STRONG???

[AZDoc]

Latest update from Pullman:

"A Washington State University track and field athlete who allegedly was assaulted by University of Montana safety Justin Strong has been released from the hospital, according to Pullman police.

Strong, 22, was arrested in the early hours of Oct. 21 after allegedly assaulting Bradley "Wyatt" Meyring, 23, of Pullman, a thrower on the WSU track and field team."

Uh...that's an update? Thought the police (or someone else) confirmed the release last week...

 

[PlayerRep]

Latest update from Pullman:

"A Washington State University track and field athlete who allegedly was assaulted by University of Montana safety Justin Strong has been released from the hospital, according to Pullman police.

Strong, 22, was arrested in the early hours of Oct. 21 after allegedly assaulting Bradley "Wyatt" Meyring, 23, of Pullman, a thrower on the WSU track and field team."

Uh...that's an update? Thought the police (or someone else) confirmed the release last week...

I believe I had read previously that the guy had been released on Tuesday last week. Does that indicate that the injury was less serious than thought initially?

 

[PlayerRep]

Where is "behavior unbecoming to a Griz athlete" in the code?

Jesus. I agree with much of what you have written on this board in the past couple of days, but do you always have to play the semantics game? Obviously that exact verbiage is not in the conduct code but it was an incident that brought embarrassment to the team, and that is in the conduct code.

Where is "embarrassment" in the code? It isn't a semantics game, as I think you mean semantics.
However, here is the definition of semantics"

"he branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning. There are a number of branches and subbranches of semantics, including formal semantics, which studies the logical aspects of meaning, such as sense, reference, implication, and logical form, lexical semantics, which studies word meanings and word relations, and conceptual semantics, which studies the cognitive structure of meaning. the meaning of a word, phrase, sentence, or text."

I believe in words and the meaning of words. Whether in statutes. Statements. A message board. I studied and read words in high school, college and law school. I read and care about words everyday in my professional life. Whether writing $100,000 agreements or Billion dollar agreements, words matter, and words matter to me. I suspect that words matter to Mueller and to Manafort and his lawyers. Words matter in the documents that Mueller received and seized from Manafort. Sorry, words are not just semantics, in a non-meaningful way.

Is that why you leave important words out of many posts...then amend and defend? What's a "he branch"?

To the top egriz typo/grammar troll:

Auto type, and moving fast. With so much money to be made these days, only limited time for proofreading. Ha. Most everyone else seems to understand the meaning of the posts. Lots of posters have typos and words missing, but it seems that I must have stung you so hard at times, that you can only focus here. But it's nice to have my own proofreader on egriz, so keep up the good work.

 

[Ursus1]

Just by reading the student athlete code of conduct is why I stated what I said above. His actions didn't align to expectations. Not hard to understand. Where are you confused PR?

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I'm not confused. I just want you to back up your statements with quotes from the code. I have looked at the code many times. Now, since you made some assertions, you should read the code and cull out and quote what supports what you said. Here is what you said:

"Regardless he went against the code of conduct by simply being at a house party and getting in a fight. That alone is behavior unbecoming of a Griz athlete that each sign a contract on. That is why he got a 2 game suspension."

Where does it say that being at a party and getting in a fight is a violation? Do you think he got in a fight in the house? Do you think defending oneself constitutes a fight?

Where is "unbecoming of a Griz athlete" in the code, or what do you think is the equivalent?

Where does the code say that what Strong did, or what you think he did, results in a two-game suspension?

Again, you made the statements. You said it was in the code. Now, show us where you think it's in the code. If you can show us where this stuff is in the code, that would be great. We will then all have learned something.

Trying to argue with a lawyer who is full of himself and is a completely narcissistic ass hat is already a losing battle, but I'll bite....

Directly from the code:

- It is expected, therefore, that you will conduct yourself in a manner that brings pride to your team, the department, the campus, and the community. In general, the University expects you to train and strive for athletic excellence, to demonstrate academic honesty and integrity, to respect your fellow students and athletes, and to conduct yourself as a responsible citizen

So on this first point, am I to assume that getting arrested, booked, and released on a $50,000 bond for a felony assault after fracturing a skull at a house party is bringing pride to the team, the campus, and the community? No, strike one. Was he conducting himself as a responsible citizen? No, strike two. To answer your question, I think his direct actions are the equivalent of actions and behaviors unbecoming of a Griz athlete.

Also directly from the code:

- Violations of University policies and procedures, whether or not criminal charges are filed, may also affect your ability to participate in the University’s intercollegiate athletic program

That statement allows the ACT committee to suspend a student athlete regardless of charges being formally filed, which is exactly what has happened and I think are justified and warranted.


They get further ability to suspend or take action from the following, also directly from the code:


A. CategoryIViolation
A Category I violation occurs in any situation where an individual:
 Is charged with a felony and, in looking at the totality of the circumstances, it is
reasonable to believe the person committed the act (e.g., rape, sexual assault, other felony assault, felony theft, felony DUI, etc.).
o Preliminary Action: The Athletic Director or his/her designee shall take preliminary action to temporarily suspend a student-athlete from participation in practice, competition, and/or access to athletic department services when a student-athlete has been charged with a felony. The suspension is indefinite pending the outcome of criminal proceedings and disciplinary action by the ACT, which as soon as possible shall be informed by the AD or designee of the temporary suspension and meet to discuss the issue.

Now please pay attention to this next part....

- In cases where charges have not been filed, but reasonable evidence exists that a student-athlete may have committed a Category I violation (e.g., other specific and credible information exists such as arrest record, statements of law enforcement officers, University records, third-party or witness statements, or acknowledgement by the student-athlete), the ACT shall convene and determine preliminary action

Which is exactly what the ACT did and implemented the 2 game suspension. Should Strong be officially charged with felony assault charges, then the code and verbiage above dictates he be suspended indefinitely immediately.

Okay. That's a start. Thx.

So, you seem to admit that there is no such thing as conduct unbecoming a Griz athlete. Correct?

Okay. "Bringing pride to the team." Pretty vague, but that is a possibility.

I don't believe there are enough pubilcly known facts to support some of the specifics you cited. First, the injury didn't occur at a house party. It occurred outside and away from the party some amount of time later. If in fact 2 people hit the guy, then it may not be clear who or what caused the injury.

If the facts were to support that he broke up a fight at the house party, and later defended himself outside the party--and I am not saying they do or will--then much of your bad citizen argument goes away.

On the Category I violation, when there are no charges, then I believe the proper interpretation is that the committee needs to have determined that the charges are likely and perhaps even felony charges. I wouldn't interpret "may have" to mean "could conceivable have". I can't see that level of confidence in the publicly known info, but the committee would have access to more info than is public. Something is keeping the Pullman authorities from charging Strong, or others. I think that lack of evidence and conflicting evidence is preventing charges at this time. That could change over time. It could also be that the cop is a relative rookie, a year or so on the job, and, according to a Facebook link someone sent me, a young white woman. Perhaps her superiors lack confidence in her, or she didn't get something right. Have not clue; just surmising. Also, acting and analyzing like a lawyer, and impersonating a criminal defense lawyer. Another complication could be that criminal defense lawyers are pushing for the WSU guy to be charged for what he did at the party.

I see notice that suggests or requires a two-game suspension, focusing on the two part.

I still don't see anything that requires either action by the committee at this point, or two games of suspension. As I have previously said, I believe there is enough for a suspension at this time, based on the vague and general language of the code, or perhaps otherwise.

I was more objecting to your saying there is some requirement to avoid conduct unbecoming (that isn't in the code), and not agreeing the code required this action, as some have said.

Again, thanks for laying out backup for your views. That's what I was wanting all along. I suppose that you were just too narcissistic to understand what I was asking for.

." It could also be that the cop is a relative rookie, a year or so on the job, and, according to a Facebook link someone sent me, a young white woman. Perhaps her superiors lack confidence in her, or she didn't get something right. "



So.are you a racist or just a sexist? I'm confused why you think her color and gender would matter......or are you claiming the Pullman people are?

 

[PlayerRep]

I'm not confused. I just want you to back up your statements with quotes from the code. I have looked at the code many times. Now, since you made some assertions, you should read the code and cull out and quote what supports what you said. Here is what you said:

"Regardless he went against the code of conduct by simply being at a house party and getting in a fight. That alone is behavior unbecoming of a Griz athlete that each sign a contract on. That is why he got a 2 game suspension."

Where does it say that being at a party and getting in a fight is a violation? Do you think he got in a fight in the house? Do you think defending oneself constitutes a fight?

Where is "unbecoming of a Griz athlete" in the code, or what do you think is the equivalent?

Where does the code say that what Strong did, or what you think he did, results in a two-game suspension?

Again, you made the statements. You said it was in the code. Now, show us where you think it's in the code. If you can show us where this stuff is in the code, that would be great. We will then all have learned something.

Trying to argue with a lawyer who is full of himself and is a completely narcissistic ass hat is already a losing battle, but I'll bite....

Directly from the code:

- It is expected, therefore, that you will conduct yourself in a manner that brings pride to your team, the department, the campus, and the community. In general, the University expects you to train and strive for athletic excellence, to demonstrate academic honesty and integrity, to respect your fellow students and athletes, and to conduct yourself as a responsible citizen

So on this first point, am I to assume that getting arrested, booked, and released on a $50,000 bond for a felony assault after fracturing a skull at a house party is bringing pride to the team, the campus, and the community? No, strike one. Was he conducting himself as a responsible citizen? No, strike two. To answer your question, I think his direct actions are the equivalent of actions and behaviors unbecoming of a Griz athlete.

Also directly from the code:

- Violations of University policies and procedures, whether or not criminal charges are filed, may also affect your ability to participate in the University’s intercollegiate athletic program

That statement allows the ACT committee to suspend a student athlete regardless of charges being formally filed, which is exactly what has happened and I think are justified and warranted.


They get further ability to suspend or take action from the following, also directly from the code:


A. CategoryIViolation
A Category I violation occurs in any situation where an individual:
 Is charged with a felony and, in looking at the totality of the circumstances, it is
reasonable to believe the person committed the act (e.g., rape, sexual assault, other felony assault, felony theft, felony DUI, etc.).
o Preliminary Action: The Athletic Director or his/her designee shall take preliminary action to temporarily suspend a student-athlete from participation in practice, competition, and/or access to athletic department services when a student-athlete has been charged with a felony. The suspension is indefinite pending the outcome of criminal proceedings and disciplinary action by the ACT, which as soon as possible shall be informed by the AD or designee of the temporary suspension and meet to discuss the issue.

Now please pay attention to this next part....

- In cases where charges have not been filed, but reasonable evidence exists that a student-athlete may have committed a Category I violation (e.g., other specific and credible information exists such as arrest record, statements of law enforcement officers, University records, third-party or witness statements, or acknowledgement by the student-athlete), the ACT shall convene and determine preliminary action

Which is exactly what the ACT did and implemented the 2 game suspension. Should Strong be officially charged with felony assault charges, then the code and verbiage above dictates he be suspended indefinitely immediately.

Okay. That's a start. Thx.

So, you seem to admit that there is no such thing as conduct unbecoming a Griz athlete. Correct?

Okay. "Bringing pride to the team." Pretty vague, but that is a possibility.

I don't believe there are enough pubilcly known facts to support some of the specifics you cited. First, the injury didn't occur at a house party. It occurred outside and away from the party some amount of time later. If in fact 2 people hit the guy, then it may not be clear who or what caused the injury.

If the facts were to support that he broke up a fight at the house party, and later defended himself outside the party--and I am not saying they do or will--then much of your bad citizen argument goes away.

On the Category I violation, when there are no charges, then I believe the proper interpretation is that the committee needs to have determined that the charges are likely and perhaps even felony charges. I wouldn't interpret "may have" to mean "could conceivable have". I can't see that level of confidence in the publicly known info, but the committee would have access to more info than is public. Something is keeping the Pullman authorities from charging Strong, or others. I think that lack of evidence and conflicting evidence is preventing charges at this time. That could change over time. It could also be that the cop is a relative rookie, a year or so on the job, and, according to a Facebook link someone sent me, a young white woman. Perhaps her superiors lack confidence in her, or she didn't get something right. Have not clue; just surmising. Also, acting and analyzing like a lawyer, and impersonating a criminal defense lawyer. Another complication could be that criminal defense lawyers are pushing for the WSU guy to be charged for what he did at the party.

I see notice that suggests or requires a two-game suspension, focusing on the two part.

I still don't see anything that requires either action by the committee at this point, or two games of suspension. As I have previously said, I believe there is enough for a suspension at this time, based on the vague and general language of the code, or perhaps otherwise.

I was more objecting to your saying there is some requirement to avoid conduct unbecoming (that isn't in the code), and not agreeing the code required this action, as some have said.

Again, thanks for laying out backup for your views. That's what I was wanting all along. I suppose that you were just too narcissistic to understand what I was asking for.

." It could also be that the cop is a relative rookie, a year or so on the job, and, according to a Facebook link someone sent me, a young white woman. Perhaps her superiors lack confidence in her, or she didn't get something right. "



So.are you a racist or just a sexist? I'm confused why you think her color and gender would matter......or are you claiming the Pullman people are?

Is it now racist to say that a cop is a young white woman with one year of experience? If so, didn't know that. Thought those things were facts.

Do you think that most blacks feel that white cops take good care of them? That's not been my experience. Try googling and see what you find.

Do you think people with one of experience in anything are as good as people with lots more experience? I don't. See the play of redshirt frosh qb's thrust into the role of starting qb. I can assure you that first year lawyers in my firm, are not asked to cover important subjects, work, and clients by themselves.

"On the broader question of overall race relations in American society, the overwhelming majority (92%) of white officers say the U.S. has made the changes needed to give blacks equal rights with whites; just 29% of black officers agree. The general public is divided along racial lines on this question, too, but not as much as police officers: About six-in-ten whites (57%) say the country has made the changes needed to bring about equal rights for blacks, compared with just 12% of blacks."

 

[PlayerRep]

I'm not confused. I just want you to back up your statements with quotes from the code. I have looked at the code many times. Now, since you made some assertions, you should read the code and cull out and quote what supports what you said. Here is what you said:

"Regardless he went against the code of conduct by simply being at a house party and getting in a fight. That alone is behavior unbecoming of a Griz athlete that each sign a contract on. That is why he got a 2 game suspension."

Where does it say that being at a party and getting in a fight is a violation? Do you think he got in a fight in the house? Do you think defending oneself constitutes a fight?

Where is "unbecoming of a Griz athlete" in the code, or what do you think is the equivalent?

Where does the code say that what Strong did, or what you think he did, results in a two-game suspension?

Again, you made the statements. You said it was in the code. Now, show us where you think it's in the code. If you can show us where this stuff is in the code, that would be great. We will then all have learned something.

Trying to argue with a lawyer who is full of himself and is a completely narcissistic ass hat is already a losing battle, but I'll bite....

Directly from the code:

- It is expected, therefore, that you will conduct yourself in a manner that brings pride to your team, the department, the campus, and the community. In general, the University expects you to train and strive for athletic excellence, to demonstrate academic honesty and integrity, to respect your fellow students and athletes, and to conduct yourself as a responsible citizen

So on this first point, am I to assume that getting arrested, booked, and released on a $50,000 bond for a felony assault after fracturing a skull at a house party is bringing pride to the team, the campus, and the community? No, strike one. Was he conducting himself as a responsible citizen? No, strike two. To answer your question, I think his direct actions are the equivalent of actions and behaviors unbecoming of a Griz athlete.

Also directly from the code:

- Violations of University policies and procedures, whether or not criminal charges are filed, may also affect your ability to participate in the University’s intercollegiate athletic program

That statement allows the ACT committee to suspend a student athlete regardless of charges being formally filed, which is exactly what has happened and I think are justified and warranted.


They get further ability to suspend or take action from the following, also directly from the code:


A. CategoryIViolation
A Category I violation occurs in any situation where an individual:
 Is charged with a felony and, in looking at the totality of the circumstances, it is
reasonable to believe the person committed the act (e.g., rape, sexual assault, other felony assault, felony theft, felony DUI, etc.).
o Preliminary Action: The Athletic Director or his/her designee shall take preliminary action to temporarily suspend a student-athlete from participation in practice, competition, and/or access to athletic department services when a student-athlete has been charged with a felony. The suspension is indefinite pending the outcome of criminal proceedings and disciplinary action by the ACT, which as soon as possible shall be informed by the AD or designee of the temporary suspension and meet to discuss the issue.

Now please pay attention to this next part....

- In cases where charges have not been filed, but reasonable evidence exists that a student-athlete may have committed a Category I violation (e.g., other specific and credible information exists such as arrest record, statements of law enforcement officers, University records, third-party or witness statements, or acknowledgement by the student-athlete), the ACT shall convene and determine preliminary action

Which is exactly what the ACT did and implemented the 2 game suspension. Should Strong be officially charged with felony assault charges, then the code and verbiage above dictates he be suspended indefinitely immediately.

Okay. That's a start. Thx.

So, you seem to admit that there is no such thing as conduct unbecoming a Griz athlete. Correct?

Okay. "Bringing pride to the team." Pretty vague, but that is a possibility.

I don't believe there are enough pubilcly known facts to support some of the specifics you cited. First, the injury didn't occur at a house party. It occurred outside and away from the party some amount of time later. If in fact 2 people hit the guy, then it may not be clear who or what caused the injury.

If the facts were to support that he broke up a fight at the house party, and later defended himself outside the party--and I am not saying they do or will--then much of your bad citizen argument goes away.

On the Category I violation, when there are no charges, then I believe the proper interpretation is that the committee needs to have determined that the charges are likely and perhaps even felony charges. I wouldn't interpret "may have" to mean "could conceivable have". I can't see that level of confidence in the publicly known info, but the committee would have access to more info than is public. Something is keeping the Pullman authorities from charging Strong, or others. I think that lack of evidence and conflicting evidence is preventing charges at this time. That could change over time. It could also be that the cop is a relative rookie, a year or so on the job, and, according to a Facebook link someone sent me, a young white woman. Perhaps her superiors lack confidence in her, or she didn't get something right. Have not clue; just surmising. Also, acting and analyzing like a lawyer, and impersonating a criminal defense lawyer. Another complication could be that criminal defense lawyers are pushing for the WSU guy to be charged for what he did at the party.

I see notice that suggests or requires a two-game suspension, focusing on the two part.

I still don't see anything that requires either action by the committee at this point, or two games of suspension. As I have previously said, I believe there is enough for a suspension at this time, based on the vague and general language of the code, or perhaps otherwise.

I was more objecting to your saying there is some requirement to avoid conduct unbecoming (that isn't in the code), and not agreeing the code required this action, as some have said.

Again, thanks for laying out backup for your views. That's what I was wanting all along. I suppose that you were just too narcissistic to understand what I was asking for.

." It could also be that the cop is a relative rookie, a year or so on the job, and, according to a Facebook link someone sent me, a young white woman. Perhaps her superiors lack confidence in her, or she didn't get something right. "



So.are you a racist or just a sexist? I'm confused why you think her color and gender would matter......or are you claiming the Pullman people are?

And, what I actually think is that you are so ignorant about race, that you may be considered to be racist. I am a person of color, and I don't like white guys like yourself telling me about prejudice and racism. I know what it is, and have experienced it. You don't.

 

[AZDoc]

Trying to argue with a lawyer who is full of himself and is a completely narcissistic ass hat is already a losing battle, but I'll bite....

Directly from the code:

- It is expected, therefore, that you will conduct yourself in a manner that brings pride to your team, the department, the campus, and the community. In general, the University expects you to train and strive for athletic excellence, to demonstrate academic honesty and integrity, to respect your fellow students and athletes, and to conduct yourself as a responsible citizen

So on this first point, am I to assume that getting arrested, booked, and released on a $50,000 bond for a felony assault after fracturing a skull at a house party is bringing pride to the team, the campus, and the community? No, strike one. Was he conducting himself as a responsible citizen? No, strike two. To answer your question, I think his direct actions are the equivalent of actions and behaviors unbecoming of a Griz athlete.

Also directly from the code:

- Violations of University policies and procedures, whether or not criminal charges are filed, may also affect your ability to participate in the University’s intercollegiate athletic program

That statement allows the ACT committee to suspend a student athlete regardless of charges being formally filed, which is exactly what has happened and I think are justified and warranted.


They get further ability to suspend or take action from the following, also directly from the code:


A. CategoryIViolation
A Category I violation occurs in any situation where an individual:
 Is charged with a felony and, in looking at the totality of the circumstances, it is
reasonable to believe the person committed the act (e.g., rape, sexual assault, other felony assault, felony theft, felony DUI, etc.).
o Preliminary Action: The Athletic Director or his/her designee shall take preliminary action to temporarily suspend a student-athlete from participation in practice, competition, and/or access to athletic department services when a student-athlete has been charged with a felony. The suspension is indefinite pending the outcome of criminal proceedings and disciplinary action by the ACT, which as soon as possible shall be informed by the AD or designee of the temporary suspension and meet to discuss the issue.

Now please pay attention to this next part....

- In cases where charges have not been filed, but reasonable evidence exists that a student-athlete may have committed a Category I violation (e.g., other specific and credible information exists such as arrest record, statements of law enforcement officers, University records, third-party or witness statements, or acknowledgement by the student-athlete), the ACT shall convene and determine preliminary action

Which is exactly what the ACT did and implemented the 2 game suspension. Should Strong be officially charged with felony assault charges, then the code and verbiage above dictates he be suspended indefinitely immediately.

Okay. That's a start. Thx.

So, you seem to admit that there is no such thing as conduct unbecoming a Griz athlete. Correct?

Okay. "Bringing pride to the team." Pretty vague, but that is a possibility.

I don't believe there are enough pubilcly known facts to support some of the specifics you cited. First, the injury didn't occur at a house party. It occurred outside and away from the party some amount of time later. If in fact 2 people hit the guy, then it may not be clear who or what caused the injury.

If the facts were to support that he broke up a fight at the house party, and later defended himself outside the party--and I am not saying they do or will--then much of your bad citizen argument goes away.

On the Category I violation, when there are no charges, then I believe the proper interpretation is that the committee needs to have determined that the charges are likely and perhaps even felony charges. I wouldn't interpret "may have" to mean "could conceivable have". I can't see that level of confidence in the publicly known info, but the committee would have access to more info than is public. Something is keeping the Pullman authorities from charging Strong, or others. I think that lack of evidence and conflicting evidence is preventing charges at this time. That could change over time. It could also be that the cop is a relative rookie, a year or so on the job, and, according to a Facebook link someone sent me, a young white woman. Perhaps her superiors lack confidence in her, or she didn't get something right. Have not clue; just surmising. Also, acting and analyzing like a lawyer, and impersonating a criminal defense lawyer. Another complication could be that criminal defense lawyers are pushing for the WSU guy to be charged for what he did at the party.

I see notice that suggests or requires a two-game suspension, focusing on the two part.

I still don't see anything that requires either action by the committee at this point, or two games of suspension. As I have previously said, I believe there is enough for a suspension at this time, based on the vague and general language of the code, or perhaps otherwise.

I was more objecting to your saying there is some requirement to avoid conduct unbecoming (that isn't in the code), and not agreeing the code required this action, as some have said.

Again, thanks for laying out backup for your views. That's what I was wanting all along. I suppose that you were just too narcissistic to understand what I was asking for.

." It could also be that the cop is a relative rookie, a year or so on the job, and, according to a Facebook link someone sent me, a young white woman. Perhaps her superiors lack confidence in her, or she didn't get something right. "



So.are you a racist or just a sexist? I'm confused why you think her color and gender would matter......or are you claiming the Pullman people are?

And, what I actually think is that you are so ignorant about race, that you may be considered to be racist. I am a person of color, and I don't like white guys like yourself telling me about prejudice and racism. I know what it is, and have experienced it. You don't.

Black athletes, white female officers, native american lawyers...doesn't matter...race/sex aside, the situation is a huge crap sandwich, distraction, and leading to a bunch of pissed off people on here playing grab ass. I guess all we know is that we know nothing about when it'll be done. Most everything else is just guessing at this point. The Griz have a HUGE game on Saturday that could make or break the season. I will be watching, screaming, and hopefully celebrating a big fat W saturday evening.

 

[tnt]

It may be both Racist and sexist to say it, but I think there is a reasonable expectation as to how a young white female cop in a University town is going to react to a football player in any situation let alone how she reacts to a black athlete with young white man laying on the ground with a fractured skull. Stereotypes while wrong in everyway have an association (No association is NOT causation)

 

[Ursus1]

Trying to argue with a lawyer who is full of himself and is a completely narcissistic ass hat is already a losing battle, but I'll bite....

Directly from the code:

- It is expected, therefore, that you will conduct yourself in a manner that brings pride to your team, the department, the campus, and the community. In general, the University expects you to train and strive for athletic excellence, to demonstrate academic honesty and integrity, to respect your fellow students and athletes, and to conduct yourself as a responsible citizen

So on this first point, am I to assume that getting arrested, booked, and released on a $50,000 bond for a felony assault after fracturing a skull at a house party is bringing pride to the team, the campus, and the community? No, strike one. Was he conducting himself as a responsible citizen? No, strike two. To answer your question, I think his direct actions are the equivalent of actions and behaviors unbecoming of a Griz athlete.

Also directly from the code:

- Violations of University policies and procedures, whether or not criminal charges are filed, may also affect your ability to participate in the University’s intercollegiate athletic program

That statement allows the ACT committee to suspend a student athlete regardless of charges being formally filed, which is exactly what has happened and I think are justified and warranted.


They get further ability to suspend or take action from the following, also directly from the code:


A. CategoryIViolation
A Category I violation occurs in any situation where an individual:
 Is charged with a felony and, in looking at the totality of the circumstances, it is
reasonable to believe the person committed the act (e.g., rape, sexual assault, other felony assault, felony theft, felony DUI, etc.).
o Preliminary Action: The Athletic Director or his/her designee shall take preliminary action to temporarily suspend a student-athlete from participation in practice, competition, and/or access to athletic department services when a student-athlete has been charged with a felony. The suspension is indefinite pending the outcome of criminal proceedings and disciplinary action by the ACT, which as soon as possible shall be informed by the AD or designee of the temporary suspension and meet to discuss the issue.

Now please pay attention to this next part....

- In cases where charges have not been filed, but reasonable evidence exists that a student-athlete may have committed a Category I violation (e.g., other specific and credible information exists such as arrest record, statements of law enforcement officers, University records, third-party or witness statements, or acknowledgement by the student-athlete), the ACT shall convene and determine preliminary action

Which is exactly what the ACT did and implemented the 2 game suspension. Should Strong be officially charged with felony assault charges, then the code and verbiage above dictates he be suspended indefinitely immediately.

Okay. That's a start. Thx.

So, you seem to admit that there is no such thing as conduct unbecoming a Griz athlete. Correct?

Okay. "Bringing pride to the team." Pretty vague, but that is a possibility.

I don't believe there are enough pubilcly known facts to support some of the specifics you cited. First, the injury didn't occur at a house party. It occurred outside and away from the party some amount of time later. If in fact 2 people hit the guy, then it may not be clear who or what caused the injury.

If the facts were to support that he broke up a fight at the house party, and later defended himself outside the party--and I am not saying they do or will--then much of your bad citizen argument goes away.

On the Category I violation, when there are no charges, then I believe the proper interpretation is that the committee needs to have determined that the charges are likely and perhaps even felony charges. I wouldn't interpret "may have" to mean "could conceivable have". I can't see that level of confidence in the publicly known info, but the committee would have access to more info than is public. Something is keeping the Pullman authorities from charging Strong, or others. I think that lack of evidence and conflicting evidence is preventing charges at this time. That could change over time. It could also be that the cop is a relative rookie, a year or so on the job, and, according to a Facebook link someone sent me, a young white woman. Perhaps her superiors lack confidence in her, or she didn't get something right. Have not clue; just surmising. Also, acting and analyzing like a lawyer, and impersonating a criminal defense lawyer. Another complication could be that criminal defense lawyers are pushing for the WSU guy to be charged for what he did at the party.

I see notice that suggests or requires a two-game suspension, focusing on the two part.

I still don't see anything that requires either action by the committee at this point, or two games of suspension. As I have previously said, I believe there is enough for a suspension at this time, based on the vague and general language of the code, or perhaps otherwise.

I was more objecting to your saying there is some requirement to avoid conduct unbecoming (that isn't in the code), and not agreeing the code required this action, as some have said.

Again, thanks for laying out backup for your views. That's what I was wanting all along. I suppose that you were just too narcissistic to understand what I was asking for.

." It could also be that the cop is a relative rookie, a year or so on the job, and, according to a Facebook link someone sent me, a young white woman. Perhaps her superiors lack confidence in her, or she didn't get something right. "



So.are you a racist or just a sexist? I'm confused why you think her color and gender would matter......or are you claiming the Pullman people are?

And, what I actually think is that you are so ignorant about race, that you may be considered to be racist. I am a person of color, and I don't like white guys like yourself telling me about prejudice and racism. I know what it is, and have experienced it. You don't.

1. I am not a racist by a long shot....but you referring to me as one of those "white guys" sure says a lot about you in that area for sure....


2. You used color and gender to describe the officer thus playing the race/sex card. It was purposeful to list those two "facts"..... too bad you do not know her religion, sexual orientation etc to use them too. You have never seen me use gender or color in my evaluations of people....I will leave playing race/sex card to you, I will respect that officer regardless of her gender, color etc. In my eyes it is s person in blue trying to keep us safe from crime

 

[Mousegriz]

Okay. That's a start. Thx.

So, you seem to admit that there is no such thing as conduct unbecoming a Griz athlete. Correct?

Okay. "Bringing pride to the team." Pretty vague, but that is a possibility.

I don't believe there are enough pubilcly known facts to support some of the specifics you cited. First, the injury didn't occur at a house party. It occurred outside and away from the party some amount of time later. If in fact 2 people hit the guy, then it may not be clear who or what caused the injury.

If the facts were to support that he broke up a fight at the house party, and later defended himself outside the party--and I am not saying they do or will--then much of your bad citizen argument goes away.

On the Category I violation, when there are no charges, then I believe the proper interpretation is that the committee needs to have determined that the charges are likely and perhaps even felony charges. I wouldn't interpret "may have" to mean "could conceivable have". I can't see that level of confidence in the publicly known info, but the committee would have access to more info than is public. Something is keeping the Pullman authorities from charging Strong, or others. I think that lack of evidence and conflicting evidence is preventing charges at this time. That could change over time. It could also be that the cop is a relative rookie, a year or so on the job, and, according to a Facebook link someone sent me, a young white woman. Perhaps her superiors lack confidence in her, or she didn't get something right. Have not clue; just surmising. Also, acting and analyzing like a lawyer, and impersonating a criminal defense lawyer. Another complication could be that criminal defense lawyers are pushing for the WSU guy to be charged for what he did at the party.

I see notice that suggests or requires a two-game suspension, focusing on the two part.

I still don't see anything that requires either action by the committee at this point, or two games of suspension. As I have previously said, I believe there is enough for a suspension at this time, based on the vague and general language of the code, or perhaps otherwise.

I was more objecting to your saying there is some requirement to avoid conduct unbecoming (that isn't in the code), and not agreeing the code required this action, as some have said.

Again, thanks for laying out backup for your views. That's what I was wanting all along. I suppose that you were just too narcissistic to understand what I was asking for.

." It could also be that the cop is a relative rookie, a year or so on the job, and, according to a Facebook link someone sent me, a young white woman. Perhaps her superiors lack confidence in her, or she didn't get something right. "



So.are you a racist or just a sexist? I'm confused why you think her color and gender would matter......or are you claiming the Pullman people are?

And, what I actually think is that you are so ignorant about race, that you may be considered to be racist. I am a person of color, and I don't like white guys like yourself telling me about prejudice and racism. I know what it is, and have experienced it. You don't.

1. I am not a racist by a long shot....but you referring to me as one of those "white guys" sure says a lot about you in that area for sure....


2. You used color and gender to describe the officer thus playing the race/sex card. It was purposeful to list those two "facts"..... too bad you do not know her religion, sexual orientation etc to use them too. You have never seen me use gender or color in my evaluations of people....I will leave playing race/sex card to you, I will respect that officer regardless of her gender, color etc. In my eyes it is s person in blue trying to keep us safe from crime

"Don't like white guys like yourself"....words mean a lot to PR!

 

[retiredpopo]

Not sure how many officers they have in Pullman but my guess is being a College town and doing a quick check of the police blotter on the date and time of the call regarding Strong they had several officers show up.

Again just guessing but if this is like most city pd's the responding officers all do reports and on serious crimes a detective will be assigned the case to do the follow up investigation and prepare the case for the county attorney's office (substitute city attorney, district attorney etc depending how various jurisdiction operate).

So judging by how many different officer names I saw on the blotter and knowing that usually on a call like this several officers show up. Again just guessing but I would say 5 or 6 officers did reports and talked to as many people as they could at the time. They complete reports and the assigned detective has to sort the information and put the report together so it is presentable.

Without a doubt there will be some questions that the detective needs answered and officers all have different schedules and days off etc so sometimes it takes a while to get all the facts gathered and the report in order to present to the county attorney. Also looking at the blotter there is a fair amount of activity and some serious crimes so the detectives and the prosecuting attorneys most likely have a fairly heavy case load.....

I do know from my life's experiences, the race that is most screwed up and apt to commit crimes and do bad and/or stupid things is the human race. The good news is fortunately most people are born good by nature regardless of who their parents are and what teams they root for.

 

[PlayerRep]

." It could also be that the cop is a relative rookie, a year or so on the job, and, according to a Facebook link someone sent me, a young white woman. Perhaps her superiors lack confidence in her, or she didn't get something right. "



So.are you a racist or just a sexist? I'm confused why you think her color and gender would matter......or are you claiming the Pullman people are?

And, what I actually think is that you are so ignorant about race, that you may be considered to be racist. I am a person of color, and I don't like white guys like yourself telling me about prejudice and racism. I know what it is, and have experienced it. You don't.

1. I am not a racist by a long shot....but you referring to me as one of those "white guys" sure says a lot about you in that area for sure....


2. You used color and gender to describe the officer thus playing the race/sex card. It was purposeful to list those two "facts"..... too bad you do not know her religion, sexual orientation etc to use them too. You have never seen me use gender or color in my evaluations of people....I will leave playing race/sex card to you, I will respect that officer regardless of her gender, color etc. In my eyes it is s person in blue trying to keep us safe from crime

"Don't like white guys like yourself"....words mean a lot to PR!

I consider it racist for non-people of color, especially white guys, to tell me what racism is and what I should know, do or say, or not say, about racism. I never was too excited about you two, but now I know this about you. Words and people not being prejudiced, or racist, do mean a lot to me. Keep it up guys. I like to see you digging your holes deeper on this subject.

Ursus, I think you probably have racist tendencies, based on what you have said. It is very typical for racists to claim that they aren't. They don't know any better.

I wonder how many people who refer to "playing the race card" are racist. I'd say a high percentage.

And, Mouse, the full quote is: " I don't like white guys like yourself telling me about prejudice and racism."

 

[Tacoma5]

This thread took a left turn into bat shit crazy. Thanks for the entertainment PR..

 

[Ursus1]

Player you are wrong, again, about me being racist....you have no clue. But one thing is for certain, I could care less what color you are (green, black, pink, brown, white or even purple) and still think you are an arrogant, narcissistic ass who won't admit when he misspoke. Sometimes admitting you are wrong and apologizing is the sign of a better man who isn't repressing some feelings of inadequacies and fears people will see the real person. Take a look at thread after thread where so many point out the arrogance/narcissism....it is not just me by a long shot. Learn and grow as a person. Knowledge and self confidence do not need to be turned into narcissism and arrogance. It is okay to be wrong once a awhile, we won't dislike you...in fact we will respect you more for being a strong enough person to admit it.

Now if you think I have been racist toward you or anyone ever...I apologize if I said something that was misinterpreted as racist, because that would never have been the intent.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

...and this thread quickly became what Krakauer and Abramson tapped danced around while UM gains traction with misandry faculty...in a football forum no less! Look at your butch bitch misandrist faculty and then try and figure out why the kids who pay their salaries are not coming here! They have tenure and the boy toy students they "serve" will shine!

Get this crap out of a football forum.

 

[grizghost]

..aren't all white people racist ...aren't they born that way?..a least that's what a lot of professors tell us!

 

[bearister]

Regardless he went against the code of conduct by simply being at a house party and getting in a fight. That alone is behavior unbecoming of a Griz athlete that each sign a contract on. That is why he got a 2 game suspension. Nothing less and nothing more at this point. Should he get charged he will be removed from the team as per the code.

Where is "behavior unbecoming to a Griz athlete" in the code?

Jesus. I agree with much of what you have written on this board in the past couple of days, but do you always have to play the semantics game? Obviously that exact verbiage is not in the conduct code but it was an incident that brought embarrassment to the team, and that is in the conduct code.

Where is "embarrassment" in the code? It isn't a semantics game, as I think you mean semantics.
However, here is the definition of semantics"

"he branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning. There are a number of branches and subbranches of semantics, including formal semantics, which studies the logical aspects of meaning, such as sense, reference, implication, and logical form, lexical semantics, which studies word meanings and word relations, and conceptual semantics, which studies the cognitive structure of meaning. the meaning of a word, phrase, sentence, or text."

I believe in words and the meaning of words. Whether in statutes. Statements. A message board. I studied and read words in high school, college and law school. I read and care about words everyday in my professional life. Whether writing $100,000 agreements or Billion dollar agreements, words matter, and words matter to me. I suspect that words matter to Mueller and to Manafort and his lawyers. Words matter in the documents that Mueller received and seized from Manafort. Sorry, words are not just semantics, in a non-meaningful way.

Words aren't magic. They are symbols used to express meaning. The speaker is usually assumed to use words according to their ordinarily accepted meaning, but sometimes context, history, and other factors can come into play in determine what the words mean. While some cases may be close to the margins, I don't see how anyone can argue that the conduct alleged against Strong, if true, brings discredit on Griz athletics. If he's charged and convicted of a felony, all other arguments are moot, since the code provides a specific punishment for conviction of a felony: expulsion from the team. If he's not charged, the two game suspension seems proportional to the lack of thought and awareness Strong showed in the incident. In any event, the impending end to the season means it will all be over from the football perspective within a couple of months. We all should just let the process play itself out.

 

[PlayerRep]

Where is "behavior unbecoming to a Griz athlete" in the code?

Jesus. I agree with much of what you have written on this board in the past couple of days, but do you always have to play the semantics game? Obviously that exact verbiage is not in the conduct code but it was an incident that brought embarrassment to the team, and that is in the conduct code.

Where is "embarrassment" in the code? It isn't a semantics game, as I think you mean semantics.
However, here is the definition of semantics"

"he branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning. There are a number of branches and subbranches of semantics, including formal semantics, which studies the logical aspects of meaning, such as sense, reference, implication, and logical form, lexical semantics, which studies word meanings and word relations, and conceptual semantics, which studies the cognitive structure of meaning. the meaning of a word, phrase, sentence, or text."

I believe in words and the meaning of words. Whether in statutes. Statements. A message board. I studied and read words in high school, college and law school. I read and care about words everyday in my professional life. Whether writing $100,000 agreements or Billion dollar agreements, words matter, and words matter to me. I suspect that words matter to Mueller and to Manafort and his lawyers. Words matter in the documents that Mueller received and seized from Manafort. Sorry, words are not just semantics, in a non-meaningful way.

Words aren't magic. They are symbols used to express meaning. The speaker is usually assumed to use words according to their ordinarily accepted meaning, but sometimes context, history, and other factors can come into play in determine what the words mean. While some cases may be close to the margins, I don't see how anyone can argue that the conduct alleged against Strong, if true, brings discredit on Griz athletics. If he's charged and convicted of a felony, all other arguments are moot, since the code provides a specific punishment for conviction of a felony: expulsion from the team. If he's not charged, the two game suspension seems proportional to the lack of thought and awareness Strong showed in the incident. In any event, the impending end to the season means it will all be over from the football perspective within a couple of months. We all should just let the process play itself out.

I agree generally. But, as I have said, there is nothing about "conduct unbecoming to a Griz athlete" in the code, and nothing in the code the "requires" the committee to suspend for 2 games at this point. These were things that some posters had said. There is enough general language in the code to allow the committee to take the action it did. I still find the 2-game suspension at this point to be an odd approach. On the other hand, perhaps that will allow Strong to play against UNC if he is not charged by then, or is charged with only a misdemeanor. If charged with a felony, I assume he will be done for the season, as it will probably not be possible to resolve the felony charge or get it reduced before the end of the season.

I hope his family has enough money to have hired a good attorney to be helping him on this. That would probably make a big difference. Note that only UM boosters would not be permitted to do the work pro bono, to my knowledge.

 

[retiredpopo]

He has a brother in the NFL. Not sure family dynamics but he has a brother and a sister going to school in Pullman so probably has some family support.....he most likely will need it.

 

[PlayerRep]

Player you are wrong, again, about me being racist....you have no clue. But one thing is for certain, I could care less what color you are (green, black, pink, brown, white or even purple) and still think you are an arrogant, narcissistic ass who won't admit when he misspoke. Sometimes admitting you are wrong and apologizing is the sign of a better man who isn't repressing some feelings of inadequacies and fears people will see the real person. Take a look at thread after thread where so many point out the arrogance/narcissism....it is not just me by a long shot. Learn and grow as a person. Knowledge and self confidence do not need to be turned into narcissism and arrogance. It is okay to be wrong once a awhile, we won't dislike you...in fact we will respect you more for being a strong enough person to admit it.

Now if you think I have been racist toward you or anyone ever...I apologize if I said something that was misinterpreted as racist, because that would never have been the intent.

Look, you are the one who called me racist and sexist for saying the cop was a "young white woman". That was all I said.

You then kept it up in later posts, and started talking about "playing the race card", denying that you were racist, and then listing a bunch of colors ("green, black, pink, brown, white or even purple"). I have found there to be fairly high correlation to prejudiced or racist people when they say things the things you said. So, you just kept digging your hole with me.

You then follow that up with calling me narcissistic and arrogant.

I will give you a bit of advice. Be careful who you call a racist, and never be so dumb to call anyone a racist for saying someone is a "young white woman". Don't try to tell people of color about what racism is and isn't. I can assure you that won't go over well with them, especially one you don't know.

And, saying someone is a white guy or a black guy is not racist in any respect.

And, if you don't want me coming at you, or calling your a racist, then maybe you should think about what you say/post and whether you want to continue with your name-calling directed at me. You've caught my attention, and I'm tired of your BS.