Stitt's Ego/Inflexibility

[UMGriz75]

Stitt can not recruit any QB's better than what he already has because they are all the same blank slate and you just settle for whatever you get. Sure glad that EWU keeps settling for shit every year, I would hate to see them if they actually got the type of QB that they like to use in their system.

Wow. UM Quarterbacks are shit. :shock: So, it really is the player's fault? Nice bus you're driving there.

Go Griz!

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Stitt can not recruit any QB's better than what he already has because they are all the same blank slate and you just settle for whatever you get. Sure glad that EWU keeps settling for shit every year, I would hate to see them if they actually got the type of QB that they like to use in their system.

Wow. UM Quarterbacks are shit. :shock: So, it really is the player's fault? Nice bus you're driving there.

Go Griz!

Way to not quote the entire statement and then add you own commentary about what I was saying....and if the QB is not able to make the plays is it your fault, or my fault, or Brint's fault......nope, it is on Simis and his ability...his abilities just don't match with the offense...

 

[SoldierGriz]

These guys are really good with the quote function. I still can't figure it out. :lol:

 

[UMGriz75]

[You do realize that we can do nothing but assume what Stitt is looking for in a QB...because what we think he should be looking for in a QB doesn't mean shit....

Actually, this was the conversation:

Postby UMGriz75 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:29 pm

grizindabox wrote:
That is the case this season, but I am hoping more so because it is the QB's he inherited and will be different when there are QB's he recruited...

How?

And you could not answer.

 

[grizindabox]

[You do realize that we can do nothing but assume what Stitt is looking for in a QB...because what we think he should be looking for in a QB doesn't mean shit....

Actually, this was the conversation:

Postby UMGriz75 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:29 pm

grizindabox wrote:
That is the case this season, but I am hoping more so because it is the QB's he inherited and will be different when there are QB's he recruited...

How?

And you could not answer.

I can't specifically answer because I don't know what specifically Stitt looks for in a QB...but it has become apparent...and you have posted the stats...that the QB's that have played this year do not measure up to what his past QB's have been able to do....you can make your own assumption as to why that is...mine would be that at CSM he recruited the type of QB that fits what he is trying to do and that the QB's he inherited at UM don't fit what he is trying to do on offense...so benefit of the doubt would suggest that kids he recruits now would basically fit the type of QB he likes for running his offense.....see how that works....do you ever make a decision without running a spreadsheet first...or just know what you are looking for....

 

[MrTitleist]

I wonder how much in lost wages exists in this thread.

 

[grizindabox]

I wonder how much in lost wages exists in this thread.

Well assuming that 75 is unemployed.....quite a bit...

 

[UMGriz75]

.....nope, it is on Simis and his ability...his abilities just don't match with the offense...

Well that goes to the thread title, doesn't it?

The "offense" wasn't working well for Brady, every stat was getting worse in each successive game -- two losses in fact.

Simis then had a great game and beat Brady on every meaningful stat on Brady's best day. Then the downhill slide there also began and yet, for all the problems in the pouring rain at PSU, Makena's game stats were better than Dakota Prukop's at UND on the same day, also in the rain. His "abilities" aren't in question, or shouldn't be.

Chad Chalich's skillsets need to be part of this conversation. If only because a coach can't be complaining that he just doesn't have enough quarterbacks that can do what HE wants to do. That's kind of a fact of life, frankly. And Stitt may not being do that, just his hangers-on on these threads who claim to have him all figured out, what he's doing and going to do and then go deaf, blind and dumb when asked "oh, and what might that be?"

For any of us who have been coaches, hell, all my athletes could have been Olympic Gold Medalists if they had all met my exacting standards.

The work was a lot harder actually "coaching" them to exploit their own best qualities, and on a team, as Urban Meyer points out, to create the team culture of support and cohesion is a more important goal he now realizes than the basic talent skills. That's one reason they are called "coaches."

That's why I have taken a particular interest in the statistical analysis of what Stitt is doing, attempting to do, and how it is turning out. He's not a real communicator on details, and his acolytes here don't do him any favors at all; he likely does not deserve them.

Whining about "the talent" is a dead end. It rationalizes all failure, forever.

 

[UMGriz75]

Also to broach this gem of a post one last time....how in the world does EWU recruit QB's....seems that they are able to do OK with finding QB's that match what they want on a fairly steady basis...you can't tell me they don't get the kind of kid they want...

It is likely they seek out "fast, smart and mobile," and then coach them to success. It's not like the highest skill levels of high school QBs "want" to go Cheney; it is more likely that the coach adjusts to the talents of the QBs he has, rather than the QBs he wishes he had. Can't argue with that success. Well, YOU can. You have already lectured us on what Stitt's "looking for" -- oddly, then confessing you had no idea what it was.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Interesting subject to say the least. As for ego, I don't have a problem with any coach at this level having one. A strong ego is pretty important when it comes to coaching and is pretty prominent with the better coaches. Yes, Stitt very much believes in his system and way of doing business. Damn right, he should!!! Had he not sold himself the way he did, he would not have gotten the job.

As for inflexibility, as the season has progressed, he has become more versatile and flexible. There has been a lot he inherited (some for the better and some for the worse). He has tried a lot to overcome our shortcomings (a not so good OL and running game). He has rotated personnel on the OL and RB. He has tried running inside and outside. He has used bigger WR's more often and in closer to the line. Hell he has even had a few games where the running game has been surprisingly effective. He has adjusted his game plans toward each qb who has started this season. He has sacrificed his propensity to go for it as often as he did at 1st. Anyone labeling Stitt as inflexible surely has a different definition of it than I do.

If there were one thing I wish he would give on, it would be using Jones and Henderson in various ways to create more match up opportunities for them. I'd love to see each used all over, similar to how EWU utilizes Kupp to get him the ball successfully more often. Other than that, I am really hard pressed to honestly label Stitt as inflexible.

Whatever it is, the main problem with this team is the matter of not executing consistently. Why is that? I don't know. but it is not from being inflexible or an ego.

 

[grizindabox]

.....nope, it is on Simis and his ability...his abilities just don't match with the offense...

Well that goes to the thread title, doesn't it?

The "offense" wasn't working well for Brady, every stat was getting worse in each successive game -- two losses in fact.

Simis then had a great game and beat Brady on every meaningful stat on Brady's best day. Then the downhill slide there also began and yet, for all the problems in the pouring rain at PSU, Makena's game stats were better than Dakota Prukop's at UND on the same day, also in the rain. His "abilities" aren't in question, or shouldn't be.

Chad Chalich's skillsets need to be part of this conversation. If only because a coach can't be complaining that he just doesn't have enough quarterbacks that can do what HE wants to do. That's kind of a fact of life, frankly. And Stitt may not being do that, just his hangers-on on these threads who claim to have him all figured out, what he's doing and going to do and then go deaf, blind and dumb when asked "oh, and what might that be?"

For any of us who have been coaches, hell, all my athletes could have been Olympic Gold Medalists if they had all met my exacting standards.

The work was a lot harder actually "coaching" them to exploit their own best qualities, and on a team, as Urban Meyer points out, to create the team culture of support and cohesion is a more important goal he now realizes than the basic talent skills. That's one reason they are called "coaches."

That's why I have taken a particular interest in the statistical analysis of what Stitt is doing, attempting to do, and how it is turning out. He's not a real communicator on details, and his acolytes here don't do him any favors at all; he likely does not deserve them.

Whining about "the talent" is a dead end. It rationalizes all failure, forever.

Chalich and Gus don't fit the system well either....

Question for you...but like always you won't answer...where do you think the Griz QB position ranks in relation to the other BSC teams?

 

[grizindabox]

Also to broach this gem of a post one last time....how in the world does EWU recruit QB's....seems that they are able to do OK with finding QB's that match what they want on a fairly steady basis...you can't tell me they don't get the kind of kid they want...

It is likely they seek out "fast, smart and mobile," and then coach them to success. It's not like the highest skill levels of high school QBs "want" to go Cheney; it is more likely that the coach adjusts to the talents of the QBs he has, rather than the QBs he wishes he had. Can't argue with that success. Well, YOU can. You have already lectured us on what Stitt's "looking for" -- oddly, then confessing you had no idea what it was.

But they recruit QB's that fit into the system that EWU is running...you can't say the same about the QB's on the Griz roster...that is the point...I never once said that they get the perfect QB....or get the best QB...but they do get the best QB they can that fits into their system...I don't understand why that concept is so difficult for you to grasp..

 

[XxSpectrexX]

Keep in mind that he, like any coach has targeted some kids we won't get and will have to take what the good Lord offers us... but the difference is, they will at least have been identified as desirable by his program.

Which of the current players are not? All of them?

Do some of you guys think before you hit the "send" button. Thanks for supporting, you know, the team, the players, the kids out there busting their butts every day for the ingrates in the fan community.

This is fantasy. What players that have been recruited that would not be on the team? And ones that he would have recruited that chose to go elsewhere? He gets them ... how?

There's just a whole class of exceptional high school talent out there that UM somehow missed? That can fit "Stitt's strategy?" Who? How? Because so many high school coaches are coaching Stitt's strategy so he can pick the kids right out?

Don't be stupid for all your days... did Stitt recruit them? They are all quality players, however they may not fit the new schemes... lead a horse to water... still sniffs the mare's ass.

 

[FCSwatcher]

.....nope, it is on Simis and his ability...his abilities just don't match with the offense...

Well that goes to the thread title, doesn't it?

The "offense" wasn't working well for Brady, every stat was getting worse in each successive game -- two losses in fact.

Simis then had a great game and beat Brady on every meaningful stat on Brady's best day. Then the downhill slide there also began and yet, for all the problems in the pouring rain at PSU, Makena's game stats were better than Dakota Prukop's at UND on the same day, also in the rain. His "abilities" aren't in question, or shouldn't be.

Chad Chalich's skillsets need to be part of this conversation. If only because a coach can't be complaining that he just doesn't have enough quarterbacks that can do what HE wants to do. That's kind of a fact of life, frankly. And Stitt may not being do that, just his hangers-on on these threads who claim to have him all figured out, what he's doing and going to do and then go deaf, blind and dumb when asked "oh, and what might that be?"

For any of us who have been coaches, hell, all my athletes could have been Olympic Gold Medalists if they had all met my exacting standards.

The work was a lot harder actually "coaching" them to exploit their own best qualities, and on a team, as Urban Meyer points out, to create the team culture of support and cohesion is a more important goal he now realizes than the basic talent skills. That's one reason they are called "coaches."

That's why I have taken a particular interest in the statistical analysis of what Stitt is doing, attempting to do, and how it is turning out. He's not a real communicator on details, and his acolytes here don't do him any favors at all; he likely does not deserve them.

Whining about "the talent" is a dead end. It rationalizes all failure, forever.

Chalich and Gus don't fit the system well either....

Question for you...but like always you won't answer...where do you think the Griz QB position ranks in relation to the other BSC teams?

One step above UND

 

[UMGriz75]

Don't be stupid for all your days... did Stitt recruit them? They are all quality players, however they may not fit the new schemes... lead a horse to water... still sniffs the mare's ass.

This is the usual passing gas. "What kind of QB fits the new "schemes?" "Uh, the one who gets the new schemes."

That's really your answer isn't it. In other words, you don't know. Thanks for playing.

 

[UMGriz75]

But they recruit QB's that fit into the system that EWU is running...

And what kind of QB is that? I'll bet, looking at him in high school, somebody used the words "fast, smart and mobile."

Are you going to offer Your usual answer?

 

[UMGriz75]

If there were one thing I wish he would give on, it would be using Jones and Henderson in various ways to create more match up opportunities for them. I'd love to see each used all over, similar to how EWU utilizes Kupp to get him the ball successfully more often. Other than that, I am really hard pressed to honestly label Stitt as inflexible.

Jones and Henderson, here are some "stats."

In nine games this year, the two of them received to rush for an average of 16.0 yards, and between the two of them, per game, caught for 98 yards.

In the tenth game, they each received to then rush for an average of 35 and 38 yards, respectively, and between the two of them, 253 yards for the game.

The difference between those stats is "something."

If you asked them, who do you think Henderson and Jones want to receive from?

If they truly are two outstanding WR's, how do you set it up to repeat that singular performance and create the same kind of opportunities that EWU sets up for Cooper Kupp? Indeed, that UM itself set up and perfectly executed for its two talented WR's? Everyone saw for themselves what those two can truly do, but UM did that only once and then went back to the coach's preferred schemes.

 

[jodcon]

If there were one thing I wish he would give on, it would be using Jones and Henderson in various ways to create more match up opportunities for them. I'd love to see each used all over, similar to how EWU utilizes Kupp to get him the ball successfully more often. Other than that, I am really hard pressed to honestly label Stitt as inflexible.

Jones and Henderson, here are some "stats."

In nine games this year, the two of them received to rush for an average of 16.0 yards, and between the two of them, per game, caught for 98 yards.

In the tenth game, they each received to then rush for an average of 35 and 38 yards, respectively, and between the two of them, 253 yards for the game.

The difference between those stats is "something."

If you asked them, who do you think Henderson and Jones want to receive from?

If they truly are two outstanding WR's, how do you set it up to repeat that singular performance and create the same kind of opportunities that EWU sets up for Cooper Kupp? Indeed, that UM itself set up and perfectly executed for its two talented WR's, everyone saw for themselves what those two can truly do, but UM did that only once and then went back to the coach's preferred schemes?

So you're saying that Stitt set up the perfect scheme for UND and then went to bad schemes for the next two games and that is why their production dropped off?

They actually have about 140 YPG backing out the UND game, but I get your drift.

 

[UMGriz75]

So you're saying that Stitt set up the perfect scheme for UND and then went to bad schemes for the next two games and that is why their production dropped off?.

The game metrics (# plays, time of play) changed materially in the subsequent games. The biggest delta change in those metrics between games for the entire season. There can be no doubt that the strategy changed, and it was from what made that game successful, back to the kind of offense Stitt says he prefers to run.

I am sure everyone will have differing opinions on how those changes affected the games, leading to the usual name-calling by the people that can't explain it, or refuse to even acknowledge it, and so the games will have to speak for themselves.

Indeed, in those subsequent games, Henderson and Jones were marginalized to just 11.8 yds average per carry, and only 73 yds per game.

 

[mtgrizrule]

So you're saying that Stitt set up the perfect scheme for UND and then went to bad schemes for the next two games and that is why their production dropped off?.

The game metrics (# plays, time of play) changed materially in the subsequent games. There can be no doubt that the strategy changed. I am sure everyone will have differing opinions on how those changes affected the games, and the games will have to speak for themselves.

Regardless of who our coach is, I'd love to see the GRIZ have the consistent offense that EWU has every year. They do it regardless of who their WR's or QB are. Baldwin knows how to utilize his offensive personnel to the fullest of any BSC coach. Too bad, their defense is such a problem for them.