Stitt vs Hauck - year one comparison

[ilovethecats]

I actually thought both of the guys you're fighting about were pretty good. I thought Jensen had some eye-opening passes last season. seemed to have good touch on deeper passes. more of a stand-in-the-pocket prototypical passes. he wouldn't "wow" you with his feet, but not a ton of qb's do.

I said it after cat/griz; I think sneed is flat out a gamer. I understand the fumbles and I can see how that could change someones opinion of him. but I watched a lot of your games this year and the guy is electric. any given second of every play he's a threat to beat you with his legs or his arm. that makes you hard to defend. he appeared to get off to a slow start but by the time I saw him live I was very impressed. ya he had a costly fumble....that occurred while making some amazing moves making guys miss and giving his all for one more yard. i'd take that all day.

if I was forced to pick a guy i'd take sneed just because of that "it" factor. but I thought both represented the griz very well.

cats two cents...

 

[PAGriz]

The only stats that matter going forward is how GJ plays on the other side of the ball against the Griz these next 2 years. That'll be a sight to see!!

You would be correct. Not sure what offers he has. 247 has Montana State, Albany and Idaho State listed. If those are the 3 he has, my hope is Montana State but my guess would be Idaho state simply for the fact that they are a more vertical team and it cant hurt having Ferriter as the OC/QB Coach. I guess we will find out in a few weeks although he may wait until February signing period. He cant go to the next school for spring in either case because of the transfer rule that says he has to be at the Juco for one calendar year and graduate

 

[Spanky2]

What team is he with?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Sneed carried the ball a lot more Jensen. Jensen played only in 7.5 games, compared to 11 for Sneed.

Classic. I see you've bought into this concept since it now helps your argument...So can we project GJ's TD/INT #'s then? :lol: :lol:

 

[MTGRZ]

I for one hope Bob Stitt gets another FCS coaching job, preferably in the Big Sky:
1) He deserves it - he is better than many other FCS / Big Sky coaches. Many opinions about this, but his offense was becoming more consistent with a healthy QB. If you disagree, no need to kick the man when he's down. You should be happy if he gets hired by another Big Sky team if you don't like his coaching. Let's just see how things would play out...
2) The entertainment value of having his team in the Big Sky would be off the charts, with regular matchups against Gregorak and Hauck. Who wouldn't want to see those matchups on an almost annual basis?!

I don’t think he would fair very well as a BSC head coach. Face it - he could not take the Griz back to the top of the conference and actually had them headed the wrong direction when canned. How the hell is he going to take a Northern Colorado, Idaho or Cal Poly and make them a consistent contender. Won’t happen. Worse yet, he would lock up all the top receivers in the league for recruiting. He reminds me of my sister playing monopoly. She would buy all of the shitty properties thinking she would win. Usually the expensive green properties that you can rarely win with.

I respectfully disagree. The first year with "his guy" at QB would have been year 3, but even then Phillips went down with injury. Stitt took a Colorado Mines program that hadn't won a conference title since the 1950's and made them into a contender. Canning a guy after 3 winning seasons is a little rash, in my opinion. IF we had beat MSU his last year (which I contend we would have done if Chris Murray hadn't been playing), then Stitt is probably still here. And who knows what Jensen would have done in his first full year in the system? Maybe we make the playoffs this year...

Anyway, my main point is I hope we get to settle this once and for all (which would happen if he gets a 5-yr contract somewhere). :thumb:

If Stitt and Seymore were still here we would have had to score 100 to beat teams. That defense was soft against teams with any talent.

 

[PAGriz]

I for one hope Bob Stitt gets another FCS coaching job, preferably in the Big Sky:
1) He deserves it - he is better than many other FCS / Big Sky coaches. Many opinions about this, but his offense was becoming more consistent with a healthy QB. If you disagree, no need to kick the man when he's down. You should be happy if he gets hired by another Big Sky team if you don't like his coaching. Let's just see how things would play out...
2) The entertainment value of having his team in the Big Sky would be off the charts, with regular matchups against Gregorak and Hauck. Who wouldn't want to see those matchups on an almost annual basis?!

I don’t think he would fair very well as a BSC head coach. Face it - he could not take the Griz back to the top of the conference and actually had them headed the wrong direction when canned. How the hell is he going to take a Northern Colorado, Idaho or Cal Poly and make them a consistent contender. Won’t happen. Worse yet, he would lock up all the top receivers in the league for recruiting. He reminds me of my sister playing monopoly. She would buy all of the shitty properties thinking she would win. Usually the expensive green properties that you can rarely win with.

I respectfully disagree. The first year with "his guy" at QB would have been year 3, but even then Phillips went down with injury. Stitt took a Colorado Mines program that hadn't won a conference title since the 1950's and made them into a contender. Canning a guy after 3 winning seasons is a little rash, in my opinion. IF we had beat MSU his last year (which I contend we would have done if Chris Murray hadn't been playing), then Stitt is probably still here. And who knows what Jensen would have done in his first full year in the system? Maybe we make the playoffs this year...

Anyway, my main point is I hope we get to settle this once and for all (which would happen if he gets a 5-yr contract somewhere). :thumb:

If Stitt and Seymore were still here we would have had to score 100 to beat teams. That defense was soft against teams with any talent.

Interesting opinion considering that overall defensive numbers are almost identical from last year and this year even though last years team played more high powered offenses. But your point is taken

 

[grizindabox]

I don’t think he would fair very well as a BSC head coach. Face it - he could not take the Griz back to the top of the conference and actually had them headed the wrong direction when canned. How the hell is he going to take a Northern Colorado, Idaho or Cal Poly and make them a consistent contender. Won’t happen. Worse yet, he would lock up all the top receivers in the league for recruiting. He reminds me of my sister playing monopoly. She would buy all of the shitty properties thinking she would win. Usually the expensive green properties that you can rarely win with.

I respectfully disagree. The first year with "his guy" at QB would have been year 3, but even then Phillips went down with injury. Stitt took a Colorado Mines program that hadn't won a conference title since the 1950's and made them into a contender. Canning a guy after 3 winning seasons is a little rash, in my opinion. IF we had beat MSU his last year (which I contend we would have done if Chris Murray hadn't been playing), then Stitt is probably still here. And who knows what Jensen would have done in his first full year in the system? Maybe we make the playoffs this year...

Anyway, my main point is I hope we get to settle this once and for all (which would happen if he gets a 5-yr contract somewhere). :thumb:

If Stitt and Seymore were still here we would have had to score 100 to beat teams. That defense was soft against teams with any talent.

Interesting opinion considering that overall defensive numbers are almost identical from last year and this year even though last years team played more high powered offenses. But your point is taken

hmmm, I wonder what both years have in common?

 

[PlayerRep]

Here are stats on Jensen's passing efficiency. As you will see, he was not above his season average in any of the tougher games. Only Savannah St, Ida. St., No. Dak. and No. Colo. He had 128.69 against Weber, which was the closest he came to his season average in a tougher game. Based on passing efficiency, the wrap of him not stepping up in tougher game seems to be accurate.


Washington 91.87
Savannah State 225.68
Eastern Washington
121.78
Portland State
121.46
Idaho State
189.83
North Dakota
181.23
Weber State
128.69
Northern Colorado
184.21
Montana State
119.76
TOTALS 148.16

You are really mind blowing. In one topic you argue intangibles over stats.

In this one you argue you Jensens Juco stats to this years to Sneeds Stats at Montana this year and no intangibles.
But I cant reverse it and compare Jensens JUCO stats this year to Sneeds Juco Stats last year. Too funny.

For some bizzare reason you cant acknowledge that Jensen was a freshman thrust into action with little preparation and that with a full year to prepare , he wouldnt have improved???
You than argue that Sneeds fumbles were not all his fault but you would disagree if I said 5 of Jensens INT's last year bounced off the recievers chest into the hands of the defender.

Somehow you have determined that Jensen threw way more "very short passes" than Sneed. I watched both offenses and this year was more of a dink and dunk offense as seen by yards per completion.
Am I suppose to believe that This year was the Griz YAC was less?

So I am going to sure YOUR argument comparing what Jensen did Last season to what Sneed di this season only I am going to reverse it. Oh, and by the way is more relevant because they were both Sophomores and both at JUCO

Sneed(Last Year Juco Stats)- 136 Comp. 213 attempts 63.8% for 1257 yards, 5.9 yards per completion, 7 TD's and 11 Ints,113.9 effic, 295 rushing for an ave. 3.7 yards, 1 rushing TD, 3 fumbles and 3 fumbles lost

Jensen(This year JUCO stats- 159 Comp, 274 attempts 58% for 2330 Yards, 8.5 yards per completion, 16 TD's and 5 ints, 145.1 Effic, 289 yards rushing for an ave of 5.6 yards, 6 Rushing TD's, 1 fumble and 1 fumble lost.

I know you wont like this because in this case using you very own method of comparing this year to last year.

Jensen was better in Completions, passing yards, Yards per completion, a substantially better TD to Int ratio, Passing efficiency, Yards per Carry, Rushing TD's, less fumbles, more passing TD's, less int's

I have not compared Jensen's JUCO stats to Sneed's stats this year. I asked why Jensen's completion percentage went down to 58% this year. You need to learn how to read.

You must be pretty desperate, and know that you've lost this battle, to be comparing JUCO stats, when the most relevant are what the 2 players did at UM one year apart. JUCO stat comparisons of the two are virtually meaningless. Two different schools. Two different years. Two different groups of players.

I call BS on the 5 of Jensen's picks last year bounced off the hands of receivers. Please stop with your silliness.

What do Sneed's fumbles have to do with Jensen's interceptions? Talk about bizarre. Man, you are way out there. Like I said, no matter how you measure it, Jensen's rate of interceptions per pass last year for UM was essentially double that of Sneed's this year. Same receivers.

Sneed came to UM in January and had beaten Jensen out by the end of spring ball, so Jensen chose to leave and not compete. Jensen was elected captain. I assume not many players, if any, have ever been elected captain in their first year at UM.

Of the 10 or so people on or close to the team that I've talked to, not one wishes Jensen was still here. To me, that says alot. I hope Jensen finds a good home and gets his chance, whether in the Big Sky or elsewhere. I'd love to see the Griz go after him in conference play, and vice versa.

 

[PlayerRep]

His 4 best passing efficiency games were Valpo, Savannah St, Idaho St, No Dak, and No Colo. That's why he got some criticism for not performing well in tougher games.

And THIS is why we love you, PR. Your precision use of statistics to make your point.

Do you find typos to be a major glitch? I suppose when you don't know much about football or Griz football, that typos become big for you.

 

[PlayerRep]

I don’t think he would fair very well as a BSC head coach. Face it - he could not take the Griz back to the top of the conference and actually had them headed the wrong direction when canned. How the hell is he going to take a Northern Colorado, Idaho or Cal Poly and make them a consistent contender. Won’t happen. Worse yet, he would lock up all the top receivers in the league for recruiting. He reminds me of my sister playing monopoly. She would buy all of the shitty properties thinking she would win. Usually the expensive green properties that you can rarely win with.

I respectfully disagree. The first year with "his guy" at QB would have been year 3, but even then Phillips went down with injury. Stitt took a Colorado Mines program that hadn't won a conference title since the 1950's and made them into a contender. Canning a guy after 3 winning seasons is a little rash, in my opinion. IF we had beat MSU his last year (which I contend we would have done if Chris Murray hadn't been playing), then Stitt is probably still here. And who knows what Jensen would have done in his first full year in the system? Maybe we make the playoffs this year...

Anyway, my main point is I hope we get to settle this once and for all (which would happen if he gets a 5-yr contract somewhere). :thumb:

If Stitt and Seymore were still here we would have had to score 100 to beat teams. That defense was soft against teams with any talent.

Interesting opinion considering that overall defensive numbers are almost identical from last year and this year even though last years team played more high powered offenses. But your point is taken

Last year's team played more total cream puffs too.

 

[PlayerRep]

I actually thought both of the guys you're fighting about were pretty good. I thought Jensen had some eye-opening passes last season. seemed to have good touch on deeper passes. more of a stand-in-the-pocket prototypical passes. he wouldn't "wow" you with his feet, but not a ton of qb's do.

I said it after cat/griz; I think sneed is flat out a gamer. I understand the fumbles and I can see how that could change someones opinion of him. but I watched a lot of your games this year and the guy is electric. any given second of every play he's a threat to beat you with his legs or his arm. that makes you hard to defend. he appeared to get off to a slow start but by the time I saw him live I was very impressed. ya he had a costly fumble....that occurred while making some amazing moves making guys miss and giving his all for one more yard. i'd take that all day.

if I was forced to pick a guy i'd take sneed just because of that "it" factor. but I thought both represented the griz very well.

cats two cents...

Good post. Obviously, I agree. Sneed has more good qualities than just gamer too, in my view.

My former Griz buddy used the same word to describe Sneed, i.e. gamer, as you did, after he saw the last game. He had already been told that by players on the current team. He also said that he rated Anderson as one of the 3 best players he ever played against and saw. The other two being Wentz and Kupp.

 

[AZDoc]

This has been fun to follow. Truth is, we will never know how GJ would've done here. He is also NOT as fast as sneed, but probably a better true reader of defenses and perhaps, if given time by the sieve we had as an O-line, would've been more than "one read sneed". Perhaps, GJ would've been blindsided and out for the season, thus sneed plays anyway.
What's interesting is there are many valid points, taken to support their individual arguments, as true eGriz style is.

 

[AZDoc]

I actually thought both of the guys you're fighting about were pretty good. I thought Jensen had some eye-opening passes last season. seemed to have good touch on deeper passes. more of a stand-in-the-pocket prototypical passes. he wouldn't "wow" you with his feet, but not a ton of qb's do.

I said it after cat/griz; I think sneed is flat out a gamer. I understand the fumbles and I can see how that could change someones opinion of him. but I watched a lot of your games this year and the guy is electric. any given second of every play he's a threat to beat you with his legs or his arm. that makes you hard to defend. he appeared to get off to a slow start but by the time I saw him live I was very impressed. ya he had a costly fumble....that occurred while making some amazing moves making guys miss and giving his all for one more yard. i'd take that all day.

if I was forced to pick a guy i'd take sneed just because of that "it" factor. but I thought both represented the griz very well.

cats two cents...

Good post. Obviously, I agree. Sneed has more good qualities than just gamer too, in my view.

My former Griz buddy used the same word to describe Sneed, i.e. gamer, as you did, after he saw the last game. He had already been told that by players on the current team. He also said that he rated Anderson as one of the 3 best players he ever played against and saw. The other two being Wentz and Kupp.

Perfect word for him! Another guy I thought was a gamer last season is now the starting QB for the Browns. There is a lot more to football than skills. We have all seen or heard of players that have "game speed" and how different it is than "track speed". One thing with gamers is that they tend to be less consistent overall because of their style. I was not happy when GJ left, thought Sneed was overrated after the first few games, but have come to feel that gamer describes him perfectly. I think he will be solid next season and that will show in the stats we will argue about after next season.

 

[PlayerRep]

Ask the coaches what they think, if you get a chance.

 

[PAGriz]

I respectfully disagree. The first year with "his guy" at QB would have been year 3, but even then Phillips went down with injury. Stitt took a Colorado Mines program that hadn't won a conference title since the 1950's and made them into a contender. Canning a guy after 3 winning seasons is a little rash, in my opinion. IF we had beat MSU his last year (which I contend we would have done if Chris Murray hadn't been playing), then Stitt is probably still here. And who knows what Jensen would have done in his first full year in the system? Maybe we make the playoffs this year...

Anyway, my main point is I hope we get to settle this once and for all (which would happen if he gets a 5-yr contract somewhere). :thumb:

If Stitt and Seymore were still here we would have had to score 100 to beat teams. That defense was soft against teams with any talent.

Interesting opinion considering that overall defensive numbers are almost identical from last year and this year even though last years team played more high powered offenses. But your point is taken

Last year's team played more total cream puffs too.

I havent lost anything. I am right you are wrong.

I have LITERALLY quoted your post comparing Jensen last year and Sneed this year.

Oh yeah to your Ask a coach comment. What would you expect them to say? No matter how they really feel they are going to say , we wish we had Jensen instead of Sneed.

Nice try though.

 

[PlayerRep]

If Stitt and Seymore were still here we would have had to score 100 to beat teams. That defense was soft against teams with any talent.

Interesting opinion considering that overall defensive numbers are almost identical from last year and this year even though last years team played more high powered offenses. But your point is taken

Last year's team played more total cream puffs too.

I havent lost anything. I am right you are wrong.

I have LITERALLY quoted your post comparing Jensen last year and Sneed this year.

Oh yeah to your Ask a coach comment. What would you expect them to say? No matter how they really feel they are going to say , we wish we had Jensen instead of Sneed.

Nice try though.

Even the Cat posters like Sneed over Jensen. Yup, you lost on this one.

You probably don't know any coaches, so couldn't ask anyway. Coaches tell the truth almost all of the time to the people they know and trust, and on this one, they would tell anyone, truthfully, that they liked Sneed better than Jensen in spring ball, and that the season proved them to be right. Posts like your second to last para, are just plain dumb. When people make posts like that, I can tell that they are not connected to the coaches and they really don't have much experience with the subject.

Are you guaranteeing that Jensen will start at wherever he goes next year? He might be able to start for the Cats or ISU, I suppose.

 

[grizindabox]

This is like comparing Goofy to Pluto

 

[SoldierGriz]

I respectfully disagree. The first year with "his guy" at QB would have been year 3, but even then Phillips went down with injury. Stitt took a Colorado Mines program that hadn't won a conference title since the 1950's and made them into a contender. Canning a guy after 3 winning seasons is a little rash, in my opinion. IF we had beat MSU his last year (which I contend we would have done if Chris Murray hadn't been playing), then Stitt is probably still here. And who knows what Jensen would have done in his first full year in the system? Maybe we make the playoffs this year...

Anyway, my main point is I hope we get to settle this once and for all (which would happen if he gets a 5-yr contract somewhere). :thumb:

If Stitt and Seymore were still here we would have had to score 100 to beat teams. That defense was soft against teams with any talent.

Interesting opinion considering that overall defensive numbers are almost identical from last year and this year even though last years team played more high powered offenses. But your point is taken

hmmm, I wonder what both years have in common?

Yep....not a popular opinion...but there are two peas in that pod.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I don’t think he would fair very well as a BSC head coach. Face it - he could not take the Griz back to the top of the conference and actually had them headed the wrong direction when canned. How the hell is he going to take a Northern Colorado, Idaho or Cal Poly and make them a consistent contender. Won’t happen. Worse yet, he would lock up all the top receivers in the league for recruiting. He reminds me of my sister playing monopoly. She would buy all of the shitty properties thinking she would win. Usually the expensive green properties that you can rarely win with.

I respectfully disagree. The first year with "his guy" at QB would have been year 3, but even then Phillips went down with injury. Stitt took a Colorado Mines program that hadn't won a conference title since the 1950's and made them into a contender. Canning a guy after 3 winning seasons is a little rash, in my opinion. IF we had beat MSU his last year (which I contend we would have done if Chris Murray hadn't been playing), then Stitt is probably still here. And who knows what Jensen would have done in his first full year in the system? Maybe we make the playoffs this year...

Anyway, my main point is I hope we get to settle this once and for all (which would happen if he gets a 5-yr contract somewhere). :thumb:

If Stitt and Seymore were still here we would have had to score 100 to beat teams. That defense was soft against teams with any talent.

Interesting opinion considering that overall defensive numbers are almost identical from last year and this year even though last years team played more high powered offenses. But your point is taken

And a REALLY interesting opinion given Stitt’s D never gave up 41 straight, or 46 straight. EVER. Didn’t have six scoreless halves in any season, either. Seems to me that Baer’s D is no less soft...which I called from the get-go. Pretty sad for these players that BH basically threw this season away by hiring Baer as an alleged “placeholder” for his brother.

 

[getgrizzy]

Interesting opinion considering that overall defensive numbers are almost identical from last year and this year even though last years team played more high powered offenses. But your point is taken

Last year's team played more total cream puffs too.

I havent lost anything. I am right you are wrong.

I have LITERALLY quoted your post comparing Jensen last year and Sneed this year.

Oh yeah to your Ask a coach comment. What would you expect them to say? No matter how they really feel they are going to say , we wish we had Jensen instead of Sneed.

Nice try though.

Even the Cat posters like Sneed over Jensen. Yup, you lost on this one.

You probably don't know any coaches, so couldn't ask anyway. Coaches tell the truth almost all of the time to the people they know and trust, and on this one, they would tell anyone, truthfully, that they liked Sneed better than Jensen in spring ball, and that the season proved them to be right. Posts like your second to last para, are just plain dumb. When people make posts like that, I can tell that they are not connected to the coaches and they really don't have much experience with the subject.

Are you guaranteeing that Jensen will start at wherever he goes next year? He might be able to start for the Cats or ISU, I suppose.

Here are Sneeds league games in descending order by QB rating with year end pass D efficiency rank in ()
Idaho 201.9 (12)
S. Utah 195.9 (13)
MSU 171.6 (5)
Poly 171.4 (7)
Sac 128.4 (9)
Davis 121.4 (6)
ND 104.7 (na)
PSU 84.1 (11)
NON-Conf
Drake 129.7
UNI 128.5
WIU 111.8

Same for Jensen.
ISU 189.9 (11)
NC 184.2 (8)
ND 181.2 (7)
WSU 128.7 (1)
EWU 121.8 (6)
PSU 121.5 (10)
MSU 119.8 (4)
NAU dnp
NON-Conf
Savannah 225.7
Valpo 150.4
UW 91.9