SUU, SUU, SUU, SUU!!!

[SeaGrizluvr]

Yep and my point was you cant take anything for granted. Even mighty Weber can stumble. Like a prior post said, you have to take advantage when you get the breaks and UM and Weber did that in their OT games this year. Griz still have a 1 game lead with their final road game ahead. Will be a tough one but if they can get past that one I like their chances at home for the final 2

If they beat SUU, they don't even need to win their final two. They would only need to win one of them to clinch. Griz are in great shape. They're even in good shape with a loss at SUU, because the cats have the tie-break over SUU.

So the Griz would still host even if they lost one of their final 3?

Well, if they beat SUU and then lose to either UNC or NAU at home, then yes, your assumption is correct.
The Griz would have the tie-break over Weber based on the Griz sweep over MSU and the Weber split against them.

However, if the Griz lose to SUU, it gets more complicated. Since Weber and UM split their head to head games, the next tie break scenario is how each team did against the other teams in the conference, starting at the top and working down. The first time that you come to a team that one team has swept and the other has a loss to, the tie is broken. Weber has lost to MSU and UM has swept them. So if MSU finishes higher in the standings than SUU, UM would have the tie break even if they lose to SUU. But if SUU finishes ahead of MSU (and assuming UM loses to SUU), Weber would have the tie break.

So, of course the easiest route is just to beat SUU, because then you'd hold every tie break over Weber (which is why they'd only need to one one of their two remaining games).

But where UM has another slight advantage is that MSU holds the tie-break over SUU (based on sweeping their head to head games), so if those two teams end up tied, UM owns the tie break.

So basically if (God forbid!) UM loses to SUU Monday, root like hell for cat wins and SUU losses!

Make sense?

Are you sure about this? Even if we win at SUU, if one of the 2 teams to visit the state next weekend sweeps both us and the cats, they would finish ahead of the bobcats and we would lose the tiebreaker.

 

[Grizzly Oredigger]

Yep and my point was you cant take anything for granted. Even mighty Weber can stumble. Like a prior post said, you have to take advantage when you get the breaks and UM and Weber did that in their OT games this year. Griz still have a 1 game lead with their final road game ahead. Will be a tough one but if they can get past that one I like their chances at home for the final 2

If they beat SUU, they don't even need to win their final two. They would only need to win one of them to clinch. Griz are in great shape. They're even in good shape with a loss at SUU, because the cats have the tie-break over SUU.

So the Griz would still host even if they lost one of their final 3?

Well, if they beat SUU and then lose to either UNC or NAU at home, then yes, your assumption is correct.
The Griz would have the tie-break over Weber based on the Griz sweep over MSU and the Weber split against them.

However, if the Griz lose to SUU, it gets more complicated. Since Weber and UM split their head to head games, the next tie break scenario is how each team did against the other teams in the conference, starting at the top and working down. The first time that you come to a team that one team has swept and the other has a loss to, the tie is broken. Weber has lost to MSU and UM has swept them. So if MSU finishes higher in the standings than SUU, UM would have the tie break even if they lose to SUU. But if SUU finishes ahead of MSU (and assuming UM loses to SUU), Weber would have the tie break.

So, of course the easiest route is just to beat SUU, because then you'd hold every tie break over Weber (which is why they'd only need to one one of their two remaining games).

But where UM has another slight advantage is that MSU holds the tie-break over SUU (based on sweeping their head to head games), so if those two teams end up tied, UM owns the tie break.

So basically if (God forbid!) UM loses to SUU Monday, root like hell for cat wins and SUU losses!

Make sense?

I think the BSC really screwed this up...so basically the team that lost their second game to the crappier team (team with the worst record) is rewarded with the tie-breaker? That to me proves they are the worse team. I would rather my second loss be to north dakota in third place than to ISU in last (for example), but if that were the case we would lose the tie-breaker because we lost to UND (who finished ahead of MSU, which Weber lost to) and weber beat UND twice...anyone else think this is weird?

 

[SeaGrizluvr]

Well, if they beat SUU and then lose to either UNC or NAU at home, then yes, your assumption is correct.
The Griz would have the tie-break over Weber based on the Griz sweep over MSU and the Weber split against them.



So, of course the easiest route is just to beat SUU, because then you'd hold every tie break over Weber (which is why they'd only need to one one of their two remaining games).


Make sense?

No. It wouldn't matter if we swept MSU if they ended up behind either UNC or NAU in the standings. Which they would if UNC or NAU beats us and the bobcats this week. Then we would have 1 loss against a team that Weber had swept that is highest in the standings. Result: Weber hosts.

 

[EverettGriz]

Except the Griz do no play UNC. They play NAU and Sac, but yes assuming one of those teams wins both games on the road (something I consider unlikely) you are correct that they would finish ahead of MSU and Weber would then own the tie break. I'm not about to look at tie-break scenarios if one beats UM and loses to MSU until it matters.

So, the Griz should just win out.

 

[SeaGrizluvr]

Except the Griz do no play UNC. They play NAU and Sac, but yes assuming one of those teams wins both games on the road (something I consider unlikely) you are correct that they would finish ahead of MSU and Weber would then own the tie break. I'm not about to look at tie-break scenarios if one beats UM and loses to MSU until it matters.

So, the Griz should just win out.

Thanks EverettGriz, that's who I meant. Just too many teams and tie situations in my head.

 

[DoubleNicks]

If they beat SUU, they don't even need to win their final two. They would only need to win one of them to clinch. Griz are in great shape. They're even in good shape with a loss at SUU, because the cats have the tie-break over SUU.

So the Griz would still host even if they lost one of their final 3?

Well, if they beat SUU and then lose to either UNC or NAU at home, then yes, your assumption is correct.
The Griz would have the tie-break over Weber based on the Griz sweep over MSU and the Weber split against them.

However, if the Griz lose to SUU, it gets more complicated. Since Weber and UM split their head to head games, the next tie break scenario is how each team did against the other teams in the conference, starting at the top and working down. The first time that you come to a team that one team has swept and the other has a loss to, the tie is broken. Weber has lost to MSU and UM has swept them. So if MSU finishes higher in the standings than SUU, UM would have the tie break even if they lose to SUU. But if SUU finishes ahead of MSU (and assuming UM loses to SUU), Weber would have the tie break.

So, of course the easiest route is just to beat SUU, because then you'd hold every tie break over Weber (which is why they'd only need to one one of their two remaining games).

But where UM has another slight advantage is that MSU holds the tie-break over SUU (based on sweeping their head to head games), so if those two teams end up tied, UM owns the tie break.

So basically if (God forbid!) UM loses to SUU Monday, root like hell for cat wins and SUU losses!

Make sense?

I think the BSC really screwed this up...so basically the team that lost their second game to the crappier team (team with the worst record) is rewarded with the tie-breaker? That to me proves they are the worse team. I would rather my second loss be to north dakota in third place than to ISU in last (for example), but if that were the case we would lose the tie-breaker because we lost to UND (who finished ahead of MSU, which Weber lost to) and weber beat UND twice...anyone else think this is weird?

I see your point but it's kind of a glass-half-full/glass-half-empty perspective thing. One could also argue that Team A is better than Team B if Team A is able to sweep the next best team and Team B is only good enough to split with that team.

In a way, it's like the BSC is saying they prefer the team with greatest potential (ability to beat best teams but might have a rare slip-up) over the team that has the greatest consistency (can't beat best teams but avoids the rare slip-ups) when records are equal.

 

[Mousegriz]

Tie breaker confusing but must be the way it's done at many levels. MT high school bball the same. Hellgate became a #3 below Helena Capital #2. Both went 1-1 against each other and 1-1 against top seed Kalispell Glacier. Tiebreaker became Hellgate's loss over Big Sky (#4. Capital swept Big Sky but lost its 3rd game to Sentinel (#7). Guess the theory is how did you do against the other "best" teams, which makes some sense.

Best of luck to the Griz tonight. Game is huge and under the radar in Missoula. Get your radios/computers on and follow the game.

Go Griz!!

 

[Grizzly Oredigger]

So the Griz would still host even if they lost one of their final 3?

Well, if they beat SUU and then lose to either UNC or NAU at home, then yes, your assumption is correct.
The Griz would have the tie-break over Weber based on the Griz sweep over MSU and the Weber split against them.

However, if the Griz lose to SUU, it gets more complicated. Since Weber and UM split their head to head games, the next tie break scenario is how each team did against the other teams in the conference, starting at the top and working down. The first time that you come to a team that one team has swept and the other has a loss to, the tie is broken. Weber has lost to MSU and UM has swept them. So if MSU finishes higher in the standings than SUU, UM would have the tie break even if they lose to SUU. But if SUU finishes ahead of MSU (and assuming UM loses to SUU), Weber would have the tie break.

So, of course the easiest route is just to beat SUU, because then you'd hold every tie break over Weber (which is why they'd only need to one one of their two remaining games).

But where UM has another slight advantage is that MSU holds the tie-break over SUU (based on sweeping their head to head games), so if those two teams end up tied, UM owns the tie break.

So basically if (God forbid!) UM loses to SUU Monday, root like hell for cat wins and SUU losses!

Make sense?

I think the BSC really screwed this up...so basically the team that lost their second game to the crappier team (team with the worst record) is rewarded with the tie-breaker? That to me proves they are the worse team. I would rather my second loss be to north dakota in third place than to ISU in last (for example), but if that were the case we would lose the tie-breaker because we lost to UND (who finished ahead of MSU, which Weber lost to) and weber beat UND twice...anyone else think this is weird?

I see your point but it's kind of a glass-half-full/glass-half-empty perspective thing. One could also argue that Team A is better than Team B if Team A is able to sweep the next best team and Team B is only good enough to split with that team.

In a way, it's like the BSC is saying they prefer the team with greatest potential (ability to beat best teams but might have a rare slip-up) over the team that has the greatest consistency (can't beat best teams but avoids the rare slip-ups) when records are equal.

OK, I can see where they're coming from then, and that makes sense...I guess it's the BSC's choice. Just seems a little bass ackwards to me even though there probably isn't much of a difference.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Thanks to the freaking NCAA i cannot offer them the services of my private aircraft or it would be considered an "improper benefit". What is really IMPROPER is the schedule that forced them to make a 5,000 mile round trip to Davidson, they come back, go to Bozeman on a Satruday, play SUU on a Monday, then have Thu and Sat games the same week to end the regular season. If that is fair, then I vote for Fullerton for Commissioner of the Year, which is never going to happen. I scream bullshit

 

[AllWeatherFan]

And the best part is, our players are still going down there to kick some ass.

 

[zengriz]

...tonites win will be one small step for the season...
...and one giant step towardz the post season...
...juzt go in there and take care of businezz...

... ...

 

[zengriz]

...been there...
...called that...

... ...

 

[AllWeatherFan]

And the best part is, our players are still going down there to kick some ass.

You nailed it, AWF.

Thanks.

You're welcome.