Strong

[Gametime]

It doesn’t help Strong’s self defense case that he took off after hitting the guy and left him lying on the ground. Makes him look guilty.

 

[PlayerRep]

You may be right on the gone part, but if no charges are brought or the charge is dropped to a misdemeanor, then he wouldn't be kicked off the team under the athletic code, I don't believe. Big IF's.

He should be booted. I'm a little surprised it hasn't happened yet.

Why would you boot someone who hasn't even been charged with anything? Don't think the athletic code would even permit that.

The police report alone is dam damming.

Only the portion provided by 2 Friends of the WSU guy. Not Strong’s. Probably not what the other 2 witnesses will say. How can you be so stupid and naive? You need to wait for all of the witnesses and facts.

What if it turns out the guy doesn’t have a fractured skull? Or that a shot put hit him in the head at practice?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Nothing like those decades of ISU thugs, right? That was downright institutionally encouraged thuggery. I can't believe they even fielded a team with some of those guys. smh

Whatever CDA. Put your head in the sand. I don't think you wanna compare thugs.

Hell no, I don't! The bail 'em out Bengals over decades definitely take the BSC crown when it comes to that.

Okay champ.

I wouldn't go that far just yet. I'm gunning for that reserved club champ parking space at the club next June, though. Ugh! I've drawn the ball all my life, but this course has most of the trouble on the left. I've been working on a full-release fade for a few months, and while it has taken a lot of time to get used to aiming left and bleeding it right, I've found much less trouble. I'm basically trying to eliminate the left side. If I can get the putter to come around over the winter months, I have a shot to string together three rounds to maybe scare medalist honors in June. It doesn't take amazing scores to do it because the tips are over 7000 at sea level and the greens are 12+ for the tourney. I'm thinking +2 to +4 total could do it. Thanks for your support, bro!

 

[behappp]

and having three guys chase him down. Self defense? really?

It’s open for speculation whether the guy was threatening at all to Strong. What is certain is that Strong hit the guy at least twice.

Could Strong and others have walked away after the guy ran and been "safe" with no fear of personal safety (or called 911 if were in fear)? If the answer is yes (even if not the manly or likely thing a college football player would do) he was not acting in self defense and initiated the final event by chasing him.....that likely is enough for charges and due to injuries suffered I would say is felony level.

Nope. You are not correct. What happened in the seconds before Strong’s punch is what will decide self defense. You obviously know less about the law than football. And that is saying something.

You're a lawyer and I'm not. But for me, the toughest part to defend would be the second punch, after a guy is already on the ground.
I would think that with the conflicting stories and the severity of the injury, that it will be decided in a courtroom, which means it is the end of Strong's Griz career.

Also it would make sense to me that Stitt talks to the team and Haslam to the press as it appears that it what is happening so far .

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

Not excusing Strong's behavior, but damn... some of you are acting pretty high and mighty.

It is awfully awfully hard to walk away from someone who sucker punches you and roughs you up. If we are being honest with ourselves, who can honestly say they would have just walked away?

Also, let's remember the alleged assault happened outside at 2 AM. If you are running after a guy and he turns around at you in the dark or even street light, I could see that as someone seeing that as an aggressive movement, or as Strong described it, a balled up fist. May or may not have also influenced what people witnessed. Maybe why you have some variances in people's stories? Maybe not...

Hard to speculate on what happened. It's just very unfortunate that it did happen. I'm hoping that the kid in the hospital makes a full recovery and that Strong is treated fairly.

 

[CFallsGriz]

He should be booted. I'm a little surprised it hasn't happened yet.

Why would you boot someone who hasn't even been charged with anything? Don't think the athletic code would even permit that.

The police report alone is dam damming.

Nothing like those decades of ISU thugs, right? That was downright institutionally encouraged thuggery. I can't believe they even fielded a team with some of those guys. smh

HTF did you even know he was an ISU fan? I've been on here for a decade and don't recall a Bengal rah-rah post. What, are you keeping notes on here? :clap:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Why would you boot someone who hasn't even been charged with anything? Don't think the athletic code would even permit that.

The police report alone is dam damming.

Nothing like those decades of ISU thugs, right? That was downright institutionally encouraged thuggery. I can't believe they even fielded a team with some of those guys. smh

HTF did you even know he was an ISU fan? I've been on here for a decade and don't recall a Bengal rah-rah post. What, are you keeping notes on here? :clap:

He's pretty obvious. Pops up when ISU has a chance in a Griz game, and in times like this. He won't deny it.

 

[Ursus1]

and having three guys chase him down. Self defense? really?

It’s open for speculation whether the guy was threatening at all to Strong. What is certain is that Strong hit the guy at least twice.

Could Strong and others have walked away after the guy ran and been "safe" with no fear of personal safety (or called 911 if were in fear)? If the answer is yes (even if not the manly or likely thing a college football player would do) he was not acting in self defense and initiated the final event by chasing him.....that likely is enough for charges and due to injuries suffered I would say is felony level.

Nope. You are not correct. What happened in the seconds before Strong’s punch is what will decide self defense. You obviously know less about the law than football. And that is saying something.

Question.....how it was an "unprovoked attack" if he was chasing the guy? Isn't that a part of a self defense claim? Had he not chased the guy it would not have occurred.

 

[Plainsman]

It’s open for speculation whether the guy was threatening at all to Strong. What is certain is that Strong hit the guy at least twice.

Could Strong and others have walked away after the guy ran and been "safe" with no fear of personal safety (or called 911 if were in fear)? If the answer is yes (even if not the manly or likely thing a college football player would do) he was not acting in self defense and initiated the final event by chasing him.....that likely is enough for charges and due to injuries suffered I would say is felony level.

Nope. You are not correct. What happened in the seconds before Strong’s punch is what will decide self defense. You obviously know less about the law than football. And that is saying something.

Question.....how it was an "unprovoked attack" if he was chasing the guy? Isn't that a part of a self defense claim? Had he not chased the guy it would not have occurred.

Under Ursus's assumptions, I believe Ursus has you there PR. If Strong could have remained at the house and not have had to defend himself there further against the kid, he likely would have been safe from attack. If (and this fact is yet to be conclusively established, it appears) he pursued and confronted the kid, he could be seen to have become the aggressor and self defense then becomes a much tougher sell. Time and further investigation will tell. For my bona fides, in the distant past, I worked as a criminal defense attorney for several years (yeah, scum of the earth - I've heard every lawyer joke known to man.)

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Not good...

While there are differences in testimony in here...seems like pretty good chance Strong and others chased the "victim" out of the house and down the street. Self Defense?

This whole thing sucks.

Yes, if the guy stopped, turned back at them, put up his fists, acted threatening, and was a big guy.

I have never experienced a man be so scared that he runs from something or someone..than decides to stop and just put his hands up....

I do not buy that is what actually happened.

Also wondering about the dreads...Strongs brother does not have dread, at least according to the team website.
None of our players from Washington currently have dreads according to the team website.

The affidavit of one of the witnesses said he was running away and they reached the corner of Lybecker and NE Stadium Way when Meyring turned around and put his hands up. They could've had him cornered in and he was exhausted from running. People that don't run on a regular basis do get tired especially when you have a D1 cornerback chasing you...

We should not jump to conclusions, and the "facts" are muddy. It appears Meyring had been aggressive before fleeing and may have been drinking himself (blood work will likely show his BAC), so him acting erratically and turning to confront his pursuers is not an extraordinary proposition. Before leaving the house, it seems, he was winning the fight(s) and he could have decided fighting was better than running. I hope Meyring recovers but I will await more facts before concluding who is the "victim" here.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l3U09uI3zE

 

[Ursus1]

Could Strong and others have walked away after the guy ran and been "safe" with no fear of personal safety (or called 911 if were in fear)? If the answer is yes (even if not the manly or likely thing a college football player would do) he was not acting in self defense and initiated the final event by chasing him.....that likely is enough for charges and due to injuries suffered I would say is felony level.

Nope. You are not correct. What happened in the seconds before Strong’s punch is what will decide self defense. You obviously know less about the law than football. And that is saying something.

Question.....how it was an "unprovoked attack" if he was chasing the guy? Isn't that a part of a self defense claim? Had he not chased the guy it would not have occurred.

Under Ursus's assumptions, I believe Ursus has you there PR. If Strong could have remained at the house and not have had to defend himself there further against the kid, he likely would have been safe from attack. If (and this fact is yet to be conclusively established, it appears) he pursued and confronted the kid, he could be seen to have become the aggressor and self defense then becomes a much tougher sell. Time and further investigation will tell. For my bona fides, in the distant past, I worked as a criminal defense attorney for several years (yeah, scum of the earth - I've heard every lawyer joke known to man.)

Guess I am not as stupid as PR suggests and thst with my assumptions on place some one who knows about law sees my point.....but regardless I will bet PR's ego would never admit I was on to something.

 

[Boscoe]

I see on this weeks depth chart, that was released just a few hours ago, Strong is still listed as the starting free safety.

 

[PlayerRep]

It’s open for speculation whether the guy was threatening at all to Strong. What is certain is that Strong hit the guy at least twice.

Could Strong and others have walked away after the guy ran and been "safe" with no fear of personal safety (or called 911 if were in fear)? If the answer is yes (even if not the manly or likely thing a college football player would do) he was not acting in self defense and initiated the final event by chasing him.....that likely is enough for charges and due to injuries suffered I would say is felony level.

Nope. You are not correct. What happened in the seconds before Strong’s punch is what will decide self defense. You obviously know less about the law than football. And that is saying something.

You're a lawyer and I'm not. But for me, the toughest part to defend would be the second punch, after a guy is already on the ground.
I would think that with the conflicting stories and the severity of the injury, that it will be decided in a courtroom, which means it is the end of Strong's Griz career.

Also it would make sense to me that Stitt talks to the team and Haslam to the press as it appears that it what is happening so far .

Yup. Second punch not a good fact.

 

[PlayerRep]

It’s open for speculation whether the guy was threatening at all to Strong. What is certain is that Strong hit the guy at least twice.

Could Strong and others have walked away after the guy ran and been "safe" with no fear of personal safety (or called 911 if were in fear)? If the answer is yes (even if not the manly or likely thing a college football player would do) he was not acting in self defense and initiated the final event by chasing him.....that likely is enough for charges and due to injuries suffered I would say is felony level.

Nope. You are not correct. What happened in the seconds before Strong’s punch is what will decide self defense. You obviously know less about the law than football. And that is saying something.

Question.....how it was an "unprovoked attack" if he was chasing the guy? Isn't that a part of a self defense claim? Had he not chased the guy it would not have occurred.

Who said anything about an unprovoked attack? What are you talking about?

Self-defense is something different than an unprovoked attack.

 

[PlayerRep]

Could Strong and others have walked away after the guy ran and been "safe" with no fear of personal safety (or called 911 if were in fear)? If the answer is yes (even if not the manly or likely thing a college football player would do) he was not acting in self defense and initiated the final event by chasing him.....that likely is enough for charges and due to injuries suffered I would say is felony level.

Nope. You are not correct. What happened in the seconds before Strong’s punch is what will decide self defense. You obviously know less about the law than football. And that is saying something.

Question.....how it was an "unprovoked attack" if he was chasing the guy? Isn't that a part of a self defense claim? Had he not chased the guy it would not have occurred.

Under Ursus's assumptions, I believe Ursus has you there PR. If Strong could have remained at the house and not have had to defend himself there further against the kid, he likely would have been safe from attack. If (and this fact is yet to be conclusively established, it appears) he pursued and confronted the kid, he could be seen to have become the aggressor and self defense then becomes a much tougher sell. Time and further investigation will tell. For my bona fides, in the distant past, I worked as a criminal defense attorney for several years (yeah, scum of the earth - I've heard every lawyer joke known to man.)

Nope. You are completely wrong. There is no duty not to chase someone who had hit you. Jeez, how dumb can you be? If you were ever a defense attorney, I can see why they ran you out of the job. The crucial time and facts are what occurred right before Strong hit him. Was the guy threatening or was he not threatening?

If the guy had his hands or his fists up, why didn't he protect himself. It was one punch. How does a smaller guy, who is not a boxer, land a punch against a heavier guy with his hands/fists up, and knock him down with one punch? Doesn't make sense. I understand how a sucker punch can take someone down.

 

[Boscoe]

Justin wasn’t chasing him to fight him, he was just gonna give him a stern talking to. Lol

 

[PlayerRep]

Nope. You are not correct. What happened in the seconds before Strong’s punch is what will decide self defense. You obviously know less about the law than football. And that is saying something.

Question.....how it was an "unprovoked attack" if he was chasing the guy? Isn't that a part of a self defense claim? Had he not chased the guy it would not have occurred.

Under Ursus's assumptions, I believe Ursus has you there PR. If Strong could have remained at the house and not have had to defend himself there further against the kid, he likely would have been safe from attack. If (and this fact is yet to be conclusively established, it appears) he pursued and confronted the kid, he could be seen to have become the aggressor and self defense then becomes a much tougher sell. Time and further investigation will tell. For my bona fides, in the distant past, I worked as a criminal defense attorney for several years (yeah, scum of the earth - I've heard every lawyer joke known to man.)

Guess I am not as stupid as PR suggests and thst with my assumptions on place some one who knows about law sees my point.....but regardless I will bet PR's ego would never admit I was on to something.

It's because Plainsman is even more stupid than you. What he said made zero sense, and is just plain wrong.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Could Strong and others have walked away after the guy ran and been "safe" with no fear of personal safety (or called 911 if were in fear)? If the answer is yes (even if not the manly or likely thing a college football player would do) he was not acting in self defense and initiated the final event by chasing him.....that likely is enough for charges and due to injuries suffered I would say is felony level.

Nope. You are not correct. What happened in the seconds before Strong’s punch is what will decide self defense. You obviously know less about the law than football. And that is saying something.

You're a lawyer and I'm not. But for me, the toughest part to defend would be the second punch, after a guy is already on the ground.
I would think that with the conflicting stories and the severity of the injury, that it will be decided in a courtroom, which means it is the end of Strong's Griz career.

Also it would make sense to me that Stitt talks to the team and Haslam to the press as it appears that it what is happening so far .

Yup. Second punch not a good fact.

Truth. But we don't know (1) if he was trying to get up, how fast he was getting up, (2) if he was getting up, how was he acting, and (3) what, if anything, he said he was going to do when he got up. Use of reasonable force as a defense should not be ruled out, even if an aggressor had been knocked to the ground. Need to know more facts.

 

[Ursus1]

Could Strong and others have walked away after the guy ran and been "safe" with no fear of personal safety (or called 911 if were in fear)? If the answer is yes (even if not the manly or likely thing a college football player would do) he was not acting in self defense and initiated the final event by chasing him.....that likely is enough for charges and due to injuries suffered I would say is felony level.

Nope. You are not correct. What happened in the seconds before Strong’s punch is what will decide self defense. You obviously know less about the law than football. And that is saying something.

Question.....how it was an "unprovoked attack" if he was chasing the guy? Isn't that a part of a self defense claim? Had he not chased the guy it would not have occurred.

Who said anything about an unprovoked attack? What are you talking about?

Self-defense is something different than an unprovoked attack.

Doesn't a self defense claim have requirements....being an unprovoked attack as one of them.