PAGriz said:
PlayerRep said:
PAGriz said:
You live in bizzaro world. You repeatedly mention the interception thing. Found some interesting things.
But before that you keep comparing a Junior QB who got all of the 1st team snaps through spring, summer and fall to a Freshman QB who didn’t take a 1st team snap until the week leading up to the EW game.
Jensen had 3 more Ints then Sneed and he through downfield significantly more. He had two less TD’s yet he played 3 1/2 less games.
Sneeds comp 62%. Jensen 60%
With all the attitude, physicality etc improvement the defenses of the last two years were almost identical. Opponents averaged 4.1 yards per rush in 2017 and 2018.
The passing yards allowed was only about 150 yds difference for the whole year.
2018 had more fumbles and fumbles lost then 2017.
Special teams, at least statistically have improved what I would consider substantially in 2018.
Sacks were down in 2018 from 40 to 24
Two corrections. Sneed's completion percentage was 62.8%, not 62. Jensen's was 60.2 last season. .636 per game for Sneed, compared to 1.18 Jensen. Jensen played in 2.5 less games, not 3.5.
I mention the interception thing, because it's a very important stat for a qb and a team. Sneed had 7 in 11 games. Jensen had 10 in 8.5 games. That's a significant difference.
Why don't you compare the o-lines from '17 to '18? O-lines, as you must know, have a large impact on an offense, passing game and qb? Do you not realize, or care, that 4 senior starters graduated last year, the one returning starter ended up getting hurt and not playing for much of the season, there were no seniors on the roster, 2 redshirt frosh started, 2 walk-ons started, and one starter was playing defense the first week of pre-season practice. Or, do you live in a blizzaro world where you believe the o-line doesn't affec the offense, the passing game, and the qb?
I was told that Jensen would have been "dead" this season, because he wasn't nearly as mobile as Sneed.
Did you attend any gams in person?
Why did Jensen's completion percentage drop to 58% this year at the JC? Just curious. I see that his picks improved.
What's your relation to Jensen?
I have to take these one at a time. 1st thank you for correcting the huge difference I was off by. lol 60 to 60.2 and 62 to 62.8.
1) This one is the most interesting to me. In another thread you argued against the facts/numbers and sited intangibles. Now its the opposite. Fact, Jensen threw the ball down field much more than Sneed. AS a person with football knowledge knows the further the pass the completion percentage goes down and the INT percentage goes up. This is proven by Jensens higher yards per completion average.
2) Jensen didnt play(other than garbage time in the Valpo and UW games. He played about half of Savanah State and he didnt play in the NAU game. Thats 3 1/2 games.
3) Once again you are comparing a freshman who didnt get any 1st team reps until the week of the EWU game to a Junior who got all the 1st team reps through spring, Summer and the fall. You would think that would account for something. You also would assume that a Freshman thrust into action under those circumstances would improve significantly with a full spring, summer and fall as the 1st team guy.
You said it was a significant upgrade which is laughable. The facts that what above did occur, Jensen threw downfield more was thrust into action with little preparation was only 3 INT's off and 2.6 off of Completion percentage for the season contradicts your opinion. And by the way. How many more TD's would Jensen have thrown had he played the extra 3.5 games?
4) Oline. Logically, yes this was a young oline but it was a young oline that hepled get this team big leads in several games and lost in the end. They gave up 5 more sacks than last year. And yes I have gone to games and watched on TV when I wasnt there. Quite a few sacks were on the run first QB trying to do to much instead of throwing it away. Conventional wisdom would suggest the opposing coaches made 2nd half defensive adjustments that HAUCK and Rosy didnt counter by play calling or schemes. The Oline didnt simply forget what they needed to do in the 1st half of games.
5) JUCO. Stop!! Juco is an entirely different animal. Apples and Oranges. If you want to compare Jensen and Sneed you have to compare Jensens Juco stats to Sneeds Juco stats and there is no comparison. Juco is set up for one year runs with 90% roster turnover yearly. Little time for cohesiveness.
6) This one is to funny. "Jensen would be dead if he were in there" . Really? who told you that? One of the guys who ran him out of town? No, he would have been fine. He is a passer first and instead of trying to do much and take drive killing sacks he would have simply threw it a way which he did last year. Sure it hurts the completion percentage a little but its better than taking the sack that doesnt hurt your percentage.
7) Finally, I dont know Jensen and never met him. It is almost pathetic how you come on here dropping names and pushing back against anyone the goes against your agenda. You go straight to the mattress's. Nobody could possibly know more than you. If that is the case you would know when Jensen left he had a meeting with Hauck and Rosy. They begged him to stay, told him he was going to be the guy and that maybe they went to far with the head games. Check your sources because if you really are in the know you would easily be able to verify this.
1. Jensen threw more very short passes too. But, feel free to provide better and more complete data.
Answer: Jensen had higher yards per completion
2. Okay, I didn't think of NAU, nor do I even recall it.
3. Yes, I am comparing Jensen last year to Sneed this year. I am not comparing Jensen as a junior to Sneed as a junior. Yes, I believe there was a significant upgrade at qb this year. More accuracy, fewer interceptions, better runner, more mobile, and better leader. I would assume a qb in an offense geared to passing would get more TD's and production than a qb in a more balanced offense, which wasn't usually a pass first offense.
Answer- doesn’t matter what you think. Jensen was only a freshman who had limited 1st team experience after being thrown in. He most certainly would have improved with a full year and his numbers would have certainly improved.
4. I disagree with your sack and qb assessment, and I know Hauck and the coaches I've talked to completely disagree with you. Jensen would have been sacked twice as much as Sneed was, and Jensen would have been hit much more and wouldn't have lasted the season, in my view, as well as others.
Answer- I really don’t have a high value of their opinion, neither should you. They will never admit to it and there is no way to know that would happen
5. No, I don't have to compare JUCO to JUCO. Just wondering why Jensen would be less accurate a year later at a JUCO. Seems like he would have had a much better completion percentage.
Answer- yeah you really do for all the reasons I listed
6. Yes, dead. Sneed is way more mobile and faster than Jensen. Big difference there. So, now someone ran him out of town. He didn't decide on his own to move on?
Answer- that’s your opinion. There is nothing to back up that would happen
7. I thought you just said that Jensen was "run out of town", in your item 6. Now, in the next item, you say the coaches begged him to stay.
Answer- that is what happened and he was run out. If a player was treated like he was all winter and spring it only when you say you are leaving does their tune change.... Would you trust anything they said or did?
8. When it counted against teams like EWU and Weber, Jensen was 51% with a pick, and 50% with 3 picks. His 4 best passing efficiency games were Valpo, Savannah St, Idaho St, No Dak, and No Colo. That's why he got some criticism for not performing well in tougher games.
Answer: glad you brought this up. Ewu was his 1st ever start. He never went 10-28 especially against PSU
9. I know that some of the offensive starters were fine that Jensen left and really liked Sneed.
10. I think you live in a dream world. Glad you have a happy place.
11. I don't have an agenda, other than generally defending players and coaches - when I believe they are getting unfair criticism. Other than that, I call em as I see em.
