Sugar Bowl

[Downwiththefoe]

What recruiting advantage does UM have over other top I-AA programs, like App. St., Delaware, JMU, Georgia Southern, Furman, Northern Iowa, Youngstown State, McNeese, etc?

Let's talk about the Average FCS type schools, The select few you cited above are not "Most fcs schools" The original comparison was Georgia (Montana) vs Hawaii (any non traditional powerhouse FCS school) and that Montana should be beating up teams like Georgia pushed around the Rainbows.

That was how this discussion started, correct?

The only teams the Griz are beating up on as of late are D-2 schools, non-scholarship, etc. The BSC has caught up to the Griz in the sense that every game seems to come down to the very end before the "W" is in hand.

Are they out recruiting us...in my mind it's not the recruits or the players that have caught up to the Griz, so I'm not sure why we are even having this discussion, but there it is to answer your question again.

 

[PlayerRep]

No, DWTF, this is what I was addressing: "Now at UM, we should be more like Georgia to every other team in the FCS. We should have just as much of an advantage over most every team in FCS as Georgia has over Hawaii."

Note the reference to "most every team" in FCS. This includes the top programs.

 

[GRZFTBL]

No, DWTF, this is what I was addressing: "Now at UM, we should be more like Georgia to every other team in the FCS. We should have just as much of an advantage over most every team in FCS as Georgia has over Hawaii."

Note the reference to "most every team" in FCS. This includes the top programs.

One would think Hawaii would be easy to recruit to. I mean, how much fun would Hawaii be at 19-20 yrs old. :thumb:

 

[Grizbacker1]

Hawai'i was too amped up at the start, couldn't tackle, couldn't execute. Seemed nervous and didn't play like I've seen them play earlier this year.

Meanwhile Georgia was bigger, faster and stronger.

Not a good mix, and it led to an ugly game. Which is probably just what the BCS wanted, now they can shrug off undefeated mid-majors saying they don't want a repeat of Georgia-Hawai'i

I'm with you part way here, Re/Max. I certainly agree that the Rainbows were too excited to start. In fact, I though that one or two of them were going to be the second coming of Steve Tasker. And GA's speed certainly made fools of the Rainbows' OL and DL. These together led to my point about total LOS domination, which led to your "ugly game" theory.

But the B(C)$ can't just "shrug off" undy mid-majors just like that. At least not logically. So HI wasn't as prepared as they should have been. Logically, to paint ALL mid-majors like that just doesn't hold water. All one has to do is look back to last year's Fiesta Bowl. (Power conference critics of Boise's tactics notwithstanding; that was just sour grapes, IMO.)

Of course, there's nothing to prohibit them from "conveniently" ignoring Boise's success last year. They probably will. I'm just saying that it won't be logical or fair, Swilly and his ilk be d***ed.

Hey SH,

They are no longer called the Rainbows. They began calling themelves Warriors in 2001. It is now 2008.

 

[Grizbacker1]

I like Hawaii. But do you think the fans will gripe because they only went 12-1? Sounds like someone else..... gimme a minute.

Not even close to our situation.


Hawaii is so far behind Georgia. Georgia has every advantage in money, facilities, tradition, support, and talent. The Hawaii fans could not have expected to win this game.

Now at UM, we should be more like Georgia to every other team in the FCS. We should have just as much of an advantage over most every team in FCS as Georgia has over Hawaii. But we don't beat anybody, outside of Fort lewie, like Georgia beat Hawaii. :twocents:

An early candidate...but this may be the best post of the year for all of 2008. Well said.

So now- my question to everybody, what can the Griz do (without turning this into a smack fest) to get to get back to that level of play that once was?

The first thing they have to do is quit having undefeated Conference seasons. All this does is confuse fans who are happy about that.

 

[PlayerRep]

DWTF, I think the Griz are already at the level of play they've been at. Jeez, UM lost a first round playoff game by 1 point, against a hard-to-prepare-for option team. Last year UM lost by 2 points in the semis to a very good UMass team.

Those plus Iowa are the only 3 losses in two years. 23-3 over two years, and we need to get back to a prior level of play? Has any playoff-eligible team had fewer losses in the past two years?

UM's problem isn't on the field; it's in the stands (and on the message board), in my view.

 

['68griz]

But ... the Griz still lost in the first round of the play-offs at home.... I don't care if they lost by one point or by 101 points, they still lost!

 

[grizfnz]

What recruiting advantage does UM have over other top I-AA programs, like App. St., Delaware, JMU, Georgia Southern, Furman, Northern Iowa, Youngstown State, McNeese, etc?

We have "one of the top recruiters in college football", they don't.

 

[PlayerRep]

So what, 68? It's not the first time UM lost a first round playoff game at home? You may judge a season or the overall state of a program by one game, but alot of people don't.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

But ... the Griz still lost in the first round of the play-offs at home.... I don't care if they lost by one point or by 101 points, they still lost!

I maintain they were both great college football games, even if we lost. I mean, it wasn't like we didn't compete - we had legitimate chances to win both games. It just came down to the bounce of the ball. You got to admit, even in our championship years, we won a few games that we should have lost, because the ball bounced our direction (remember Ricky Ray's errant pitch?). How is this any different?

 

[Downwiththefoe]

DWTF, I think the Griz are already at the level of play they've been at. Jeez, UM lost a first round playoff game by 1 point, against a hard-to-prepare-for option team. Last year UM lost by 2 points in the semis to a very good UMass team.

Those plus Iowa are the only 3 losses in two years. 23-3 over two years, and we need to get back to a prior level of play? Has any playoff-eligible team had fewer losses in the past two years?

UM's problem isn't on the field; it's in the stands (and on the message board), in my view.

In My view (I'm not alone..the Griz were ranked #1 and never lost..but fell every week in the polls pretty much-) This 2007 team should have contended for a National title...instead they won with smoke and mirrors and excuses all year long and then lost to Carroll South. The problem is in the booth and the film room...despite the shining record.

Let me ask you this for the record PR -Almost every Griz fan I have ever met, will shake their head and immediately come right out and tell you (a stranger in many cases they have never met) what they think of the staff, and handling of the Griz Football, especially the offense!!!

What do you think they say?


It's not:

"hey Pal- back off...we have only lost 3 games in two years including Iowa!...That's more than good enough for me!"


:naughty:

 

[PlayerRep]

Dear Bad Fan (just kidding DWTF):

The Griz didn't drop every week in the poll. In the main poll, I believe they ended the season at no. 2. That's not a big drop over the year.

I don't agree with you, DWTF. In fact, I've felt for much of the season that you must have fallen and hurt you head. For someone who played the game in college, I'm surprised you would analyze some of ways you did. You might want to get a bit closer to what's actually going on, is my view. I'm sorry, 23-3 is not smoke and mirrors. I don't believe any team in I-AA has fewer losses in that two-year period.

I know you know o-line play, and I respect that, but all of the o-lineman I've talked to (3) like Kaligas and think he's a good coach.

I know lots of Griz fans like to complain, but I know lots of people who aren't complaining at all. Sure, everyone would like a high-powered offense, but we've had a great defense and special teams, as well as a fairly good offense. Alot of Griz fans know how to complain, but that doesn't mean they know a damn thing about coaching or offense. That's my view, and I'm sticking to it.

 

[FrosttGriz]

I know lots of people who aren't complaining at all. Sure, everyone would like a high-powered offense, but we've had a great defense and special teams, as well as a fairly good offense. Alot of Griz fans know how to complain, but that doesn't mean they know a damn thing about coaching or offense. That's my view, and I'm sticking to it.

PlayerRep/GF10, I guess these people you know who aren't complaining are fine with home playoff losses and witnessing every year how our coaching staff lets down the players.

How many more tight games vs. Weber State caliber teams and home playoff losses is it going to take before you realize there needs to be some tweaking in the Grizzly program?

I don't think you'll ever realize this/as per all of your previous posts. How many more disappointing finishes against teams we are capable of beating before you'll unstick to it?

 

[Hammer]

I know you know o-line play, and I respect that, but all of the o-lineman I've talked to (3) like Kaligas and think he's a good coach.

Of course they tell you they think he's a good coach, what else are they going to say.."The guys a complete idiot"?? Those kids won't say one bad thing about any of the coaches publicly, I know for a fact the parent of one part time starter on the O-Line does not think the players are being properly coached, and another starter and big name has had issues with Kaligas and his coaching. Like I have said many times before, don't think you have the market cornered on talking to players and players parents! :twocents:

 

[SuperHornet]

Hawai'i was too amped up at the start, couldn't tackle, couldn't execute. Seemed nervous and didn't play like I've seen them play earlier this year.

Meanwhile Georgia was bigger, faster and stronger.

Not a good mix, and it led to an ugly game. Which is probably just what the BCS wanted, now they can shrug off undefeated mid-majors saying they don't want a repeat of Georgia-Hawai'i

I'm with you part way here, Re/Max. I certainly agree that the Rainbows were too excited to start. In fact, I though that one or two of them were going to be the second coming of Steve Tasker. And GA's speed certainly made fools of the Rainbows' OL and DL. These together led to my point about total LOS domination, which led to your "ugly game" theory.

But the B(C)$ can't just "shrug off" undy mid-majors just like that. At least not logically. So HI wasn't as prepared as they should have been. Logically, to paint ALL mid-majors like that just doesn't hold water. All one has to do is look back to last year's Fiesta Bowl. (Power conference critics of Boise's tactics notwithstanding; that was just sour grapes, IMO.)

Of course, there's nothing to prohibit them from "conveniently" ignoring Boise's success last year. They probably will. I'm just saying that it won't be logical or fair, Swilly and his ilk be d***ed.

Hey SH,

They are no longer called the Rainbows. They began calling themelves Warriors in 2001. It is now 2008.

Since when does a guy who doesn't buy stadium name sellouts and wants a 50-some-odd-year-old QB to take the reins again care about that stuff? They were always known as the Rainbow Warriors (to distinguish them from the Raibow Wahines). I don't care, GB.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Hawai'i was too amped up at the start, couldn't tackle, couldn't execute. Seemed nervous and didn't play like I've seen them play earlier this year.

Meanwhile Georgia was bigger, faster and stronger.

Not a good mix, and it led to an ugly game. Which is probably just what the BCS wanted, now they can shrug off undefeated mid-majors saying they don't want a repeat of Georgia-Hawai'i

I'm with you part way here, Re/Max. I certainly agree that the Rainbows were too excited to start. In fact, I though that one or two of them were going to be the second coming of Steve Tasker. And GA's speed certainly made fools of the Rainbows' OL and DL. These together led to my point about total LOS domination, which led to your "ugly game" theory.

But the B(C)$ can't just "shrug off" undy mid-majors just like that. At least not logically. So HI wasn't as prepared as they should have been. Logically, to paint ALL mid-majors like that just doesn't hold water. All one has to do is look back to last year's Fiesta Bowl. (Power conference critics of Boise's tactics notwithstanding; that was just sour grapes, IMO.)

Of course, there's nothing to prohibit them from "conveniently" ignoring Boise's success last year. They probably will. I'm just saying that it won't be logical or fair, Swilly and his ilk be d***ed.

Hey SH,

They are no longer called the Rainbows. They began calling themelves Warriors in 2001. It is now 2008.

Since when does a guy who doesn't buy stadium name sellouts and wants a 50-some-odd-year-old QB to take the reins again care about that stuff? They were always known as the Rainbow Warriors (to distinguish them from the Raibow Wahines). I don't care, GB.

Like I said, you are 7 years behind the times, wake up and smell, whatever it is you smell, probably Sanka.

 

[Bozgriz]

Easy GB, its illegal to smack a stalker in some states... :thumb:

 

[SuperHornet]

I haven't heard that name in years, GB. That's awesome.

But you shouldn't be surprised. You know I'm stuck in the '80s. I'll never leave!

:laugh:

 

[PlayerRep]

Hammer, I know lots of people know players or run into them. What I find interesting is that some like you think all players lie to me and tell the truth to you. Too funny. The other thing is that every player and parent you talk to is negative about something about Griz football. Again, too funny. You have no clue how my friends, family or I know some of these guys, or in what situation these subjects have come up. Many times statements just get made spontaneously, and not because anyone asked them a question. Do you really think the players run and around saying good things about their coaches, when no one is even asking them what they think of their coach. Too funny.

Why don't you just stick to telling us what your sources have said or supposedly said, instead of trying to tell me what my sources said.

 

[Wildman 4]

Hammer, I know lots of people know players or run into them. What I find interesting is that some like you think all players lie to me and tell the truth to you. Too funny. The other thing is that every player and parent you talk to is negative about something about Griz football. Again, too funny. You have no clue how my friends, family or I know some of these guys, or in what situation these subjects have come up. Many times statements just get made spontaneously, and not because anyone asked them a question. Do you really think the players run and around saying good things about their coaches, when no one is even asking them what they think of their coach. Too funny.

Why don't you just stick to telling us what your sources have said or supposedly said, instead of trying to tell me what my sources said.

Hammer, let me be the first to welcome you to the "U-call-our-players-liars" Club. We haven't had any new members in quite a while. The benefits aren't too great, but I think you'll enjoy the company. :beer2:
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