Stitt O vs Read O

[Ursa Major]

I hate to be the one pumping the brakes on Bobby Ball. I really enjoyed those deep runs in the playoffs! But you have to remind me how many National Championships did it bring us? We had some really good teams that will be talked about greatly for many years, as they very well should. I think that Bobby Ball left a couple of National Championships on the board that the Griz should have had! Wow, I am a spoiled rotten fan complaining about an near National Championship! If I remember correctly there were a few years with the Read led teams that the Griz lost early in the Playoffs. Then when he won the big one it was all OK! I really believe that Stitt can accomplish the same if given the opportunity!

Indeed. :| Getting to the chipper (especially on the road in the semis in '08) is an accomplishment in-of-itself and nothing to be ashamed of.

Isn't that just accepting mediocrity? Why don't you just jump on Growler's bandwagon headed to Averageville!

 

[Sundown]

I hate to be the one pumping the brakes on Bobby Ball. I really enjoyed those deep runs in the playoffs! But you have to remind me how many National Championships did it bring us? We had some really good teams that will be talked about greatly for many years, as they very well should. I think that Bobby Ball left a couple of National Championships on the board that the Griz should have had! Wow, I am a spoiled rotten fan complaining about an near National Championship! If I remember correctly there were a few years with the Read led teams that the Griz lost early in the Playoffs. Then when he won the big one it was all OK! I really believe that Stitt can accomplish the same if given the opportunity!

Indeed. :| Getting to the chipper (especially on the road in the semis in '08) is an accomplishment in-of-itself and nothing to be ashamed of.

Isn't that just accepting mediocrity? Why don't you just jump on Growler's bandwagon headed to Averageville!

I'm not interested in the eGriz troll-wars. I'll pass.

 

[Proud Griz Man]

Since we want to compare Stitt to Read, what will happen if we have these records the next seven years?

1986 Montana 6–4 4–4 4th
1987 Montana 6–5 5–3 3rd
1988 Montana 8–4 6–2 2nd
1989 Montana 11–3 7–1 2nd
1990 Montana 7–4 4–4 4th
1991 Montana 7–4 6–2 T–2nd
1992 Montana 6–5 4–3 T–3rd

This.

Somewhat Apples and Oranges comparisons. The Read teams regularly played against strong Idaho Vandal teams up through 1994, and strong Nevada Wolfpack teams up through 1991, and several games against Boise State. Throw in a handful of road games at Kansas State, Fresno State, Louisiana Tech, etc.

 

[hokeyfine]

Since we want to compare Stitt to Read, what will happen if we have these records the next seven years?

1986 Montana 6–4 4–4 4th
1987 Montana 6–5 5–3 3rd
1988 Montana 8–4 6–2 2nd
1989 Montana 11–3 7–1 2nd
1990 Montana 7–4 4–4 4th
1991 Montana 7–4 6–2 T–2nd
1992 Montana 6–5 4–3 T–3rd

But Stitt isn't taking over an early-80's Griz team that was coached by Larry Donovan who collectively won 1 more football game in 6 seasons than Mick Delaney did in 3 seasons. The 80-85 teams weren't very good, Griz football needed an overhaul.

the 70's to 85 weren't a great era for griz football. to put it plainly, they stunk. so brint is exactly right.

 

[Sophmore95]

All the long passes and TD's certainly stick out in Griz fans minds when we remember Don Reed's offense. The thing we forget are the hundreds of shorter timing routes to the sidelines that Dave completed almost like a hand-off. You could almost guarantee Erhardt would make that catch for the big first down on 3rd and 7. That's what pulls up the defensive backs and opens up the long completions. So lets see if Stitt can get the same thing going with this team of Griz. It really comes down to chemistry between the QB and the receivers if we want a return of the Reed style offense. Go Griz!!!!!

 

[coachkenelty]

The more I have watched some film from Stitt's offense, it looks like there can multiple options based on reads. i will bet that as this offense progresses the QB will have the option to give on the sweep motion, keep, or pass option based on defense presented. Wide receivers will have multiple routes depended on defense as well. Read's offense had multipple routes based on D, but the run was not an option but predetermined in huddle.

I don't post often, but when I do it will be football related!

 

[Sundown]

Since we want to compare Stitt to Read, what will happen if we have these records the next seven years?

1986 Montana 6–4 4–4 4th
1987 Montana 6–5 5–3 3rd
1988 Montana 8–4 6–2 2nd
1989 Montana 11–3 7–1 2nd
1990 Montana 7–4 4–4 4th
1991 Montana 7–4 6–2 T–2nd
1992 Montana 6–5 4–3 T–3rd

This.

Somewhat Apples and Oranges comparisons. The Read teams regularly played against strong Idaho Vandal teams up through 1994, and strong Nevada Wolfpack teams up through 1991, and several games against Boise State. Throw in a handful of road games at Kansas State, Fresno State, Louisiana Tech, etc.

I hear that.

 

['68griz]

Since we want to compare Stitt to Read, what will happen if we have these records the next seven years?

1986 Montana 6–4 4–4 4th
1987 Montana 6–5 5–3 3rd
1988 Montana 8–4 6–2 2nd
1989 Montana 11–3 7–1 2nd
1990 Montana 7–4 4–4 4th
1991 Montana 7–4 6–2 T–2nd
1992 Montana 6–5 4–3 T–3rd

This.

Somewhat Apples and Oranges comparisons. The Read teams regularly played against strong Idaho Vandal teams up through 1994, and strong Nevada Wolfpack teams up through 1991, and several games against Boise State. Throw in a handful of road games at Kansas State, Fresno State, Louisiana Tech, etc.

I hear that.

And they also played the likes of Puget Sound and Simon Frasier.

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

I think the main difference is tempo. But Im old school. I love Bobby ball. Play great defense, control the line of scrimmage and run the football, and you will win 90% of your games.

I seem to remember the Griz did pretty well playing Bobby Ball!

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Read had the luxury of having an offense which opponents didn't know how to defend. Sort of like watching one of Paulsen's or Gregorak's defenses trying to defend the triple-option. Now, with the proliferation of spread offenses, defenses can stop this offense. Just watch NDSU do it.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Read had the luxury of having an offense which opponents didn't know how to defend. Sort of like watching one of Paulsen's or Gregorak's defenses trying to defend the triple-option. Now, with the proliferation of spread offenses, defenses can stop this offense. Just watch NDSU do it.

And you are really hoping they will. That is the sad part of your statement. Up to that point you might actually have said something I could agree with. Thanks for saving me from such ignominy.

 

[GrizBear]

Read knew what he was doing, had Dave Dickenson, and put up offensive numbers and scores any video game would be proud of. Read didn't come in with a lot of bluster about his great offensive mind. Read was humble and let his actions do the talking.

Stitt coached for a long time at Colorado School of Mines and wants everyone to think he invented the spread offense.

 

[Yukon]

Read knew what he was doing, had Dave Dickenson, and put up offensive numbers and scores any video game would be proud of. Read didn't come in with a lot of bluster about his great offensive mind. Read was humble and let his actions do the talking.

Stitt coached for a long time at Colorado School of Mines and wants everyone to think he invented the spread offense.

nonsense.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Read had the luxury of having an offense which opponents didn't know how to defend. Sort of like watching one of Paulsen's or Gregorak's defenses trying to defend the triple-option. Now, with the proliferation of spread offenses, defenses can stop this offense. Just watch NDSU do it.

And you are really hoping they will. That is the sad part of your statement. Up to that point you might actually have said something I could agree with. Thanks for saving me from such ignominy.

I tell it like it is, you should know that by now. NDSU is the best team in all of FCS football. We have a very weak O-line. That's all I need to know. Idle hopes and prayers rarely changes reality.

 

[Sundown]

Read knew what he was doing, had Dave Dickenson, and put up offensive numbers and scores any video game would be proud of. Read didn't come in with a lot of bluster about his great offensive mind. Read was humble and let his actions do the talking.

Stitt coached for a long time at Colorado School of Mines and wants everyone to think he invented the spread offense.

Utter crap.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Read knew what he was doing, had Dave Dickenson, and put up offensive numbers and scores any video game would be proud of. Read didn't come in with a lot of bluster about his great offensive mind. Read was humble and let his actions do the talking.

Stitt coached for a long time at Colorado School of Mines and wants everyone to think he invented the spread offense.

GrizBear, you will take a lot of shots for making this post, but you are right on the money. I made a post on Maroonblood stating that Stitt needs to understand that he is VERY LUCKY to be moving up to coach a great program like Montana, and give the bragging about what he has accomplished at Mines a rest! I heard such comments from a very good source which caused me to have concerns. I have never met the man personally, just posting what i have heard.

 

[GrizBear]

PS: If I hear one more time how Stitt "invented" the fly sweep, blood will come shooting out of my eyes.

Geezus, Stitt's lone contribution to the fly sweep was how he mentioned to Dana Holgerson how he should pitch the ball forward when he ran the fly sweep instead of backward. Holgerson has class; he gave Stitt credit for the suggestion. That's it, nothing more.

 

[Huge]

True on the fly sweep but it is just one play in the book. There is a lot more to his system. As far as his overall passing attack, I don't see it being much different then Don Read's methods. 4 wide almost every play with the QB's and WR's reading what the D gives them and adjusting their routs on the go basicly. The one major difference is Stitt's speed of the O. Read never really ran a hurry up from what I can remember.

Yes, it based on the Air raid concepts, add in a few read options & the fly sweep and you can force the defense to defend the whole field. Still calls a "package' rather than a 'Play' which allows the QB to read what the defense is giving him, both before and after the snap. There is an option with each package that will attack whatever scheme the defense uses on that play (man, zone, press, etc)
I think a core value of the system is to make the defender wrong, even if he does what he is suppose to do, he is still wrong (look at the 8:40 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGDvNPDOARY)
Layer in the constant up tempo & and going for it on fourth down to put as much pressure on the defend as possible.

The only reason I see that the scheme MAY have trouble at the higher level is speed, everyone is faster, the play will develop faster. Will the QB be able to process the information correctly, fast enough.

Another way to ask you question might be: why did teams, like the Griz, move away from the Air Raid system?.

Because UM hired a coach that ran a different offense (Joe Glen). The spread passing attack is alive and well in college football. It has evolved some.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

I will make a prediction about coach Stitt. He has enjoyed a long honeymoon period from a Griz fan base salivating for a savior to fix this broken Mercedes. Fans have bought into his promise of a high-scoring offensive juggernaut.

But the expectations are very high, and will probably not be met. I think the honeymoon will be over very quickly, and if we go 7-4 or worse, and offense does not perform up to the expectations, you will see fans turn quicker than Playa Rape chasing an ambulance.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Our problem last year wasn't our defense. Stitt will fix the problem, whether it takes one year or three. Jesus, give the guy a chance! He's not bragging himself up. Hey, GrizBear, show me one quote from Stitt where he's being boastful. You're making that up.