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Starting QB vs ISU?

Who starts at QB vs ISU?

  • TMac

    Votes: 26 30.6%
  • SSH

    Votes: 59 69.4%

  • Total voters
    85
becker2117 said:
just curious mayor? is JJ what you concider a cross over runt? cuz for his first year starting he looked pretty damn good and improved every game....how bout that cross over runt for app state that won a few titles? and i like how you say in the last 20 years....when you know the game has basically began to evolve in the past 10.

now i am not saying i am against the old ground n pound.....big pro style qb...im not at all....but you seem to be pretty close minded...and i basically just wondered exactly what you concider a cross over runt.

one more thing, you make it sound like all we gotta do is get a big, tall, strong armed qb and we will win a title...its not that easy is it?
Na... not closed minded... Just know shit and don't get all excited by "Shiny Baubles" like 90% of this board. But you didn't contradict me... get on your google and find the 1 or 2 "runt weak-armed QB/RB's" that led their FCS or FBS teams to titles. And yes, JJ is a 5-10 weak-armed crossover "dual threat" QB. Some people loved the heck out of him, despite being the 6th or 7th rated QB in the Big Sky Conference. He probably wouldn't have started for most of the Big Sky... but he was our next "DD". Laughable. The kid was a Fran Tarkenton type... plain and simple. Good enough when surrounded with superior talent like the Griz, to win games. Remember, we about led the nation in 3-and-outs last year, and lived off the "Big Play". I guess watching the video and studying the film 2-3 times a week made me biased... I would have developed Nate and let the chips fall where they may. But what the heck, Nate was good enough to take Michigan to the brink, while JJ took Portland Remedial to the state title. Silly me.
 
Grizmayor said:
becker2117 said:
just curious mayor? is JJ what you concider a cross over runt? cuz for his first year starting he looked pretty damn good and improved every game....how bout that cross over runt for app state that won a few titles? and i like how you say in the last 20 years....when you know the game has basically began to evolve in the past 10.

now i am not saying i am against the old ground n pound.....big pro style qb...im not at all....but you seem to be pretty close minded...and i basically just wondered exactly what you concider a cross over runt.

one more thing, you make it sound like all we gotta do is get a big, tall, strong armed qb and we will win a title...its not that easy is it?
Na... not closed minded... Just know shit and don't get all excited by "Shiny Baubles" like 90% of this board. But you didn't contradict me... get on your google and find the 1 or 2 "runt weak-armed QB/RB's" that led their FCS or FBS teams to titles. And yes, JJ is a 5-10 weak-armed crossover "dual threat" QB. Some people loved the heck out of him, despite being the 6th or 7th rated QB in the Big Sky Conference. He probably wouldn't have started for most of the Big Sky... but he was our next "DD". Laughable. The kid was a Fran Tarkenton type... plain and simple. Good enough when surrounded with superior talent like the Griz, to win games. Remember, we about led the nation in 3-and-outs last year, and lived off the "Big Play". I guess watching the video and studying the film 2-3 times a week made me biased... I would have developed Nate and let the chips fall where they may. But what the heck, Nate was good enough to take Michigan to the brink, while JJ took Portland Remedial to the state title. Silly me.

Have you seen what Nate has done this year?
 
So basically what Grizmayor is saying, QB's shorter than what...6'3"? should never play at this level.

Lets see...who would never have played QB for a Grizmayor team (This list includes 2 of the top 5 FBS college QBs in the country based on efficiency rating)

Dave Dickenson (5'11")
Jordan Johnson (6'1")
Armanti Edwards (5'11")
Drew Brees (6'0")
Kellen Moore (6'0") Boise State's great QB.
Denarius McGhee (5'11) - the...cats.... QB
Vernon Adams (6'0") - The freshman QB for EWU who torched the Griz earlier this season.
Eric Meyer (6'1") - Won the Walter Payton award with EWU
Doug Flutie (5'10")
Fran Tarkenton (6'0")
Nick Florence (6'1") - Baylor's QB (#3 in the country for QB efficiency)
Seth Doege (6'1") - Texas Tech's current QB (#5 in the country for QB efficiency)
Taylor Martinez (6'1") Nebraska's starting QB
Russel Wilson (5'11") for Wisconson & now Seattle's starting QB.
Taylor Heinicke (6'1") Currently Old Dominion's QB, leading the FCS in yards per game, and has thrown for 2784 already this season.

Seriously.. I could go on and on.. you really have absolutely no credibility when it comes to QBs Grizmayor... Rewinding on your tivo "studying" the film while munching Cheetos and pretending you are a coach really doesn't mean you know what you are talking about :P

I'd take a 5'11" Armanti Edwards, Dave Dickenson, or Jordan Johnson all day over Nate Montana... Nate Montana didn't even start for his JC...he was 3rd string wasn't he? Or was that for his high school (where he didn't start either).

Shit maybe Grizmayor is right...instead of looking for a QB that fits our system, we should just look at their height...

Coach Grizmayor: "HOLY SHIT YOU ARE 6'6"? Welcome to Montana! You are our new starting QB! "
Recruit: "But... I don't play football.. I play dungeons and dragons and world of warcraft..."
Coach Grizmayor: "I DONT CARE! YOU ARE TALL! SUIT UP!!!"
 
Grizmayor said:
becker2117 said:
just curious mayor? is JJ what you concider a cross over runt? cuz for his first year starting he looked pretty damn good and improved every game....how bout that cross over runt for app state that won a few titles? and i like how you say in the last 20 years....when you know the game has basically began to evolve in the past 10.

now i am not saying i am against the old ground n pound.....big pro style qb...im not at all....but you seem to be pretty close minded...and i basically just wondered exactly what you concider a cross over runt.

one more thing, you make it sound like all we gotta do is get a big, tall, strong armed qb and we will win a title...its not that easy is it?
Na... not closed minded... Just know shit and don't get all excited by "Shiny Baubles" like 90% of this board. But you didn't contradict me... get on your google and find the 1 or 2 "runt weak-armed QB/RB's" that led their FCS or FBS teams to titles. And yes, JJ is a 5-10 weak-armed crossover "dual threat" QB. Some people loved the heck out of him, despite being the 6th or 7th rated QB in the Big Sky Conference. He probably wouldn't have started for most of the Big Sky... but he was our next "DD". Laughable. The kid was a Fran Tarkenton type... plain and simple. Good enough when surrounded with superior talent like the Griz, to win games. Remember, we about led the nation in 3-and-outs last year, and lived off the "Big Play". I guess watching the video and studying the film 2-3 times a week made me biased... I would have developed Nate and let the chips fall where they may. But what the heck, Nate was good enough to take Michigan to the brink, while JJ took Portland Remedial to the state title. Silly me.
you didnt answer a single question i asked you? and with football being the ultimate "team sport" no body is going to win a title with only a good qb..and if you know as much as it seems like you do you know that. so based on your what you concider acceptable when was the last time the griz actually had a "good" qb? dying to know what your oppinion is on this one?
was andrew good? cuz he was surrounded by superior FCS talent (chase, marc, a young jabin, a few tight ends that had a shot in the NFL)
was Cole good? he was also surrounded by talent(Lex, eric allen, ryan bags, mike ferriter sp)
i could go on..and on and on...tell me the name of a good qb that doesnt have good talent around him. seems craig ochs had good players around him, drew and johnny did as well...even dave. TEAMS are good not because of one player
 
Yet... the stats and facts back me. Hmmmmmm? Armanti has a big arm with NFL talent to go with it. Every "runt" that was run off up above was a "passing" QB, not a "runningback/quarterback". I think Potomac went nuts on 6-foot tall "passing quarterbacks". Not what we're talking about Studmuffin. Marty Mohrningweg was short, Drew Miller was short, DD was short... and I don't remember them being runningbacks playing quarterback. All were record breaking PASSERS who could bomb the field at every level. And Mr. Potomac... I think about 98% of your list couldn't or didn't win a championship... did they? Hmmmm? I guess if you want a little gimicky "Boom or 3-and-out" offense run with a weak-armed inaccurate scrambler... Good Luck. You don't win championships unless you have kids who are "passers"... Hyphenated, Gesundheit, and Viagra... all passers who can scramble... not the other way around. Plead your case if you want. But history backs me.. Napolean couldn't even win the big one without an air game.

PS: It isnt "our system"... let's get a system that works like EWU or North Dakota St/North Dakota, etc. Stretch the defense 40 yards down the field, or run over them. No more Tricky Dick bullsiht.
 
I say we pull Brady Gustafson's Red Shirt and he starts...This would be a typical move for this coaching staff...I see where Joey Counts has really been allowed to contribute also!
 
wbtfg said:
According to the Missoulian SSH is starting. Not really a surprise.

If the Griz want to win, really want to win, and not just find the QB for next season, the choice is right in front you you.

Dan Moore.
 
BWahlberg said:
kurtismichael said:
What about Brzeczek?

Valid point

I stated in fall camp that Adam B was CLEARLY the most polished passer with the strongest and most accurate arm (especially deep ball). And thought that we would struggle with McKinney (a RB at QB basically)... Proof is in the pudding. :oops:
 
What seems so strange is that our O can look pretty damn good in the first half of games, until we get a lead, then we go in a shell. Unfortunately I have a feeling that will happen no matter who we have at QB.

I do wonder why Adam B hasn't at least gotten a few snaps lately. If he impressed as much as people say he did in fall camp it's weird he's not getting any time.

Maybe against ISU we'll get a chance to see him? The season, in terms of playoffs, is over...so why not give him a shot to see what he can do out there?
 
When did Jordan Johnson put on high heels and become 6-1. Standing in the huddle he was barely taller than Pete, and Delaney himself said JJ was 5-10 when talking about him this spring. Very believable for anyone with common sense and a ruler.
 
wbtfg said:
According to the Missoulian SSH is starting. Not really a surprise.

What article did you read, wbtfg?

Griz hedge on starting QB for Idaho State game

By FRITZ NEIGHBOR of the Missoulian

The appearance of Shay Smithwick-Hann at the Montana Grizzlies’ weekly press conference implies more playing time for the sophomore quarterback.

But UM football coach Mick Delaney hedged on naming a starter this far ahead of Saturday’s home game against Idaho State, though Smithwick-Hann performed well in relief of Trent McKinney in the Grizzlies’ 40-34 loss at North Dakota last week.

“The quarterback position – not according to you guys, but according to us – is always a position that’s open for competition,” Delaney said Tuesday. “Just like every other position on the football team. “And Shay went in and proved that … when he got this opportunity, he was ready to play.”

Smithwick-Hann took over for McKinney in the second quarter against UND and threw for 306 yards and three touchdowns. His third TD pass, a 27-yarder to Ellis Henderson, gave the Griz a 34-31 lead at 6:05 of the third quarter.

Unfortunately Montana didn’t score again. North Dakota scored the game-winning touchdown with 12 seconds left.

Smithwick-Hann’s strengths– his ability to progress through his passing reads and knowledge of the offense – were apparent at times against UND. They were espoused Tuesday at the Sky Club inside the Adams Center.

“He knows the offense very well,” said defensive end Zack Wagenmann, the Big Sky Conference’s sack leader. “He knows where the receivers are going to be, how they break and where he’s going to put the ball.”

It was the first real action for Smithwick-Hann, who had thrown a total of nine collegiate passes before Saturday. Offensive coordinator Timm Rosenbach had told him to be ready, but that’s apparently nothing new.

“He tells me that every game, and that’s how I prepare,” Smithwick-Hann said. “Last week I was fortunate to go in and help the team out, but we didn’t make enough plays. I didn’t make enough plays at the end for us to get the win.”

McKinney started the Grizzlies’ first eight games, and could again.

“They’re still competing this week, and who will start will be up to coach Rosenbach,” said Delaney, who added that McKinney will have to adjust to not knowing his role until possibly game time on Saturday.

“I know Shay can do that,” Delaney said. “And we’ll see how Trent responds to that.”

* * *

Against the Griz, North Dakota quarterback Braden Hanson threw 61 times, which is about 11 more than an average Saturday for Idaho State’s Kevin Yost.

A pass rush that sacked Hanson three times but had little effect besides will be tested again.

“We were close on a lot of those, but we weren’t close enough,” said Wagenmann. “It’s going to be a huge focal point this week for us – to try and find that extra half-second to be faster, to affect throws.”

It used to be that defenses geared up to stop the run and set up third-and-long, but not these last two weeks. Yost threw 73 times against Sacramento State on Sept. 29 (in a 54-31 Bengals loss). Closing on the quarterback on first and second down is key as well.

“It is fun to try and chase down the quarterback,” Wagenmann said. “He’s been throwing it 60, 70 times a game – as much as he can. It’s going to be a huge game for that (pass rush), yeah.”

* * *

Idaho State will be coached by offensive coordinator Don Bailey Saturday because coach Mike Kramer has been suspended by the university for a practice incident involving receiver Derek Graves.

Bailey was Kramer’s OC at Montana State as well. Delaney said he figures the Bengals will still be throwing.

“That doesn’t change it at all,” he said. “They’ll do what they do. Don is an offensive guy and coach Kramer’s been defensive coordinator since a year ago. They’ll do what they do offensively. Yost is their guy and they have four or five fine receivers. They’ll throw it as many times as they possibly can.”

* * *

Delaney said running back Dan Moore (ankle) will miss another game, and that receiver Gerald Kemp still hasn’t been cleared to play.

“It’s in the process and it’s back in the hands of them (the NCAA),” Delaney said of Kemp, who hasn’t played this season. “I’m not counting on him this week.”

QUICK KICKS: Saturday’s game, as well as the last two regular-season games, will be televised live on ROOT Sports. Kickoff is at 1:30 p.m. Mountain. … Smithwick-Hann was UM’s nominee for Big Sky offensive player of the week. P Stephen Shaw was nominated for special teams and LB John Kanongata’a on defense. … UM has dropped to No. 30 among Football Championship Subdivision teams in the Sagarin Ratings. Idaho State is No. 110. … UND’s Greg Hardin is the third player to win the Big Sky offensive POW for a game against the Griz. … ISU’s Yost has eight career 300-yard passing games.

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/football/griz-hedge-on-starting-qb-for-idaho-state-game/article_d4606122-1d82-11e2-9476-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Grizmayor said:
When did Jordan Johnson put on high heels and become 6-1. Standing in the huddle he was barely taller than Pete, and Delaney himself said JJ was 5-10 when talking about him this spring. Very believable for anyone with common sense and a ruler.

Oh I agree the roster where he's listed at 6'1" was very generous. That's pretty typical though... At certain positions it's probably pretty rare for the listed height to be 100% accurate. It's not as blatantly obvious as it is in basketball though. I wouldn't go by what Delaney says for height though, especially when he referred to Dominic Gunn for UNC as a big 6'2" or 6'3" receiver :P If I had to guess I"d guess JJ was 5'11" just based on the height comparison of him standing near other players last year.
 
Potomac Griz said:
Grizmayor said:
When did Jordan Johnson put on high heels and become 6-1. Standing in the huddle he was barely taller than Pete, and Delaney himself said JJ was 5-10 when talking about him this spring. Very believable for anyone with common sense and a ruler.

Oh I agree the roster where he's listed at 6'1" was very generous. That's pretty typical though... At certain positions it's probably pretty rare for the listed height to be 100% accurate. It's not as blatantly obvious as it is in basketball though. I wouldn't go by what Delaney says for height though, especially when he referred to Dominic Gunn for UNC as a big 6'2" or 6'3" receiver :P If I had to guess I"d guess JJ was 5'11" just based on the height comparison of him standing near other players last year.


I'm 6'1" and when I stood talking to him briefly after the CAU playoff game last season he seemed a bit shorter than me..I'd guess 5'11" as well, no more than 6' though.
 
That's probably what the NCAA is here investigating. Why we are covering up the true height of players.



:coffee:
 
cclarkblues said:
That's probably what the NCAA is here investigating. Why we are covering up the true height of players.



:coffee:

Oh shit..hope they don't look at the basketball roster from a few years ago... Kamarr Davis was listed at 6'7" :P

I can see the florio headline now... "Griz wanted to tower over their victims."
 
BWahlberg said:
UND: 24 rush attempts / 61 pass attempts
SUU: 29 rush attempts / 53 pass attempts
UNC: 26 rush attempts / 43 pass attempts
EWU: 32 rush attempts / 41 pass attempts
NAU: 46 rush attempts / 23 pass attempts

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EWU was the first to really exploit the pass D and from there the other teams we've played adjusted to that. Over the last 4 games teams have had an almost 2:1 ratio of pass to rush attempts against us. (111 rushes to 198 passes)

If you go before the EWU game it rounds out closer to a 1:1 ratio with actually more rush attempts against us than pass attempts. (147 rushes to 121 passes)

So what you're saying is we can be beaten by either the rush OR the pass. :oops: :oops: :oops:
 
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