Stitt was right about punting

[grizpack]

When you read the last page of a new thread, and instantly realize you have absolutely no need to go back and read the rest of it...............

 

[UMGriz75]

not that anyone cares....but my take on Stitt's....."go for it, no punting strategy"......have to punt....when you don't have complete confidence in your offense.......

I think it depends on the quality of the opponent. He goes traditional playing an opponent we are expected to easily beat. And ramps up his philosophy when the opponent gets tougher. Thus, I expect to see more fourth down offensive plays on Saturday.

It seems like THAT would be the time to experiment, when the opponent is easy to beat, rather than the time to "go traditional." An interesting theory. We only got six points off of that in the first half against SF.

 

[grizpsych]

not that anyone cares....but my take on Stitt's....."go for it, no punting strategy"......have to punt....when you don't have complete confidence in your offense.......

I think it depends on the quality of the opponent. He goes traditional playing an opponent we are expected to easily beat. And ramps up his philosophy when the opponent gets tougher. Thus, I expect to see more fourth down offensive plays on Saturday.

It seems like THAT would be the time to experiment, when the opponent is easy to beat, rather than the time to "go traditional." An interesting theory. We only got six points off of that in the first half against SF.

True. But, I don't think he is experimenting. Rather, I think he 'takes the foot off the gas' for easily beatable teams.

 

[AZGrizFan]

not that anyone cares....but my take on Stitt's....."go for it, no punting strategy"......have to punt....when you don't have complete confidence in your offense.......

I think it depends on the quality of the opponent. He goes traditional playing an opponent we are expected to easily beat. And ramps up his philosophy when the opponent gets tougher. Thus, I expect to see more fourth down offensive plays on Saturday.

It seems like THAT would be the time to experiment, when the opponent is easy to beat, rather than the time to "go traditional." An interesting theory. We only got six points off of that in the first half against SF.

Again though, even being less traditional, there weren't really any opportunities in the 1st half to ramp up the philosophy. 4th & 10 from the 50 would have been the only real opportunity, and that's a pretty tough call against ANY opponent.

 

[UMGriz75]

True. But, I don't think he is experimenting. Rather, I think he 'takes the foot off the gas' for easily beatable teams.

And that was my point in bringing up the ISU game. It almost killed us. Kramer may have a dead dog for a football program, but he's still a smart coach. "Going conservative" seems to backfire more than "conserve."

 

[grizpsych]

True. But, I don't think he is experimenting. Rather, I think he 'takes the foot off the gas' for easily beatable teams.

And that was my point in bringing up the ISU game. It almost killed us. Kramer may have a dead dog for a football program, but he's still a smart coach. "Going conservative" seems to backfire more than "conserve."

I agree.

 

[UMGriz75]

Going for it on the Fourth Down.

http://blog.minitab.com/blog/the-statistics-game/going-for-it-on-4th-down-do-the-statistics-say-its-a-gamble

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Where are you getting these facts? Must be from a different record....

Don Read's first year was HARDLY his best. He was 6-4 his first year at Montana. He finished up 10-2, 11-3 and 13-2.

You are right. The list I looked at was an abbreviated list, and I did not notice that.

Hate to be a buzz-kill, but most folks who have followed Grizzly athletics since Jud Heathcote coached BB here do not need to look at a list to figure out Don Read's most successful year as a coach was not 1986. Just sayin'.

 

[UMGriz75]

Where are you getting these facts? Must be from a different record....

Don Read's first year was HARDLY his best. He was 6-4 his first year at Montana. He finished up 10-2, 11-3 and 13-2.

You are right. The list I looked at was an abbreviated list, and I did not notice that.

Hate to be a buzz-kill, but most folks who have followed Grizzly athletics since Jud Heathcote coached BB here do not need to look at a list to figure out Don Read's most successful year as a coach was not 1986. Just sayin'.

Well, between the phone, and people in the office asking questions, looking at an incomplete list, and trying to post a note on the subject, I frankly forgot about a record made 30 years ago. AZ corrected that, and I appreciated the correction. Had I gotten home and looked at it again, it would have dawned on me. Thanks for your interest.

On the other hand, it is notable regarding the "success of coaches" with their own recruits that, for Don Read, his fourth year at PSU he went 4-5, 3rd year at Oregon 1-6 (conf), Oregon Tech 7-2, PSU (fourth year) 4-5-1, and that his fifth year at Montana was also 4-4 (conf) and his seventh year was 4-3 (conf).

So, does "Don Read" in fact, beg the question regarding what a coach can do with his own recruits and my premise that there is little real correlation, or at least, a highly uncertain one? You bet it does. Far better than my original example.

And that is because, as we debated on this topic last Fall, no coach, not even Bob Stitt, recruits his first choices for every position.

 

[AZGrizFan]

True. But, I don't think he is experimenting. Rather, I think he 'takes the foot off the gas' for easily beatable teams.

And that was my point in bringing up the ISU game. It almost killed us. Kramer may have a dead dog for a football program, but he's still a smart coach. "Going conservative" seems to backfire more than "conserve."

I agree.

I agree x2. Don't go conservative. Don't punt. :thumb: :thumb:

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Where are you getting these facts? Must be from a different record....

Don Read's first year was HARDLY his best. He was 6-4 his first year at Montana. He finished up 10-2, 11-3 and 13-2.

You are right. The list I looked at was an abbreviated list, and I did not notice that.

Hate to be a buzz-kill, but most folks who have followed Grizzly athletics since Jud Heathcote coached BB here do not need to look at a list to figure out Don Read's most successful year as a coach was not 1986. Just sayin'.

Well, between the phone, and people in the office asking questions, looking at an incomplete list, and trying to post a note on the subject, I frankly forgot about a record made 30 years ago. AZ corrected that, and I appreciated the correction. Had I gotten home and looked at it again, it would have dawned on me. Thanks for your interest.

On the other hand, it is notable regarding the "success of coaches" with their own recruits that, for Don Read, his fourth year at PSU he went 4-5, 3rd year at Oregon 1-6 (conf), Oregon Tech 7-2, PSU (fourth year) 4-5-1, and that his fifth year at Montana was also 4-4 (conf) and his seventh year was 4-3 (conf).

So, does "Don Read" in fact, beg the question regarding what a coach can do with his own recruits and my premise that there is little real correlation, or at least, a highly uncertain one? You bet it does. Far better than my original example.

Facts sure can be messy and hard to keep track of. I just wish I could spend my work day posting on egriz and blame the work for not getting my facts straight.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You are right. The list I looked at was an abbreviated list, and I did not notice that.

Hate to be a buzz-kill, but most folks who have followed Grizzly athletics since Jud Heathcote coached BB here do not need to look at a list to figure out Don Read's most successful year as a coach was not 1986. Just sayin'.

Well, between the phone, and people in the office asking questions, looking at an incomplete list, and trying to post a note on the subject, I frankly forgot about a record made 30 years ago. AZ corrected that, and I appreciated the correction. Had I gotten home and looked at it again, it would have dawned on me. Thanks for your interest.

On the other hand, it is notable regarding the "success of coaches" with their own recruits that, for Don Read, his fourth year at PSU he went 4-5, 3rd year at Oregon 1-6 (conf), Oregon Tech 7-2, PSU (fourth year) 4-5-1, and that his fifth year at Montana was also 4-4 (conf) and his seventh year was 4-3 (conf).

So, does "Don Read" in fact, beg the question regarding what a coach can do with his own recruits and my premise that there is little real correlation, or at least, a highly uncertain one? You bet it does. Far better than my original example.

Facts sure can be messy and hard to keep track of. I just wish I could spend my work day posting on egriz and blame the work for not getting my facts straight.

Ain't America great??

 

[UMGriz75]

Facts sure can be messy and hard to keep track of. I just wish I could spend my work day posting on egriz and blame the work for not getting my facts straight.

If it bothers you that much, please block my posts. See how easy that can be?

 

[horribilisfan8184]

If you haven't "noted" a punting philosophy/strategy of Stitt you haven't paid attention to his interview responses on the subject (not to mention this would seem to be the only football philosophy/strategy of Stitt you haven't noted and criticized. )

While you recover from your seizure, you will note that I expressed enthusiasm for his "non-punting" strategy as he seemed to outline it early last season. I didn't, and don't, offer an opinion on it either way, just agreeing with others that I'm surprised he seems to have become more conservative about it. The ISU game was an example of him becoming more "conservative" and using his statement there, post-game, that that is exactly what he had done in the second half.

However, you need congratulations on what is an extraordinary imagination of accusing me of nearly the opposite of what I actually said. Isn't that what actual trolls do? Is that because of your own "agenda?"

Just pointing out what a dork you can be. Thanks for the conformation.

 

[UMGriz75]

If you haven't "noted" a punting philosophy/strategy of Stitt you haven't paid attention to his interview responses on the subject (not to mention this would seem to be the only football philosophy/strategy of Stitt you haven't noted and criticized. )

While you recover from your seizure, you will note that I expressed enthusiasm for his "non-punting" strategy as he seemed to outline it early last season. I didn't, and don't, offer an opinion on it either way, just agreeing with others that I'm surprised he seems to have become more conservative about it. The ISU game was an example of him becoming more "conservative" and using his statement there, post-game, that that is exactly what he had done in the second half.

However, you need congratulations on what is an extraordinary imagination of accusing me of nearly the opposite of what I actually said. Isn't that what actual trolls do? Is that because of your own "agenda?"

Just pointing out what a dork you can be. Thanks for the conformation.

OK, you admit to being a liar. Thanks for trolling yet another thread.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

If you haven't "noted" a punting philosophy/strategy of Stitt you haven't paid attention to his interview responses on the subject (not to mention this would seem to be the only football philosophy/strategy of Stitt you haven't noted and criticized. )

While you recover from your seizure, you will note that I expressed enthusiasm for his "non-punting" strategy as he seemed to outline it early last season. I didn't, and don't, offer an opinion on it either way, just agreeing with others that I'm surprised he seems to have become more conservative about it. The ISU game was an example of him becoming more "conservative" and using his statement there, post-game, that that is exactly what he had done in the second half.

However, you need congratulations on what is an extraordinary imagination of accusing me of nearly the opposite of what I actually said. Isn't that what actual trolls do? Is that because of your own "agenda?"

Just pointing out what a dork you can be. Thanks for the conformation.

OK, you admit to being a liar. Thanks for trolling yet another thread.

More dork BS

 

[UMGriz75]

More dork BS

Boy, you got me with that powerful retort. Other than sounding like a high school kid going through puberty, do you have any observations on punting strategy, or do you have a different "agenda" here?

 

[catsack]

Don't over complicate it. The more Stitt gets his personnel in place, the more he'll go with his philosophy.

That generally has not been true at UM. Insofar as conference records are concerned, relying primarily on predecessor's recruiting,
Don Read's first year was his best.
Mick Dennehy's first year was his best.
Joe Glenn's first year was his best.
Robin Pflugrad's second year was hard to beat.
The exception to that was Bobby Hauck, who definitely got better with his own recruits.
Delaney got into the playoffs his second and third years.

As far as their overall records (conference and non-conference), since Larry Donovan, of seven coaches only Mick Delaney had a worse first year record than Bob Stitt.

While it is a very plausible "truism" that coaches get better results with their "own" recruits, there really isn't a strong basis in UM's program history to argue that. I couldn't argue any logic to that record, just that it is the record.

Reads first year was worse then Stitts
Pflus first year was worse then Stitts
Read had way better years then his first and a couple similar to his first!
Reads best year ultimately was his last NC
KEEP PUSHING YOUR ANTI STITT AGENDA !

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Don't over complicate it. The more Stitt gets his personnel in place, the more he'll go with his philosophy.

That generally has not been true at UM. Insofar as conference records are concerned, relying primarily on predecessor's recruiting,
Don Read's first year was his best.
Mick Dennehy's first year was his best.
Joe Glenn's first year was his best.
Robin Pflugrad's second year was hard to beat.
The exception to that was Bobby Hauck, who definitely got better with his own recruits.
Delaney got into the playoffs his second and third years.

As far as their overall records (conference and non-conference), since Larry Donovan, of seven coaches only Mick Delaney had a worse first year record than Bob Stitt.

While it is a very plausible "truism" that coaches get better results with their "own" recruits, there really isn't a strong basis in UM's program history to argue that. I couldn't argue any logic to that record, just that it is the record.

Reads first year was worse then Stitts
Pflus first year was worse then Stitts
Read had way better years then his first and a couple similar to his first!
Reads best year ultimately was his last NC
KEEP PUSHING YOUR ANTI STITT AGENDA !

What a troll. LOL Figured I would beat 75 to it.

 

[UMGriz75]

KEEP PUSHING YOUR ANTI STITT AGENDA !

What a troll. LOL Figured I would beat 75 to it.

Please, clean off your noses before bed tonight. Your wives/cousins would no doubt prefer you don't soil the pillows ... on the couch. Sweet dreams. Dream about "punting."