Stitt logic is fuzzy

[Ursus1]

He says converting a 4th down is like a turnover. Actually if converts it is more like a punt/defensive stop/fair caught punt rather than a turnover. In reality you convert and only get ball back at that point, but you have not gained the field position gained from punt. Not converting one that could have resulted in a FG is like a turnover...negative type. No way is the reward worth the risk in the majority of situations. Sure it has it's place...portion of field too long for FG and too short to likely gain much from a punt. High school level is more logical due to lack of field position gained due to poor punting or inability to kick field goals etc. Might be somewhat true it worked at the D2 level, but still do not think it made them national champion contenders . Show me a NFL, FBS coach of a winning program that uses Stitt's gut reaction style on 4th down. Only FBS teams that try a lot of 4th downs are option teams due to their design. He needs to think it over and reevaluate this concept at a top FCS level (considering quality of defenses you face, and ability of punting to change field position and field goal success rates. )

 

[statler & waldorf]

"Fuzzy?" Sugarcoaters gonna be after you like flies on shit. Beware.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

He says converting a 4th down is like a turnover. Actually if converts it is more like a punt/defensive stop/fair caught punt rather than a turnover. In reality you convert and only get ball back at that point, but you have not gained the field position gained from punt. Not converting one that could have resulted in a FG is like a turnover...negative type. No way is the reward worth the risk in the majority of situations. Sure it has it's place...portion of field too long for FG and too short to likely gain much from a punt. High school level is more logical due to lack of field position gained due to poor punting or inability to kick field goals etc. Might be somewhat true it worked at the D2 level, but still do not think it made them national champion contenders . Show me a NFL, FBS coach of a winning program that uses Stitt's gut reaction style on 4th down. Only FBS teams that try a lot of 4th downs are option teams due to their design. He needs to think it over and reevaluate this concept at a top FCS level (considering quality of defenses you face, and ability of punting to change field position and field goal success rates. )

We know NOT converting on 4th down is like a turnover.....

 

[Long Gone]

There are 120 FBS teams, 124 FCS teams and 32 NFL teams. I'm not aware of another coach that uses 4th down logic to the extreme that Stitt does. If that's true (maybe it isn't, I just don't know any other coaches as aggressive as ours) then 275/276 (99.6%) of coaches at the highest levels of football are less aggressive than Stitt.
Innovators that challenge popular convention sometimes change cultures (and are often criticized for trying), and other times they fail. It's too early to know how this plays out for us, but -unless my math is wrong- we are clearly on the very far edge of the bell curve.

 

[BillingsMafia]

Remember Don Read's quick kick on 3rd down when things were really bleak. Opposite of Stitt's going for it on 4th. It would be very interesting to see which philosophy had better results.

 

[GrizRanger]

I have to agree with those who think Stitt takes his 4th down risks too far. You have to kick a field goal on a 4th down with more than 2-3 yards to go when you are in the red zone with a chip shot field goal, and a field goal can mean the difference between winning and losing a game. If Stitt keeps this level of 4th down gambling up Griz will miss the playoffs.

I liked some of his 4th down gambles in the NDSU game, but if you go for it on 90% of 4th downs you will lose more than you win. Stitt has got to wise up.

 

[get'em_griz]

EGriz logic is fuzzy...

 

[reinell30]

I like the aggressiveness of going for it on 4th down when you change what you are doing to do to get the 1st down. The problem with this Stitt offense is it is so predictable. Every team after NDSU knows exactly what we are doing. Failing on 4th down will remain high % because of this predictablity! Remember the halfback pass option? Seen one lately? Oh yeah, Weber did it for a TD. Where are our so called trick plays?

 

[blackfootipa]

I like the aggressiveness of going for it on 4th down when you change what you are doing to do to get the 1st down. The problem with this Stitt offense is it is so predictable. Every team after NDSU knows exactly what we are doing. Failing on 4th down will remain high % because of this predictablity! Remember the halfback pass option? Seen one lately? Oh yeah, Weber did it for a TD. Where are our so called trick plays?

Here we are thinking we have some high flying creative offense and we are watching teams beat us with big trick plays at least once a game.

 

[grizindabox]

I like the aggressiveness of going for it on 4th down when you change what you are doing to do to get the 1st down. The problem with this Stitt offense is it is so predictable. Every team after NDSU knows exactly what we are doing. Failing on 4th down will remain high % because of this predictablity! Remember the halfback pass option? Seen one lately? Oh yeah, Weber did it for a TD. Where are our so called trick plays?

Here we are thinking we have some high flying creative offense and we are watching teams beat us with big trick plays at least once a game.

So where is the outrage about the defense....

 

[reinell30]

I like the aggressiveness of going for it on 4th down when you change what you are doing to do to get the 1st down. The problem with this Stitt offense is it is so predictable. Every team after NDSU knows exactly what we are doing. Failing on 4th down will remain high % because of this predictablity! Remember the halfback pass option? Seen one lately? Oh yeah, Weber did it for a TD. Where are our so called trick plays?

Here we are thinking we have some high flying creative offense and we are watching teams beat us with big trick plays at least once a game.

So where is the outrage about the defense....

The defense is doing outstanding! How many games do they have to hold teams under 20 for us to win? If our offense would arrive, the defense wouldn't get so abused. That said, I believe they are doing a remarkable job under the circumstances...

 

[fanofzoo]

I like the aggressiveness of going for it on 4th down when you change what you are doing to do to get the 1st down. The problem with this Stitt offense is it is so predictable. Every team after NDSU knows exactly what we are doing. Failing on 4th down will remain high % because of this predictablity! Remember the halfback pass option? Seen one lately? Oh yeah, Weber did it for a TD. Where are our so called trick plays?

Here we are thinking we have some high flying creative offense and we are watching teams beat us with big trick plays at least once a game.

So where is the outrage about the defense....

From what I see it's the defense that gives the opportunity to win the games, I think their damn fine.It's the lack of offense that's killing us. Ty for HC