Strong or Sanders

[SaskGriz]

If you mean a debate among fans and armchair QB's, that's fine. If you mean amongst the coaches, I promise you it's not a debate. But don't take my word for it, look at the two-deep, or ask Semore yourself. He'll tell you.

You also said Gustafson would get drafted in the NFL. Your opinion on evaluating talent doesn't hold much merit. I think Strong is the better player, Sanders isn't bad either but a little over-rated on this board. Lots of solid depth at this position which is a nice change from a few years back when this was one of our biggest weaknesses.

If Sanders is a little over-rated on this board then he is over-rated as well by the BSC coaches. Maybe that is because all the BSC coaches read this board and form their opinions from the insight put forth here, but probably not. G-Bears you are right about having the depth where we used to lack it, it's a great problem to have, and you can never have too many sure tackling safeties against that nightmare of an option from Cal-Poly.

 

[G-BEARS]

Still not convinced by Sanders, his side-to-side movement is a touch slow. Get's caught ball watching. I think that going forward, once Strong is back, Sandry and Strong should be the starters. Probably won't happen, but until Sanders proves to make less mistakes than them I'd stick with Sandry/Strong. Strong/Sandry seem to always be around the ball. Sanders seems to be more likely to give up a big play for a touchdown than the other two in my opinion. What I like about the situation though is that if the coaching staff does end up with a similar opinion I have full confidence they will make the change. This coaching staff does not seem to put as much weight into seniority as previous and other coaching staffs do, and do a pretty good job of playing the more talented players based on ability and not age/experience.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Strong -- and its not even close.

 

[GrizUp]

Yamen has given up 3 TD's in 2 games. He's consistently out of position, and finds himself getting flat-out beat by inferior athletes. I think he's the victim of the Jadeveon Clowney effect...one big hit (against EWU last year), and people all of a sudden recognize him and his measurables, without looking at any of the previous tape.
Do you guys think it's a coincidence that Sandry had more tackles in his first 2 starts than Yamen did? The Bigfork kid has a nose for the ball and finds himself making tackles when it counts. Not saying he hasn't been burned for some TD's either, but that's to be expected from a RS Freshman, not a pre-season all Big Sky senior.

 

[George Ferguson]

Yamen has given up 3 TD's in 2 games. He's consistently out of position, and finds himself getting flat-out beat by inferior athletes. I think he's the victim of the Jadeveon Clowney effect...one big hit (against EWU last year), and people all of a sudden recognize him and his measurables, without looking at any of the previous tape.
Do you guys think it's a coincidence that Sandry had more tackles in his first 2 starts than Yamen did? The Bigfork kid has a nose for the ball and finds himself making tackles when it counts. Not saying he hasn't been burned for some TD's either, but that's to be expected from a RS Freshman, not a pre-season all Big Sky senior.

Are you saying Sandry has more tackles than Yamen because he's from Bigfork? I don't really get what difference it makes where he's from. All Griz are Griz, and all are Missoulians while they're here. Not to mention, you seem very supportive of Justin Strong, and he's not from Bigfork, or Montana. Just not really sure why it matters where they're from.

Also, since it seems Montana-born is so important to you, maybe you'd be interested to know that it is indeed a coach, from MONTANA, that is setting the lineup for the safeties, and Semore trusts that coach, who is from MONTANA, and played for the Griz, to make the right calls on starters and subs. So, is that Montana-born coach and Griz' legend wrong?

 

[G-BEARS]

Yamen has given up 3 TD's in 2 games. He's consistently out of position, and finds himself getting flat-out beat by inferior athletes. I think he's the victim of the Jadeveon Clowney effect...one big hit (against EWU last year), and people all of a sudden recognize him and his measurables, without looking at any of the previous tape.
Do you guys think it's a coincidence that Sandry had more tackles in his first 2 starts than Yamen did? The Bigfork kid has a nose for the ball and finds himself making tackles when it counts. Not saying he hasn't been burned for some TD's either, but that's to be expected from a RS Freshman, not a pre-season all Big Sky senior.

Are you saying Sandry has more tackles than Yamen because he's from Bigfork? I don't really get what difference it makes where he's from. All Griz are Griz, and all are Missoulians while they're here. Not to mention, you seem very supportive of Justin Strong, and he's not from Bigfork, or Montana. Just not really sure why it matters where they're from.

Also, since it seems Montana-born is so important to you, maybe you'd be interested to know that it is indeed a coach, from MONTANA, that is setting the lineup for the safeties, and Semore trusts that coach, who is from MONTANA, and played for the Griz, to make the right calls on starters and subs. So, is that Montana-born coach and Griz' legend wrong?

Weird post. Please don't ruin this thread by making strange and off-base accusations.

 

[George Ferguson]

Sentences that end wit question marks aren't accusationd, they're called questions. Grammar 101. And my questions weren't directed at you otherwise I would have quoted one of your posts.

 

[Fahque]

Sentences that end wit question marks aren't accusationd, they're called questions. Grammar 101. And my questions weren't directed at you otherwise I would have quoted one of your posts.

Hav, I don't think anyone is saying that Sanders flat out sucks. You can't deny his play thus far has been a little rusty though. His preseason accolades mean nothing more than a recognition of how well he played last year. Last year. So far this year his play hasn't lived up to the hype. Hopefully it is just just because he had to sit out the first couple of weeks with an injury and he'll be back to his normal self soon. To attack others for pointing this out and using his preseason accolades to back up your argument is a little bobcatish, no?

 

[GrizUp]

Yamen has given up 3 TD's in 2 games. He's consistently out of position, and finds himself getting flat-out beat by inferior athletes. I think he's the victim of the Jadeveon Clowney effect...one big hit (against EWU last year), and people all of a sudden recognize him and his measurables, without looking at any of the previous tape.
Do you guys think it's a coincidence that Sandry had more tackles in his first 2 starts than Yamen did? The Bigfork kid has a nose for the ball and finds himself making tackles when it counts. Not saying he hasn't been burned for some TD's either, but that's to be expected from a RS Freshman, not a pre-season all Big Sky senior.

Are you saying Sandry has more tackles than Yamen because he's from Bigfork? I don't really get what difference it makes where he's from. All Griz are Griz, and all are Missoulians while they're here. Not to mention, you seem very supportive of Justin Strong, and he's not from Bigfork, or Montana. Just not really sure why it matters where they're from.

Also, since it seems Montana-born is so important to you, maybe you'd be interested to know that it is indeed a coach, from MONTANA, that is setting the lineup for the safeties, and Semore trusts that coach, who is from MONTANA, and played for the Griz, to make the right calls on starters and subs. So, is that Montana-born coach and Griz' legend wrong?

I think you really took the comment of "Bigfork kid" way out of context. Being from Montana, it's not uncommon to mention where someone is from, especially if they hail from a small town, like Bigfork. I don't give two shits where these guys are from, just that they make plays when they're asked to. I appreciate guys who make plays when it counts, ex: Sandry & Strong from the safety position. Are you really going to argue that after Sanders and Sandry's first two starts, that Yamen has outplayed him? I don't see it that way at all.
Again, not sure what set you off on a Montana coach and player tangent, but if that's the only point you got out of my post, that's on you.

 

[Chet_Ripley]

Y. Sanders has not played well at all. Sandry should be starting and getting the bulk of the snaps. Just my $0.02. Just so Hav doesn't go off, I don't care that he's a MT kid, and yes Shann knows more than I.

 

[grizcountry420]

Y. Sanders has not played well at all. Sandry should be starting and getting the bulk of the snaps. Just my $0.02. Just so Hav doesn't go off, I don't care that he's a MT kid, and yes Shann knows more than I.

:lol:

 

[NativeGriz]

Yamen has given up 3 TD's in 2 games. He's consistently out of position, and finds himself getting flat-out beat by inferior athletes. I think he's the victim of the Jadeveon Clowney effect...one big hit (against EWU last year), and people all of a sudden recognize him and his measurables, without looking at any of the previous tape.
Do you guys think it's a coincidence that Sandry had more tackles in his first 2 starts than Yamen did? The Bigfork kid has a nose for the ball and finds himself making tackles when it counts. Not saying he hasn't been burned for some TD's either, but that's to be expected from a RS Freshman, not a pre-season all Big Sky senior.

Are you saying Sandry has more tackles than Yamen because he's from Bigfork? I don't really get what difference it makes where he's from. All Griz are Griz, and all are Missoulians while they're here. Not to mention, you seem very supportive of Justin Strong, and he's not from Bigfork, or Montana. Just not really sure why it matters where they're from.

Also, since it seems Montana-born is so important to you, maybe you'd be interested to know that it is indeed a coach, from MONTANA, that is setting the lineup for the safeties, and Semore trusts that coach, who is from MONTANA, and played for the Griz, to make the right calls on starters and subs. So, is that Montana-born coach and Griz' legend wrong?

I don't see where it says he should play "because" he is from Big Fork. He simply made what I considered to be a balanced observation.

 

[brewskis]

We lose to UNI without Strong, plain and simple. He's a hell of a safety and the best we've had since Shann.


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[CV Griz Fan]

After years of having zero safety talent you guys argue about the three decent players that the Griz now have. Jez....Sanders seems like he is still trying to get healthy. Sandry is young....They'll both be starting due to the Strong suspension. Let's see how it goes. If Sanders gets healthy and begins to play better, I'm still for a Strong/ Sanders tandem because of experience.Sandry is the future....

 

[Diesel]

Sander's must not totally healthy, poor angles are probably due to getting up to game speed, I like Sanders, but CP game when he had a bead on Garcia(much smaller than Sander's) and Garcia plowed him over that was ugly and good indication of playing when less than healthy. Good seeing him getting reps, we will need him later. Strong #1 safety so far, Sandry #2 so far, Sander's has ability to be the best. Like Sandry being a team player when Sanders is getting reps. Good group, three and four man rotation at safety has been great asset to team. We need them all. Sandry has been a great addition good size, playmaker, surprised at his speed for a big kid, big upside. Pretty good pair of thumpers when Sanders and Sandry are together on the field, their height may have an impact as they get more reps this year.

Would like to see this D with a substantial lead, allowing safeties to play a little deeper with ball in front of them.

 

[Grisly Fan]

I had reservations about Y. Sanders last year and so when I got the chance to see him in person at homecoming I watched his play very closely. I have a personal rule about not saying negative things about players so really the only thing I have to say is he has good size for a safety.

 

[grizcountry420]

After years of having zero safety talent you guys argue about the three decent players that the Griz now have. Jez....Sanders seems like he is still trying to get healthy. Sandry is young....They'll both be starting due to the Strong suspension. Let's see how it goes. If Sanders gets healthy and begins to play better, I'm still for a Strong/ Sanders tandem because of experience.Sandry is the future....

 

[reinell30]

After years of having zero safety talent you guys argue about the three decent players that the Griz now have. Jez....Sanders seems like he is still trying to get healthy. Sandry is young....They'll both be starting due to the Strong suspension. Let's see how it goes. If Sanders gets healthy and begins to play better, I'm still for a Strong/ Sanders tandem because of experience.Sandry is the future....

Didn't we have a great safety named Jimmy Wilson, I guess I don't understand the comment, years of having zero talent....

 

[brewskis]

After years of having zero safety talent you guys argue about the three decent players that the Griz now have. Jez....Sanders seems like he is still trying to get healthy. Sandry is young....They'll both be starting due to the Strong suspension. Let's see how it goes. If Sanders gets healthy and begins to play better, I'm still for a Strong/ Sanders tandem because of experience.Sandry is the future....

I wouldn't sleep on Williams and Gavin Crow either. Williams had multiple interceptions this spring, and has been making some plays this fall. Just a redshirt freshman as well, id look to see him and Josh develop some chemistry there in the secondary and be a major force in the coming years.


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[grizcountry420]

After years of having zero safety talent you guys argue about the three decent players that the Griz now have. Jez....Sanders seems like he is still trying to get healthy. Sandry is young....They'll both be starting due to the Strong suspension. Let's see how it goes. If Sanders gets healthy and begins to play better, I'm still for a Strong/ Sanders tandem because of experience.Sandry is the future....

Didn't we have a great safety named Jimmy Wilson, I guess I don't understand the comment, years of having zero talent....

i get what you are saying but that was 5 years ago