starting qb

[RobGriz]

Less fast paced I would assume. That was the strength two years ago, I don't understand why you would go away from that?

Because MD learned football in the 50's when Nebraska and 90% of the country ran 3 yards and a cloud of dust football, not this new fangled 'spread' stuff. And, by God, if it worked in 52 it will work now don't ya know.

That and a great D and you have........NDSU......ALAMBAMA. Still can work with the right people.

+1 Bisongriz...some of these guys are going to split the atom, or patent cold fusion. Just ask them. :roll: It matters very little what type of offense or defense you run as long as the personnel can run the f.....g system. :evil: The coaches need to implement a solid game plan, and call a good game or you can still get your a$$ beat. While it will always be a Q.B. driven game, (tmac can't throw, and ssh can't run) if your serviceable you can still get the job done. In case you haven't noticed zibs here have difficulty criticizing a player and pile on the sugar...even after below .500 and some dogsh!t performances. NAU...lots of soul searching needed after that abortion. uke: It's still about blocking and tackling and it will stay that way as long as we're still tackling for down and distance.The ALABAMA reference is a sphere to the bullseye. We should be able to deliver the same talent on scale vs that example. :new: but you're stupid.

And there in lies the problem.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

I hated when the Cats ran that stupid ass hurry up offense and then everyone would stand up and look to the sideline for an eternity. It pretty much nullified the point of the hurry up offense because the clock would run down just the same! If you are going to call a play from the sideline anyways, why does everyone have to be lined up? Drove me naners...

Was that the way it was in Bozeman back in '11? Now how could the scats accuse the Griz of stealing signals if the scats on the field couldn't get them right? :shock:

 

[rimrockgriz]

Because MD learned football in the 50's when Nebraska and 90% of the country ran 3 yards and a cloud of dust football, not this new fangled 'spread' stuff. And, by God, if it worked in 52 it will work now don't ya know.

That and a great D and you have........NDSU......ALAMBAMA. Still can work with the right people.

+1 Bisongriz...some of these guys are going to split the atom, or patent cold fusion. Just ask them. :roll: It matters very little what type of offense or defense you run as long as the personnel can run the f.....g system. :evil: The coaches need to implement a solid game plan, and call a good game or you can still get your a$$ beat. While it will always be a Q.B. driven game, (tmac can't throw, and ssh can't run) if your serviceable you can still get the job done. In case you haven't noticed zibs here have difficulty criticizing a player and pile on the sugar...even after below .500 and some dogsh!t performances. NAU...lots of soul searching needed after that abortion. uke: It's still about blocking and tackling and it will stay that way as long as we're still tackling for down and distance.The ALABAMA reference is a sphere to the bullseye. We should be able to deliver the same talent on scale vs that example. :new: but you're stupid.

And there in lies the problem.

So the S. Utah fake punt...(grade schoolers knew it was probably coming) INCREDIBLE arrogance or ignorance?? I still can't put myself on that level and won't be able to... :ditto:

 

[OptimusPrime]

I hated when the Cats ran that stupid ass hurry up offense and then everyone would stand up and look to the sideline for an eternity. It pretty much nullified the point of the hurry up offense because the clock would run down just the same! If you are going to call a play from the sideline anyways, why does everyone have to be lined up? Drove me naners...

Was that the way it was in Bozeman back in '11? Now how could the scats accuse the Griz of stealing signals if the scats on the field couldn't get them right? :shock:

Where did I say that was the case?

 

[uofmman1122]

Less fast paced I would assume. That was the strength two years ago, I don't understand why you would go away from that?

Because MD learned football in the 50's when Nebraska and 90% of the country ran 3 yards and a cloud of dust football, not this new fangled 'spread' stuff. And, by God, if it worked in 52 it will work now don't ya know.

That and a great D and you have........NDSU......ALAMBAMA. Still can work with the right people.

Sure...if you recruit for that offense. The majority of players on our offense were recruited for Pflu's which is similar to Oregons offense and I would say they have been pretty successful. Come to think of it we were pretty successful with it after we got the pieces in place.

This.

Yes, Hauck's offense was great, NDSU runs a great offense for their style, just like Alabama, but they are/were built for that, and how well do you think Oregon would do if they went under center and tried a more pro style with the personnel they have now?

That's us this year. Let's hope the coaches know what they're doing. :x

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

I think the notion that we just recruit players that fit our system isn't real accurate. For the most part I think the makeup of our roster would look very similar even if we were running a pro style offense in the recent past. These coaching staffs are looking to recruit the very best players they can get their hands on, not going out and trying to find puzzle pieces. The only difference in makeup you might find are at the QB and RB positions, but even then Phlu still recruited players like Gustafson, SSH, Hagfors, and Counts who really aren't that "Oregon Spread" style of player.

The roster that we have could succeed in either style of offense. It's really more about player development, game planning, and execution than it is "system building".

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

I hated when the Cats ran that stupid ass hurry up offense and then everyone would stand up and look to the sideline for an eternity. It pretty much nullified the point of the hurry up offense because the clock would run down just the same! If you are going to call a play from the sideline anyways, why does everyone have to be lined up? Drove me naners...

Was that the way it was in Bozeman back in '11? Now how could the scats accuse the Griz of stealing signals if the scats on the field couldn't get them right? :shock:

Where did I say that was the case?

Well, m-a-y-b-e not you in particular but there must have been some dissension about, otherwise I wouldn't know where it all came from < http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=54295" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[rimrockgriz]

I think the notion that we just recruit players that fit our system isn't real accurate. For the most part I think the makeup of our roster would look very similar even if we were running a pro style offense in the recent past. These coaching staffs are looking to recruit the very best players they can get their hands on, not going out and trying to find puzzle pieces. The only difference in makeup you might find are at the QB and RB positions, but even then Phlu still recruited players like Gustafson, SSH, Hagfors, and Counts who really aren't that "Oregon Spread" style of player.

The roster that we have could succeed in either style of offense. It's really more about player development, game planning, and execution than it is "system building".

+1 Highline..in one short paragraph you've just blown up a room of self purported football scientists. Trust me you've desecrated them all over the wall :grenade: . Pflu recruiting "Gustaf" at "Q" blows up all of their ideologies of grandeur. Football players make plays.... and posers look good but can't intercept or make a play on a helium ball launched by N.D. last year...or can't shed a block on right power vs N.A.U. last year. I'm starting to sound like a broken record. YOU ADJUST YOUR TEAM FOR THE PLAYERS YOU ARE ABLE TO F>>>>>G SIGN :evil: :evil: I need to take a dumb pill so I can feel better :dead:

 

[retiredfan]

Face it, this is JJ's team. In Ronan it was windy as hell at times with big time gusts. Played havoc with the passing game. It appeared some of the " rust " has fallen off. We will be fine come the end of August in my opinion.

 

[GrizDDS]

The offense is still largely from the shotgun, but the qb is also under center sometimes. It looks like its a huddle offense now.

Less fast paced I would assume. That was the strength two years ago, I don't understand why you would go away from that?

The coaches seem to not know how to run it, or they feel more comfortable running a huddle up offense.

If it works, yay, but I don't have much confidence after seeing the changes.

I hated when the Cats ran that stupid ass hurry up offense and then everyone would stand up and look to the sideline for an eternity. It pretty much nullified the point of the hurry up offense because the clock would run down just the same! If you are going to call a play from the sideline anyways, why does everyone have to be lined up? Drove me naners...

That sounds like the "hurry up and wait" kind of offense that Peyton Manning runs with Denver. No huddle, but they don't leave a lot of time on the play clock. If the offense doesn't substitute and is in formation, then the defense can't sub players. The offense will quick snap and get a 12th man penalty or face a defense that is grossly out of position to defend. Not rushing the snap allows all the offensive players to be on the same page, allow time to audible, etc. My understanding is that it kind of combines the best of both worlds of huddle vs no-huddle.

 

[getgrizzy]

Less fast paced I would assume. That was the strength two years ago, I don't understand why you would go away from that?

The coaches seem to not know how to run it, or they feel more comfortable running a huddle up offense.

If it works, yay, but I don't have much confidence after seeing the changes.

I hated when the Cats ran that stupid ass hurry up offense and then everyone would stand up and look to the sideline for an eternity. It pretty much nullified the point of the hurry up offense because the clock would run down just the same! If you are going to call a play from the sideline anyways, why does everyone have to be lined up? Drove me naners...

That sounds like the "hurry up and wait" kind of offense that Peyton Manning runs with Denver. No huddle, but they don't leave a lot of time on the play clock. If the offense doesn't substitute and is in formation, then the defense can't sub players. The offense will quick snap and get a 12th man penalty or face a defense that is grossly out of position to defend. Not rushing the snap allows all the offensive players to be on the same page, allow time to audible, etc. My understanding is that it kind of combines the best of both worlds of huddle vs no-huddle.

correct. o.p. doesn't no the difference and he's been watching it for three years. wow.

 

[NotForLong]

Coaching for almost a quarter of a century and seeing the newest trends/fads it comes down to the ability to execute high powered offenses from both positions. In a great deal of successful programs through out the country, college and Pro, the 60/40 split of shotgun to undercenter(read option) is imperative. Defiencies at either promp much needed work to ensure success. It's April and 6 month's of work will make a huge difference. Biggest concern: Read Option going left on a throw to a second crossing receiver. If that can't get executed defenses are loading up, the offense is only executed out of the shotgun and under center is run only. Watch the number of successful pass plays running left longer that 8-11 yards. Go Griz.

Last question, In concideration for the FBS is the University support staff (quality performance based personell) ready? There is more to this that Scholarships and $$

 

[OptimusPrime]

The coaches seem to not know how to run it, or they feel more comfortable running a huddle up offense.

If it works, yay, but I don't have much confidence after seeing the changes.

I hated when the Cats ran that stupid ass hurry up offense and then everyone would stand up and look to the sideline for an eternity. It pretty much nullified the point of the hurry up offense because the clock would run down just the same! If you are going to call a play from the sideline anyways, why does everyone have to be lined up? Drove me naners...

That sounds like the "hurry up and wait" kind of offense that Peyton Manning runs with Denver. No huddle, but they don't leave a lot of time on the play clock. If the offense doesn't substitute and is in formation, then the defense can't sub players. The offense will quick snap and get a 12th man penalty or face a defense that is grossly out of position to defend. Not rushing the snap allows all the offensive players to be on the same page, allow time to audible, etc. My understanding is that it kind of combines the best of both worlds of huddle vs no-huddle.

correct. o.p. doesn't no the difference and he's been watching it for three years. wow.

I guess I don't "no" the difference. Man, what a dummy I must be!

 

[getgrizzy]

I hated when the Cats ran that stupid ass hurry up offense and then everyone would stand up and look to the sideline for an eternity. It pretty much nullified the point of the hurry up offense because the clock would run down just the same! If you are going to call a play from the sideline anyways, why does everyone have to be lined up? Drove me naners...

That sounds like the "hurry up and wait" kind of offense that Peyton Manning runs with Denver. No huddle, but they don't leave a lot of time on the play clock. If the offense doesn't substitute and is in formation, then the defense can't sub players. The offense will quick snap and get a 12th man penalty or face a defense that is grossly out of position to defend. Not rushing the snap allows all the offensive players to be on the same page, allow time to audible, etc. My understanding is that it kind of combines the best of both worlds of huddle vs no-huddle.

correct. o.p. doesn't no the difference and he's been watching it for three years. wow.

I guess I don't "no" the difference. Man, what a dummy I must be!

:lol: ya got me!

 

[getgrizzy]

getting back to qbs here's our last five...

ssh/mckinney - 129.8
jj - 133.5
roper - 133.1
selle - 157.3+
bergy - 152.8+
+led to chipper

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

That sounds like the "hurry up and wait" kind of offense that Peyton Manning runs with Denver. No huddle, but they don't leave a lot of time on the play clock. If the offense doesn't substitute and is in formation, then the defense can't sub players. The offense will quick snap and get a 12th man penalty or face a defense that is grossly out of position to defend. Not rushing the snap allows all the offensive players to be on the same page, allow time to audible, etc. My understanding is that it kind of combines the best of both worlds of huddle vs no-huddle.

correct. o.p. doesn't no the difference and he's been watching it for three years. wow.

I guess I don't "no" the difference. Man, what a dummy I must be!

:lol: ya got me!

Hmmm, maybe they hurried to the line, and if the D wasn't set, or was in a favorable initial formation, they could quick snap the ball, and exploit the D? :?: :idea: :ugeek:

 

[PlayerRep]

getting back to qbs here's our last five...

ssh/mckinney - 129.8
jj - 133.5
roper - 133.1
selle - 157.3+
bergy - 152.8+
+led to chipper

Selle and Berguist didn't get to Chattanooga until after their sophomore years.

In the last 7 games in 2011 starting with Weber St, when JJ got healthy and came on strong, his efficiency rating averaged 148.19.

 

[granitegriz]

Unrealistic posters on this site put their head in the sand when looking at the improvement players make during a season. The reason the 2011 team had a deep playoff run was the dramatic improvement of many Griz players. Just like last year, Dennard, Harris, and Goodwin all improved and it shows this spring. I don't know what causes this phenomenon, but it would be properly called head in the sand syndrome.

 

[wbtfg]

Unrealistic posters on this site put their head in the sand when looking at the improvement players make during a season. The reason the 2011 team had a deep playoff run was the dramatic improvement of many Griz players. Just like last year, Dennard, Harris, and Goodwin all improved and it shows this spring. I don't know what causes this phenomenon, but it would be properly called head in the sand syndrome.

How much credit of 2011 player development goes to pflugrad/breske/smith?

I think right now there are more questions about coaching talent than player talent.

 

[getgrizzy]

getting back to qbs here's our last five...

ssh/mckinney - 129.8
jj - 133.5
roper - 133.1
selle - 157.3+
bergy - 152.8+
+led to chipper

Selle and Berguist didn't get to Chattanooga until after their sophomore years.

In the last 7 games in 2011 starting with Weber St, when JJ got healthy and came on strong, his efficiency rating averaged 148.19.

it was good overall, but thanks in large part to the w.s.u. game. he needs to be more consistent. he was a non-factor in the 3 games after that then had a great game vs no. iowa. when I saw his line from ronan i was reminded of that. i know, i know it was just the wind.