Stitt expectations

[Oline Coach]

The problem I have with hiring Stitt is the expectations here and his historical performance as a HC don't match up....I fully realize coaching at CSM is not fair with their academic standards different than most, but most coaches when they get evaluated for bigger and better jobs are not projected to be better at the new, higher level. Very few coaches get that sort of forward projection, most recent being Lane Kiffin when USC hired him after going a very average 7-6 at Tennessee. Stitt has won ONE playoff game in his career, there is no way to sugarcoat that glaring problem. By contrast, onetime candidate Lance Leipold is 33-1 in the playoffs in his career....having won FIVE national titles, playing for a sixth this week.

The other challenge I foresee is the patience with Griz fans. If next season starts out rocky (which given the schedule it could) I could see a drastic attendance drop.....lots of empty seats at Wash Griz, with those in attendance taking an even longer break at halftime. Those fans with a big drive (30% of season ticket holders drive greater than 100 miles each way) will not renew or come to games. We are one sub 500 season away from 5,000+ open seats per home game.

Those are the concerns I have with the Stitt hire.

So by using your logic, you would have the same questions about Brent Pease or any other candidate that did not have winning head coaching experience?

In my mind, the experience Pease brings with him mutes those issues as does Ty's experience...coordinators get judged on the performance of their side of the ball divided by team performance. Guys with head coaching experience get judged on wins/loses......maybe my issue with Stitt is he is getting evaluated positively as an "offensive coordinator genius" not as a 62% successful head coach.

so you want to use a double standard to evaluate. you want to give BP and TG the benefit of the doubt based on their circumstances (coordinators) but not to Stitt (head coach at an institution that has much higher academic standards which does not allow him to recruit the same players as his peers)

It's not a double standard, it is real world coaching evaluation. Coordinators get the benefit or the blame based on the side of the ball they are responsible for. Head coaches get the benefit or blame for wins and loses.....the guy has only won 62% of the game a in his career! while it's nice that his teams throw for 400 yards/game, they don't win at the clip Griz fans have come to expect and demand. As for the academic standards piece that has been beaten to death, like Bobby used to say, "if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle."

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Assuming Ty G stays (and probably JG and maybe others) I see this as pretty much the same bad ass Griz D as 2014 with the addition of offensive firepower and variation - which is what exactly the beef many egrizzers had with MDs offense. The future is bright. Don't give up your tickets just yet NLGF.

 

[grizindabox]

So by using your logic, you would have the same questions about Brent Pease or any other candidate that did not have winning head coaching experience?

In my mind, the experience Pease brings with him mutes those issues as does Ty's experience...coordinators get judged on the performance of their side of the ball divided by team performance. Guys with head coaching experience get judged on wins/loses......maybe my issue with Stitt is he is getting evaluated positively as an "offensive coordinator genius" not as a 62% successful head coach.

so you want to use a double standard to evaluate. you want to give BP and TG the benefit of the doubt based on their circumstances (coordinators) but not to Stitt (head coach at an institution that has much higher academic standards which does not allow him to recruit the same players as his peers)

It's not a double standard, it is real world coaching evaluation. Coordinators get the benefit or the blame based on the side of the ball they are responsible for. Head coaches get the benefit or blame for wins and loses.....the guy has only won 62% of the game a in his career! while it's nice that his teams throw for 400 yards/game, they don't win at the clip Griz fans have come to expect and demand. As for the academic standards piece that has been beaten to death, like Bobby used to say, "if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle."

Might be just me, but I usually like to take into account all factors and information when making a decision...probably why you are just an O-line coach...

 

[grizatwork]

So by using your logic, you would have the same questions about Brent Pease or any other candidate that did not have winning head coaching experience?

In my mind, the experience Pease brings with him mutes those issues as does Ty's experience...coordinators get judged on the performance of their side of the ball divided by team performance. Guys with head coaching experience get judged on wins/loses......maybe my issue with Stitt is he is getting evaluated positively as an "offensive coordinator genius" not as a 62% successful head coach.

so you want to use a double standard to evaluate. you want to give BP and TG the benefit of the doubt based on their circumstances (coordinators) but not to Stitt (head coach at an institution that has much higher academic standards which does not allow him to recruit the same players as his peers)

It's not a double standard, it is real world coaching evaluation. Coordinators get the benefit or the blame based on the side of the ball they are responsible for. Head coaches get the benefit or blame for wins and loses.....the guy has only won 62% of the game a in his career! while it's nice that his teams throw for 400 yards/game, they don't win at the clip Griz fans have come to expect and demand. As for the academic standards piece that has been beaten to death, like Bobby used to say, "if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle."

Don Read's teams at Portland State did not win at the clip that we have come to expect. He helped get us there. He turned out alright. Up until Dave Dickenson, he didn't win at the clip that would have made you happy either. I think it is you that has the unrealistic expectations.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Using the arguments of the Stitt naysayers the Patriots should have never sniffed at Belichick over his lowly 36-44 record as HC of the lowly Browns and with only one winning season/playoff appearance in 5 years and only one wild card game win in the playoffs. Seems Stitt's players play above their talent levels, just like Belichick's players. I'd like to see if he can do that here as well.

 

[grizpack]

So by using your logic, you would have the same questions about Brent Pease or any other candidate that did not have winning head coaching experience?

In my mind, the experience Pease brings with him mutes those issues as does Ty's experience...coordinators get judged on the performance of their side of the ball divided by team performance. Guys with head coaching experience get judged on wins/loses......maybe my issue with Stitt is he is getting evaluated positively as an "offensive coordinator genius" not as a 62% successful head coach.

so you want to use a double standard to evaluate. you want to give BP and TG the benefit of the doubt based on their circumstances (coordinators) but not to Stitt (head coach at an institution that has much higher academic standards which does not allow him to recruit the same players as his peers)

It's not a double standard, it is real world coaching evaluation. Coordinators get the benefit or the blame based on the side of the ball they are responsible for. Head coaches get the benefit or blame for wins and loses.....the guy has only won 62% of the game a in his career! while it's nice that his teams throw for 400 yards/game, they don't win at the clip Griz fans have come to expect and demand. As for the academic standards piece that has been beaten to death, like Bobby used to say, "if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle."

You may want to go ahead and think your argument all the way throught there Oline coach.... If you think 62% isn't good enough, you surely don't think that 58% is good enough, do you??????




Cause that is Bobby's overall HC record. 95-67.

As you said, head coaches get the benefit of the win or blame for the loses (which actually should be losses ). Can't have it both ways.

 

[NLGrizFan]

Assuming Ty G stays (and probably JG and maybe others) I see this as pretty much the same bad ass Griz D as 2014 with the addition of offensive firepower and variation - which is what exactly the beef many egrizzers had with MDs offense. The future is bright. Don't give up your tickets just yet NLGF.

I'd never give up on the Griz. But them trips sure do get long after a loss. But I look fwd to Sparky's Garage in Butte every time we pass thru!

 

[IdaGriz01]

... It's not a double standard, it is real world coaching evaluation. Coordinators get the benefit or the blame based on the side of the ball they are responsible for. Head coaches get the benefit or blame for wins and loses.....the guy has only won 62% of the game a in his career! while it's nice that his teams throw for 400 yards/game, they don't win at the clip Griz fans have come to expect and demand. As for the academic standards piece that has been beaten to death, ...

Might be just me, but I usually like to take into account all factors and information when making a decision...probably why you are just an O-line coach...

The academic standards point has been beaten to death, because it is a major factor in who you can recruit. From the U.S. News rankings:

Colorado School of Mines
Acceptance rate: 36.4%
The average freshman retention rate: 89.5 percent.
Four-year graduation rate: 38%
98% are engineering (88%) or other technical majors, 2% in the Social “Sciences.”

Grand Valley State (Grand Rapid, Michigan) has been considered the "gold standard" for D-II football, although they've slipped a bit in recent years. Now, Northwest Missouri State is the top dog.

Acceptance: 82.6%, 73.2% [GVS, NW Mo]
Freshman retention: 83%, 67%
Four-year grad: 31, 27%
Most popular majors = Business: 19, 27%

Given its tough academic reputation, only the cream even bother to apply to CSM. Yet nearly two-thirds of those who do apply get turned down. As someone pointed out, top-notch athletes with high enough grades to even consider CSM have endless choices among the elite programs (which need guys like them to spiff up their APR). Bottom line: The talent pool available to CSM, compared to GV Stat or NW Mo State is drastically limited.

BTW, a freshman retention rate at CSM of nearly 90% -- meaning they love the school, despite the tough classes -- is considered outstanding.

Comparison to UM

Acceptance rate: 95.7%
The average freshman retention rate is 73.3 percent.
Four-year graduation rate: 24%
Most popular majors: Business-related 19%

 

[cclarkblues]

I don't know if you can expect immediate huge success the first year or two. After all, it took MD and company 3 years to turn JJ into a pocket passer...

 

[mtgrizrule]

I am very neutral on Stitt. I like to try having an open mind on any new hire. Both sides have legitimate positives and negatives. For me, it is the unknowns that keep me supporting or not supporting Stitt more. Also, for this new hire we have a few unique factors we haven't dealt with before. This time we have a lead candidate, Hauck, who was extremely successful before in the same position. Hauck looks even better now, since his departure we really only had one year which lived up to the lofty standards and expectations the program has earned and built. Rather one loves or hates Hauck, even his critics have to admit, he won and he produced NFL players. With all the factors now, most of us are "comfortable" with Hauck because of his proven winning history at Montana.

As for Stitt, there really is not a lot to go by that screams "Success". For me, the fact that he is spoken and thought of highly within college football circles, makes it easier for me to give him the benefit of the doubt. I also feel one of Haslam's strengths is having a realistic grasp of GRIZ fans. As we have witnessed on EGRIZ, the majority of fans have been critical and disappointed with inconsistent offense with inconsistent results. GRIZ NATION got a brief taste of a great offense in Pflugrad's short time here. That offense got our fans excited and supportive again. There was a great vibe and feeling between the fans and program again. Being the return of Pflu won't happen, even if Haslam were 100% behind his return, Engstrom and the BOR would never let it happen. Knowing that, it makes sense to find a new head coach that could bring back some of what Pflu was doing. Unfortunately, most candidates who fit that profile just cannot be afforded. Stitt is one of the few that fit the mold, and affordable.

Stitt is innovative. Innovative minds are often extremely successful or fall short, there really is not much of a middle ground. There is not a safety net if one falls short of expectations. Chances are likely Haslam will be putting his butt on the line, if Stitt is the new coach. On the other hand, if Stitt is extremely successful, this builds Haslam's resume for the better. It is hard to not think "What if Stitt is the next Urban Meyer, Chip Kelly, or Bill Walsh?" I have faith in Haslam, there is no reason for me not to put faith in him. I also will take the word of college football coaches over what any egriz poster thinks regarding Stitt.

It is much too soon in the process to evaluate Stitt or any new coach now. We have to give it time. We also have to realistically expect some growing pains in the transition, regardless of who the new coach is. The evaluation starts as soon as the new coach is hired. I just don't see how anyone can proclaim what Stitt is, or is not at this stage. Let's get real people and judge as he gives us things to evaluate him or any coach by.

I will support any new hire. I just want it announced where we can move forward..

 

[mondayamqb]

Creatively mix and match uniform colors with helmets.

 

[grizindabox]

I am very neutral on Stitt. I like to try having an open mind on any new hire. Both sides have legitimate positives and negatives. For me, it is the unknowns that keep me supporting or not supporting Stitt more. Also, for this new hire we have a few unique factors we haven't dealt with before. This time we have a lead candidate, Hauck, who was extremely successful before in the same position. Hauck looks even better now, since his departure we really only had one year which lived up to the lofty standards and expectations the program has earned and built. Rather one loves or hates Hauck, even his critics have to admit, he won and he produced NFL players. With all the factors now, most of us are "comfortable" with Hauck because of his proven winning history at Montana.

As for Stitt, there really is not a lot to go by that screams "Success". For me, the fact that he is spoken and thought of highly within college football circles, makes it easier for me to give him the benefit of the doubt. I also feel one of Haslam's strengths is having a realistic grasp of GRIZ fans. As we have witnessed on EGRIZ, the majority of fans have been critical and disappointed with inconsistent offense with inconsistent results. GRIZ NATION got a brief taste of a great offense in Pflugrad's short time here. That offense got our fans excited and supportive again. There was a great vibe and feeling between the fans and program again. Being the return of Pflu won't happen, even if Haslam were 100% behind his return, Engstrom and the BOR would never let it happen. Knowing that, it makes sense to find a new head coach that could bring back some of what Pflu was doing. Unfortunately, most candidates who fit that profile just cannot be afforded. Stitt is one of the few that fit the mold, and affordable.

Stitt is innovative. Innovative minds are often extremely successful or fall short, there really is not much of a middle ground. There is not a safety net if one falls short of expectations. Chances are likely Haslam will be putting his butt on the line, if Stitt is the new coach. On the other hand, if Stitt is extremely successful, this builds Haslam's resume for the better. It is hard to not think "What if Stitt is the next Urban Meyer, Chip Kelly, or Bill Walsh?" I have faith in Haslam, there is no reason for me not to put faith in him. I also will take the word of college football coaches over what any egriz poster thinks regarding Stitt.

It is much too soon in the process to evaluate Stitt or any new coach now. We have to give it time. We also have to realistically expect some growing pains in the transition, regardless of who the new coach is. The evaluation starts as soon as the new coach is hired. I just don't see how anyone can proclaim what Stitt is, or is not at this stage. Let's get real people and judge as he gives us things to evaluate him or any coach by.

I will support any new hire. I just want it announced where we can move forward..

says who?

 

[Umista]

You all know by now that I am full of Stitt. Yes indeed, best coaching hire since Don Read!

Brings fun and excitement back to Griz football. Tell Stitt he can't do it and he will find a way to make you wrong. I have had two past head coaches tell me we will love this new coach. Another coach still working also has very high praise for Stitt. I am on the Stitt Band wagon. I am happy as Stitt.

 

[SLC Griz]

I will support any coach that Haslam chooses, but there sure are a lot of "if's" with Stitt, that are just not there with Bobby. We know exactly what we are going to get with Hauck - Big Sky Championships, deep playoff runs, probable NC appearances.

Stitt could be the next Urban Meyer, but if he is not, there are going ot be a lot of unhappy fans/doners/etc. It could potentially put our program back a couple of years.

If you think about it, what is the "best case" scenario with Stitt in his first (2-3 years)... A National Championship appearance? We were already getting those with Hauck, (with a less than stellar offense).

There is no such thing as a "sure thing" but I think Bobby is certainly more of a sure thing than Stitt is at this point.

Go Griz!

 

[mtgrizrule]

I am very neutral on Stitt. I like to try having an open mind on any new hire. Both sides have legitimate positives and negatives. For me, it is the unknowns that keep me supporting or not supporting Stitt more. Also, for this new hire we have a few unique factors we haven't dealt with before. This time we have a lead candidate, Hauck, who was extremely successful before in the same position. Hauck looks even better now, since his departure we really only had one year which lived up to the lofty standards and expectations the program has earned and built. Rather one loves or hates Hauck, even his critics have to admit, he won and he produced NFL players. With all the factors now, most of us are "comfortable" with Hauck because of his proven winning history at Montana.

As for Stitt, there really is not a lot to go by that screams "Success". For me, the fact that he is spoken and thought of highly within college football circles, makes it easier for me to give him the benefit of the doubt. I also feel one of Haslam's strengths is having a realistic grasp of GRIZ fans. As we have witnessed on EGRIZ, the majority of fans have been critical and disappointed with inconsistent offense with inconsistent results. GRIZ NATION got a brief taste of a great offense in Pflugrad's short time here. That offense got our fans excited and supportive again. There was a great vibe and feeling between the fans and program again. Being the return of Pflu won't happen, even if Haslam were 100% behind his return, Engstrom and the BOR would never let it happen. Knowing that, it makes sense to find a new head coach that could bring back some of what Pflu was doing. Unfortunately, most candidates who fit that profile just cannot be afforded. Stitt is one of the few that fit the mold, and affordable.

Stitt is innovative. Innovative minds are often extremely successful or fall short, there really is not much of a middle ground. There is not a safety net if one falls short of expectations. Chances are likely Haslam will be putting his butt on the line, if Stitt is the new coach. On the other hand, if Stitt is extremely successful, this builds Haslam's resume for the better. It is hard to not think "What if Stitt is the next Urban Meyer, Chip Kelly, or Bill Walsh?" I have faith in Haslam, there is no reason for me not to put faith in him. I also will take the word of college football coaches over what any egriz poster thinks regarding Stitt.

It is much too soon in the process to evaluate Stitt or any new coach now. We have to give it time. We also have to realistically expect some growing pains in the transition, regardless of who the new coach is. The evaluation starts as soon as the new coach is hired. I just don't see how anyone can proclaim what Stitt is, or is not at this stage. Let's get real people and judge as he gives us things to evaluate him or any coach by.

I will support any new hire. I just want it announced where we can move forward..

says who?

Dispute his record as GRIZ coach if you'd like. It is a free world. Boy, you have been a pain in the ass the last few weeks. :lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

GrizRule, you long post is quite good.

 

[mtgrizrule]

GrizRule, you long post is quite good.

Hard for me to bash or get on the bandwagon, when I don't know the guy at all. I do expect some growing pains with a new coach at any sport at any level. Thanks man. :thumb:

 

[grizindabox]

I am very neutral on Stitt. I like to try having an open mind on any new hire. Both sides have legitimate positives and negatives. For me, it is the unknowns that keep me supporting or not supporting Stitt more. Also, for this new hire we have a few unique factors we haven't dealt with before. This time we have a lead candidate, Hauck, who was extremely successful before in the same position. Hauck looks even better now, since his departure we really only had one year which lived up to the lofty standards and expectations the program has earned and built. Rather one loves or hates Hauck, even his critics have to admit, he won and he produced NFL players. With all the factors now, most of us are "comfortable" with Hauck because of his proven winning history at Montana.

As for Stitt, there really is not a lot to go by that screams "Success". For me, the fact that he is spoken and thought of highly within college football circles, makes it easier for me to give him the benefit of the doubt. I also feel one of Haslam's strengths is having a realistic grasp of GRIZ fans. As we have witnessed on EGRIZ, the majority of fans have been critical and disappointed with inconsistent offense with inconsistent results. GRIZ NATION got a brief taste of a great offense in Pflugrad's short time here. That offense got our fans excited and supportive again. There was a great vibe and feeling between the fans and program again. Being the return of Pflu won't happen, even if Haslam were 100% behind his return, Engstrom and the BOR would never let it happen. Knowing that, it makes sense to find a new head coach that could bring back some of what Pflu was doing. Unfortunately, most candidates who fit that profile just cannot be afforded. Stitt is one of the few that fit the mold, and affordable.

Stitt is innovative. Innovative minds are often extremely successful or fall short, there really is not much of a middle ground. There is not a safety net if one falls short of expectations. Chances are likely Haslam will be putting his butt on the line, if Stitt is the new coach. On the other hand, if Stitt is extremely successful, this builds Haslam's resume for the better. It is hard to not think "What if Stitt is the next Urban Meyer, Chip Kelly, or Bill Walsh?" I have faith in Haslam, there is no reason for me not to put faith in him. I also will take the word of college football coaches over what any egriz poster thinks regarding Stitt.

It is much too soon in the process to evaluate Stitt or any new coach now. We have to give it time. We also have to realistically expect some growing pains in the transition, regardless of who the new coach is. The evaluation starts as soon as the new coach is hired. I just don't see how anyone can proclaim what Stitt is, or is not at this stage. Let's get real people and judge as he gives us things to evaluate him or any coach by.

I will support any new hire. I just want it announced where we can move forward..

says who?

Dispute his record as GRIZ coach if you'd like. It is a free world. Boy, you have been a pain in the ass the last few weeks. :lol:

that does not mean he is the LEAD candidate...and I actually think his past Griz history worked against him...seems Haslem wants to move in a new direction...

 

[mtgrizrule]

I am very neutral on Stitt. I like to try having an open mind on any new hire. Both sides have legitimate positives and negatives. For me, it is the unknowns that keep me supporting or not supporting Stitt more. Also, for this new hire we have a few unique factors we haven't dealt with before. This time we have a lead candidate, Hauck, who was extremely successful before in the same position. Hauck looks even better now, since his departure we really only had one year which lived up to the lofty standards and expectations the program has earned and built. Rather one loves or hates Hauck, even his critics have to admit, he won and he produced NFL players. With all the factors now, most of us are "comfortable" with Hauck because of his proven winning history at Montana.

As for Stitt, there really is not a lot to go by that screams "Success". For me, the fact that he is spoken and thought of highly within college football circles, makes it easier for me to give him the benefit of the doubt. I also feel one of Haslam's strengths is having a realistic grasp of GRIZ fans. As we have witnessed on EGRIZ, the majority of fans have been critical and disappointed with inconsistent offense with inconsistent results. GRIZ NATION got a brief taste of a great offense in Pflugrad's short time here. That offense got our fans excited and supportive again. There was a great vibe and feeling between the fans and program again. Being the return of Pflu won't happen, even if Haslam were 100% behind his return, Engstrom and the BOR would never let it happen. Knowing that, it makes sense to find a new head coach that could bring back some of what Pflu was doing. Unfortunately, most candidates who fit that profile just cannot be afforded. Stitt is one of the few that fit the mold, and affordable.

Stitt is innovative. Innovative minds are often extremely successful or fall short, there really is not much of a middle ground. There is not a safety net if one falls short of expectations. Chances are likely Haslam will be putting his butt on the line, if Stitt is the new coach. On the other hand, if Stitt is extremely successful, this builds Haslam's resume for the better. It is hard to not think "What if Stitt is the next Urban Meyer, Chip Kelly, or Bill Walsh?" I have faith in Haslam, there is no reason for me not to put faith in him. I also will take the word of college football coaches over what any egriz poster thinks regarding Stitt.

It is much too soon in the process to evaluate Stitt or any new coach now. We have to give it time. We also have to realistically expect some growing pains in the transition, regardless of who the new coach is. The evaluation starts as soon as the new coach is hired. I just don't see how anyone can proclaim what Stitt is, or is not at this stage. Let's get real people and judge as he gives us things to evaluate him or any coach by.

I will support any new hire. I just want it announced where we can move forward..

says who?

Dispute his record as GRIZ coach if you'd like. It is a free world. Boy, you have been a pain in the ass the last few weeks. :lol:

that does not mean he is the LEAD candidate...and I actually think his past Griz history worked against him...seems Haslem wants to move in a new direction...

From what I have heard, yes he is/was a lead candidate, top 3 candidate. It really won't matter if he isn't hired. I agree that Haslem and Engstrom favor a new direction. Then again, we will likely find out more later this week.

 

[jodcon]

I almost wish they would hire somebody completely from left field that wasn't mentioned on here once to watch everybody freak out about being in the dark the whole time.

Almost.