before it's there and have a burst to get through it. I see neither from Ostmo. Harris has both; I just hope the tiny guy can survive. We desperately need a Knight replacement if he's out for the season.

To beat 3? So you don't consider the LBs to be part of the D front?
 
kemajic said:
SaskGriz said:
Pulling, trapping, etc. is rare in this zone blocking scheme. And it's a shame. It requires OLmen that are not battleships and have footspeed and agility. Zone blocking requires a RB that can see a seam forming before it's there and have a burst to get through it. I see neither from Ostmo. Harris has both; I just hope the tiny guy can survive. We desperately need a Knight replacement if he's out for the season.

To beat 3? So you don't consider the LBs to be part of the D front?
My bad, not in terms of LBs, they count depending on where they line up but CWU used a ton of 4 down line men. You are 100% on the kind of back we need for an RPO set up. Not writing off Ostmo after one game in two years. It will be interesting to see it all comes together with more reps.
 
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