Stitt's Salary...

[kyle_sample]

Rob actually might have received $30,000 for media, I'm having a hard time remembering.....however I have a hard time believing he received $124,000 in incentives in 2013 for a team that didn't make the playoffs and only won 7 games and didn't beat any FBS teams or any FCS teams that made it to the playoffs that year or the year prior....unless you're including his Black Bull membership, even then that's a massive stretch. I covered that team and had a copy of his contract.

Yes Stitt's incentives are specified and they are all public record, however the academic results, except team GPA, have not been released. There is no information on APR yet.

Colter Nuanez reported this as follows, direct quote, although I did not take the link:

With each incentive achieved a year ago, Ash earned $298,538 in the last fiscal year. The maximum Ash can earn if he achieves each and every one of his bonuses is $446,038.

On another thread, I walked through Stitt's current contract, this is an adjusted version of that calculation:

Walking through the 2015 contract year:

Base pay: $175,000
Auto: $6,000
Camps: $45,000
Media: $40,000
Athletic Products: 0
Consulting: 0
Grade Incentive: 3,000
APR: 0
Graduation rate: 5,000
APR O/2: 1,000
Season att: 5,000
UM/GSA: 15,000
Coach of the Year: 0
Defeat FCS qualifier: 5,000
Defeat FBS: 0
10 wins: 0
Qualify for playoff: 5,000
Advance to 2nd round:2,5000

Total contract compensation, 2015: $307,500.

Camps are estimated from settlement claims by Robin Pflugrad, probably higher now
Media contracts based on Hauck's media contract amounts, probably higher now.
Don't know about "consulting" income, and don't know about athletic product endorsements so those are entered as "$0."

The "camps" are generally larger than the number I used. In the past, these have generated between $50,000 and $75,000. For a program like UM, they can be quite lucrative for the Coach. Robin Pflugrad's demand, based on the three fourths of the year remaining under his contract, for lost incentives and income, was over $100,000, so there is nothing far-fetched about my estimate, and it is likely low-balling it.

Unenumerated benefits, such as "health insurance" and other benefits provided, do not have monetary values assigned in the contract, even though they have monetary value as "income."

In his contract it doesn't specify Media obligation nor camp payments. I'm reading through it now and there is nothing listed for either of those, so I don't know where those amounts came from. Not saying he doesn't get paid that, just that the amounts are not listed in the contract

 

[AZGrizFan]

Rob actually might have received $30,000 for media, I'm having a hard time remembering.....however I have a hard time believing he received $124,000 in incentives in 2013 for a team that didn't make the playoffs and only won 7 games and didn't beat any FBS teams or any FCS teams that made it to the playoffs that year or the year prior....unless you're including his Black Bull membership, even then that's a massive stretch. I covered that team and had a copy of his contract.

Yes Stitt's incentives are specified and they are all public record, however the academic results, except team GPA, have not been released. There is no information on APR yet.

Colter Nuanez reported this as follows, direct quote, although I did not take the link:

With each incentive achieved a year ago, Ash earned $298,538 in the last fiscal year. The maximum Ash can earn if he achieves each and every one of his bonuses is $446,038.

On another thread, I walked through Stitt's current contract, this is an adjusted version of that calculation:

Walking through the 2015 contract year:

Base pay: $175,000
Auto: $6,000
Camps: $45,000
Media: $40,000
Athletic Products: 0
Consulting: 0
Grade Incentive: 3,000
APR: 0
Graduation rate: 5,000
APR O/2: 1,000
Season att: 5,000
UM/GSA: 15,000
Coach of the Year: 0
Defeat FCS qualifier: 5,000
Defeat FBS: 0
10 wins: 0
Qualify for playoff: 5,000
Advance to 2nd round:2,5000

Total contract compensation, 2015: $307,500.

Camps are estimated from settlement claims by Robin Pflugrad, probably higher now
Media contracts based on Hauck's media contract amounts, probably higher now.
Don't know about "consulting" income, and don't know about athletic product endorsements so those are entered as "$0."

The "camps" are generally larger than the number I used. In the past, these have generated between $50,000 and $75,000. For a program like UM, they can be quite lucrative for the Coach. Robin Pflugrad's demand, based on the three fourths of the year remaining under his contract, for lost incentives and income, was over $100,000, so there is nothing far-fetched about my estimate, and it is likely low-balling it.

Unenumerated benefits, such as "health insurance" and other benefits provided, do not have monetary values assigned in the contract, even though they have monetary value as "income."

In his contract it doesn't specify Media obligation nor camp payments. I'm reading through it now and there is nothing listed for either of those, so I don't know where those amounts came from. Not saying he doesn't get paid that, just that the amounts are not listed in the contract

Part of '75's insider knowledge about all things UM-related.

Or, he just made them up. Could be.

 

[UMGriz75]

In his contract it doesn't specify Media obligation nor camp payments. I'm reading through it now and there is nothing listed for either of those, so I don't know where those amounts came from. Not saying he doesn't get paid that, just that the amounts are not listed in the contract

I specifically noted where those numbers "came from."

Camps are estimated from settlement claims by Robin Pflugrad, probably higher now
Media contracts based on Hauck's media contract amounts, probably higher now.
Don't know about "consulting" income, and don't know about athletic product endorsements so those are entered as "$0."
The "camps" are generally larger than the number I used. In the past, these have generated between $50,000 and $75,000.

Other than the base salary, the "camps" are typically the largest source of income for collegiate coaches -- the better known the program and/or coach, the bigger the payout, and are a jealously guarded perk for collegiate coaches. They are a big deal. Likewise, in the Missoula market, the "media contracts" are very lucrative. Probably less so in a glorified cow-town like Bozeman which is why Ash was also pitching hot tubs.

Moreover, the funds most typically do not go through the state payroll system and so are not subject to the regular deductions and PERS contributions, and are not reported anywhere in the athletic department budget. Although I think its a great way to provide a lucrative bonus to the coach and through him, his assistants, there's a lot of cash sloshing around there using college facilities for which the university bears virtually all the risk, and there's little accountability for it.

UM has seven such camps scheduled, mainly in June, at an average approximate cost of $100 per participant.

Ash was characterized as "owning" the camps under his contract at MSU. The UM coach is required to make an annual report to the President's office regarding camps, but that is never made a public record. You might ask for it, and make an FOI request if it is not readily provided.

 

[UMGriz75]

In his contract it doesn't specify Media obligation nor camp payments. I'm reading through it now and there is nothing listed for either of those, so I don't know where those amounts came from. Not saying he doesn't get paid that, just that the amounts are not listed in the contract

Comparing to a similar program, NDSU, Craig Bohl's 2012 contract there enumerated the camp and media contracts. There, the U handles those outside contracts and pays the coach a minimum guarantee; the actual payouts likely larger. There you can see reasonable ballpark figures for "camps" and media in a place like Fargo.

Contract base salary: $196,668 (also guaranteed $75,000 with media fee, speaking and camp)

Bohl’s incentives:
National title: $15,000
Conference title: $10,000
National runner-up: $10,000
Playoff host: $5,000 each (3 games)
3% ticket sales: $42,100

From that (2012) you might see why I think Stitt is grossly underpaid, and that by comparison with NDSU, the "incentives" for getting into playoffs and to national championships is so much higher than UM's relatively chintzy incentive system. Do incentives work? NDSU provides a case study.

 

[Umista]

OK, that last bunch of information from 75 makes me want to see coach Stitt get a raise.

I am now wanting to ask U of M to set up a "Protest For Stitt Raise" meeting. All Griz fans know our school is the champion of protest. While at it I should ask Engstrom to begin an official degree called Protest.
That degree alone (if we offered it) would bring in the 2,000 students he lost...

Me? I would not attempt to coach the Griz for three times what Stitt is paid.

 

[UMGriz75]

Finally found what I was looking for.

For the year 2014, UM coaches received $261,459.00 in "third party compensation."

Historically, those consist of the media contracts, camp revenues, endorsements, and outside speaking fees.

The only other significant coaching staff that gets those outside contracts (media and camps) is the basketball coaching staff. Camp revenue for basketball in 2010, the only detail year I can find, were just $3,700, for instance. In 2013, MSU received $351,327 for sport camp revenues, while UM shows just $50,758, but $328,634 in "third party support," whereas MSU shows nothing.

https://mus.edu/board/meetings/2014/Jan2014/athletics/2013%20MUS%20SUMMARY%20INCOME%20STATEMENT-By%20Campus.htm

Taking into account "accounting differences," and homogenizing UM with MSU which must be similar, just reporting differently, Stitt receives for camps and media, something on the order of $370,000 or so, which is similar overall to that reported by MSU. Stitt then pays assistant coaches out of that at his discretion.

I likely grossly underestimated the "sport camp revenue" seeing the numbers generated directly for that named income account for MSU.

 

[bgbigdog]

OK, that last bunch of information from 75 makes me want to see coach Stitt get a raise.

I am now wanting to ask U of M to set up a "Protest For Stitt Raise" meeting. All Griz fans know our school is the champion of protest. While at it I should ask Engstrom to begin an official degree called Protest.
That degree alone (if we offered it) would bring in the 2,000 students he lost...

Me? I would not attempt to coach the Griz for three times what Stitt is paid.

You think? Your yearly wine cellar budget is more than that. No way in hell you could make it on this much less.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

OK, that last bunch of information from 75 makes me want to see coach Stitt get a raise.

I am now wanting to ask U of M to set up a "Protest For Stitt Raise" meeting. All Griz fans know our school is the champion of protest. While at it I should ask Engstrom to begin an official degree called Protest.
That degree alone (if we offered it) would bring in the 2,000 students he lost...

Me? I would not attempt to coach the Griz for three times what Stitt is paid.

You better bet your ass they better go up after Stitt makes a couple deep runs in the playoffs, or he'll quickly leave. I would do the same. NDSU's coaches get paid, they hit all their incentives, and seem to have an extremely low rate of coaching turnover...Hmmmmm I wonder if they've figured it out?

 

[UMGriz75]

You better bet your ass they better go up after Stitt makes a couple deep runs in the playoffs, or he'll quickly leave.

Of course, if he made as little as you claimed when calling me a liar in capital letters, he likely wouldn't be here in the first place.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Finally found what I was looking for.

For the year 2014, UM coaches received $261,459.00 in "third party compensation."

Historically, those consist of the media contracts, camp revenues, endorsements, and outside speaking fees.

The only other significant coaching staff that gets those outside contracts (media and camps) is the basketball coaching staff. Camp revenue for basketball in 2010, the only detail year I can find, were just $3,700, for instance. In 2013, MSU received $351,327 for sport camp revenues, while UM shows just $50,758, but $328,634 in "third party support," whereas MSU shows nothing.

https://mus.edu/board/meetings/2014/Jan2014/athletics/2013%20MUS%20SUMMARY%20INCOME%20STATEMENT-By%20Campus.htm

Taking into account "accounting differences," and homogenizing UM with MSU which must be similar, just reporting differently, Stitt receives for camps and media, something on the order of $370,000 or so, which is similar overall to that reported by MSU. Stitt then pays assistant coaches out of that at his discretion.

I likely grossly underestimated the "sport camp revenue" seeing the numbers generated directly for that named income account for MSU.

Honest question: "UM Coaches"....who does that include and is it broken down by coach?

 

[KoolMoeDee]

That's showing $69,116 in revenue for football camps(listed as third party support).

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

You better bet your ass they better go up after Stitt makes a couple deep runs in the playoffs, or he'll quickly leave.

Of course, if he made as little as you claimed when calling me a liar in capital letters, he likely wouldn't be here in the first place.

Uhhhh I think you got the wrong guy bud?

 

[Ursa Major]

You better bet your ass they better go up after Stitt makes a couple deep runs in the playoffs, or he'll quickly leave.

Of course, if he made as little as you claimed when calling me a liar in capital letters, he likely wouldn't be here in the first place.

Uhhhh I think you got the wrong guy bud?

He's not your bud, guy!

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

You better bet your ass they better go up after Stitt makes a couple deep runs in the playoffs, or he'll quickly leave.

Of course, if he made as little as you claimed when calling me a liar in capital letters, he likely wouldn't be here in the first place.

Uhhhh I think you got the wrong guy bud?

He's not your bud, guy!

Im not your guy, friend.

 

[get'em_griz]

Of course, if he made as little as you claimed when calling me a liar in capital letters, he likely wouldn't be here in the first place.

Uhhhh I think you got the wrong guy bud?

He's not your bud, guy!

Im not your guy, friend.

Blame Canada.

 

[Umista]

I think it is time we put in a DEMAND making Stitt furnish Griz fans and the public his tax returns for every year. Only then will we know what the hell he is "making". This sound like a very important topic....perhaps Don Trump will disclose his tax returns at the same time. Me? I don't want anyone to know how little I make.
Bigdog, don't give my income information away!

 

[bgbigdog]

U, U, U... Anyone googling the Forbes 5 for Canada will see your picture and all the estimated earnings, options, awards, and cash compensation. I think they should have given you more options on the photo, but the wine glass on the desk was a nice touch IMO. Cheers.

 

[Umista]

BG, of course I read Forbes cover to cover and have not found my name. My wife is another story.

My wine cellar did have way to much volume and I was told by the Berringer wine family to drink the stuff and NOT store it. Most wine does not improve with age so that mith can be debunked. Further, most of the Canada wines are not up to the Cali standards so we take many cases of the US wine across the boarder and if you find yourself in BC you can drink some with us. And of course do some ocean fishing while you are at it.

Salary of Stitt? We may see the day we need to raise it to the $500,000 level. Let's hope!