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Stitt 2nd and 1 to go

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grizare#1

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Well crap!!! 2016 will go down as a disappointment for all of us, those 17 seniors for sure as their season was cut short which Griz are not accustom to. I don't remember a more head scratching year than this one, the way we seemed to be world beaters one week to losing by one point the next. Loosing games that simply should not have been lost to putting up unreal numbers the next. Winning almost every game convincingly on the stat board but not the score board.
A common theme the second half of the season seemed to be simply coming out flat, no emotion, no excitement, no clue. Instead of getting better and building each week which you want to see, the team just kept going backwards. The Offense seemed to play good enough in most games to win but the D just could not stop anyone the second half of the season, for sure away from WGS.
It sounds cliche but there does not seem to be any "EYE OF THE TIGER" in the team or coaches, at least on the field.
I would concede that we are a fairly young team across the board and that will get better next year now that Stitt can go shopping for a full compliment of recruits with the NCAA sanctions over.
We can all see at times how this offensive system can score quick and often when its rolling and is fun to watch, but you better have an incredible D when it isn't.
I will give Bob Stitt and the current staff along with the current players support this coming season, as I think we all should, but he has to know it is a make or break year for him and this direction.
I don't put the current situation totally on Stitt. If you look at EWU, they have had the same staff for the most part since 2008. Since 2009 we are on our 4th HC, yes that is right 4th, Bobby, Robin, Mick and now Stitt, all with different schemes and philosophies on how to win. How could you expect any team to be consistent when you average 2+ years of players you did not recruit to play your system.
It will all come down to next season which has already started as I'm sure the staff are on the road visiting possible recruits. I don't think Stitt needs to be told he is on the hot seat,"which I just did" he knows, may not want to talk about it in public but he knows, Halsem knows too.
Lets all hope to see a great incoming class and build on what we can from this year to next
GO GRIZ
 
grizare#1 said:
Well crap!!! 2016 will go down as a disappointment for all of us, those 17 seniors for sure as their season was cut short which Griz are not accustom to. I don't remember a more head scratching year than this one, the way we seemed to be world beaters one week to losing by one point the next. Loosing games that simply should not have been lost to putting up unreal numbers the next. Winning almost every game convincingly on the stat board but not the score board.
A common theme the second half of the season seemed to be simply coming out flat, no emotion, no excitement, no clue. Instead of getting better and building each week which you want to see, the team just kept going backwards. The Offense seemed to play good enough in most games to win but the D just could not stop anyone the second half of the season, for sure away from WGS.
It sounds cliche but there does not seem to be any "EYE OF THE TIGER" in the team or coaches, at least on the field.
I would concede that we are a fairly young team across the board and that will get better next year now that Stitt can go shopping for a full compliment of recruits with the NCAA sanctions over.
We can all see at times how this offensive system can score quick and often when its rolling and is fun to watch, but you better have an incredible D when it isn't.
I will give Bob Stitt and the current staff along with the current players support this coming season, as I think we all should, but he has to know it is a make or break year for him and this direction.
I don't put the current situation totally on Stitt. If you look at EWU, they have had the same staff for the most part since 2008. Since 2009 we are on our 4th HC, yes that is right 4th, Bobby, Robin, Mick and now Stitt, all with different schemes and philosophies on how to win. How could you expect any team to be consistent when you average 2+ years of players you did not recruit to play your system.
It will all come down to next season which has already started as I'm sure the staff are on the road visiting possible recruits. I don't think Stitt needs to be told he is on the hot seat,"which I just did" he knows, may not want to talk about it in public but he knows, Halsem knows too.
Lets all hope to see a great incoming class and build on what we can from this year to next
GO GRIZ
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Not necessarily true. There is very real talk of an extension being offered this summer. If he signs it, he won't be fired for however long that extension is. Might only be a 1-year extension. I don't know the details, but there is already an extension looming, and if he signs it, he will not be fired during it. As someone pointed out earlier, Montana is not going to pay a coach not to coach.
 
havgrizfan said:
Not necessarily true. There is very real talk of an extension being offered this summer. If he signs it, he won't be fired for however long that extension is. Might only be a 1-year extension. I don't know the details, but there is already an extension looming, and if he signs it, he will not be fired during it. As someone pointed out earlier, Montana is not going to pay a coach not to coach.
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It's called "good money after bad." It is entirely consistent with the management style in place. It is the theory of protecting "sunk costs" whereas any good businessman knows you don't make future economic decisions based on "sunk costs."
 
grizare#1 said:
Well crap!!! 2016 will go down as a disappointment for all of us, those 17 seniors for sure as their season was cut short which Griz are not accustom to.
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Some of us raised the red flag on this character after the Cal Poly game last year.
 
UMGriz75 said:
havgrizfan said:
Not necessarily true. There is very real talk of an extension being offered this summer. If he signs it, he won't be fired for however long that extension is. Might only be a 1-year extension. I don't know the details, but there is already an extension looming, and if he signs it, he will not be fired during it. As someone pointed out earlier, Montana is not going to pay a coach not to coach.
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It's called "good money after bad." It is entirely consistent with the management style in place. It is the theory of protecting "sunk costs" whereas any good businessman knows you don't make future economic decisions based on "sunk costs."
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We'll see how it plays out. I'm not arguing with you anymore. All I know is that an extension is going to be offered before his three-year deal is over, and possibly well before. That is a fact. What happens after that, we'll wait and see.
 
Stitt.....outsmarted, out coached, out matched...........

Two years in and not ready for prime time.

Training wheels on for one more go?
 
Anyone contemplating an extension right now wasn't paying attention to what's gone on this last half of the season. My hope is that Haslam is carefully evaluating what happened & getting facts to make an assessment from. I don't have a clue as to what he'll find, but he should be asking a lot of questions before he doubles down on his career.
 
havgrizfan said:
Not necessarily true. There is very real talk of an extension being offered this summer. If he signs it, he won't be fired for however long that extension is. Might only be a 1-year extension. I don't know the details, but there is already an extension looming, and if he signs it, he will not be fired during it. As someone pointed out earlier, Montana is not going to pay a coach not to coach.
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it's hard to tell if you are full-on delusional or just plain nuts. Ash signed an extension. He got fired. Pflu was on contract. He got fired. You are probably the single biggest source of outright disinformation about "sports" in Montana journalism.
 
Pretty damning evidence when Choate basically states that their continued use of the 2 point stance leaves them vulnerable to the run, so that is what they did. No adjustment by Semore
 
putter said:
Pretty damning evidence when Choate basically states that their continued use of the 2 point stance leaves them vulnerable to the run, so that is what they did. No adjustment by Semore
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...this..combined with no discipline...
...placed directly on the shoulders of the coach...
...this amounts to waste of the kids time..and waste of our money...
...give stitt alittle more time..take a real hard look at that defensive coach...

... :shock: ...
 
UMGriz75 said:
havgrizfan said:
Not necessarily true. There is very real talk of an extension being offered this summer. If he signs it, he won't be fired for however long that extension is. Might only be a 1-year extension. I don't know the details, but there is already an extension looming, and if he signs it, he will not be fired during it. As someone pointed out earlier, Montana is not going to pay a coach not to coach.
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it's hard to tell if you are full-on delusional or just plain nuts. Ash signed an extension. He got fired. Pflu was on contract. He got fired. You are probably the single biggest source of outright disinformation about "sports" in Montana journalism.
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The buy-out isn't a huge deal, if the decision to terminate is made. That money is usually raised very quickly with a few phone calls. The problem with giving an extension is that you risk prolonging the current downslide. If you think it can be turned around, you probably offer the extension to keep that argument from being used in recruiting. I am fine with Kent offering a series of 1 year extensions as long as he is also willing to cut bait, if that needs to be done.

I was a supporter. I still support the staff and team. However, I have deep concerns.
 
what is the thought behind an extension??? Its not like some other school is going to steal him away; your friend, yogi
 
I am still for giving Stitt more time, but an extension offer should not be made this summer. But if it is, then the contract should have performance conditions for 2017 that apply and allow for termination if conditions are not met.
 
yogi said:
what is the thought behind an extension??? Its not like some other school is going to steal him away; your friend, yogi
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Recruits. If a recruit is told by another coach that Stitt isn't guaranteed to be there the next year because he has no extention, a kid can wonder if the coach he wants to play for(Stitt) will be gone early into his career.
 
Allezchat said:
yogi said:
what is the thought behind an extension??? Its not like some other school is going to steal him away; your friend, yogi
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Recruits. If a recruit is told by another coach that Stitt isn't guaranteed to be there the next year because he has no extention, a kid can wonder if the coach he wants to play for(Stitt) will be gone early into his career.
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If the recruit reviews the season just over and reads Stitt's press conferences, wouldn't he more likely to want to be recruited if Stitt was gone? Is there a plausible argument that a recruit would want to play for Stitt?

The sycophants have to get over Stitt: this season end collapse followed by one of the worst losses in UM history to the worst Cat team in 30 years in "our house" is getting plenty of attention from potential recruits, high school coaches and parents. Stitt was a high-profile hire and the downside of that is a high-profile failure.

In particular, Jeff Choate's careful and public evisceration of Stitt's coaching skills as documented in the press and on the field has changed entirely the dynamic between UM and MSU in the recruiting battles.

And Ty Gregorak's very public transfer to Bozo, and Stitt's continued yapping about the "D" and the locker room while TG was here managed to give more publicity to the spat than it deserved. Ty was a gentleman, Stitt wasn't. Thanks Bob! Bob picked a fight, made it personal and he very publicly just lost it. Who are the kids going to listen to as a credible recruiter now?

As I have mentioned, Stitt's judgment on just about everything is about as poor as I have ever seen in sports, let alone at UM.
 
zengriz said:
putter said:
Pretty damning evidence when Choate basically states that their continued use of the 2 point stance leaves them vulnerable to the run, so that is what they did. No adjustment by Semore
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...this..combined with no discipline...
...placed directly on the shoulders of the coach...
...this amounts to waste of the kids time..and waste of our money...
...give stitt alittle more time..take a real hard look at that defensive coach...

... :shock: ...
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should have been lower kids....I'm not sure D line coach should be coaching the D line.

We lost Legi in the offseason as our D line coach. He did good things here at Montana....built our defensive line, and his coaching was a reflection in Holmes, Kidder, Takai, and Wagenmann and others. We are missing that power in our D line for sure.
 
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