Stanford's David Shaw should be...

[AllWeatherFan]

Not trying to be a dick, Grisly, but your post makes it sound like Stanford simply didn't have the players (i.e., quarterback) to overcome Michigan State's defense, but then you conclude Shaw was outcoached. That seems inconsistent - am I reading you wrong?

 

[smarsh]

big sandy should conduct a national search.

 

[AZGrizFan]

MSU found Stanford's "Achilles heel" and whacked it with a sledge hammer repeatedly. Stacking the box and stopping the run while having a shutdown secondary did the Cardinal in. Frankly there are very few answers to beating a defense that MSU has and they seemed to have peaked at exactly the right time. Maybe a short passing game based on play action would have helped but you would need a different QB to execute. Shaw is an excellent coach but he was outcoached this time.

If you (as a DC) have the ability to stack the box and STILL shut down the WR's with your secondary you will win a LOT of games.

 

[GrizSpartan]

As a Big time Spartan fan it was a thing of beauty. Great cornerbacks make great teams. You can do a lot when you have corners who can man up, break up passes, react quickly, and allow the rest of the defense to twist and rub and stunt and blitz. Great game for the people from East Lansing.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Not Standford's best performance of the year that is certain! Maybe Shaw is headed to the NFL :shock:
Oh and I don't give a crap if he said he had no interest in the NFL a few weeks ago!

I just got back from the Rose Bowl. The buzz in the Stanford section where I was reminded me of a lot of the Egriz posts after the losses this year. But, almost to a person, at the half it was plain to see that Stanford was not really expecting the tough game from MSU. In fact, when Shaw told the QB to take a knee with 28 seconds to play in the first half instead of at least making an effort regain the momemtum, people around me, basically said "it was over"...Sad to say, they were right. The band was fun, though.

Any "fan" who thinks it was a mistake, and "it was over", when Stanford--leading 17-14, with 28 seconds to go in the half and on their own 25--to take a knee, is both an idiot and obviously never played the game. My god, how dumb can someone be.

That game was over when they signed the contract to play it...........................

 

[grizatwork]

MSU had probably the best defense in FBS this year. Didn't matter what Stanford did. Run or pass, it wasn't happening yesterday. Same as with Ohio State, Michigan, and everyone else in the big 10/12. The punched the tree in the mouth. Kind of refreshing to see.

 

[1Griz_Fan]

Thanks for "getting it" Titelist! I was just having some fun with Griz and Cat fans who have thought Glenn, Hauck, Delaney, Ash and Krames should have been fired after ONE big loss.
Oh, and to anyone who thinks Stanford's "game plan" was bad, you must not follow Shaw and the Cardinal. They don't really offensively "game plan". They run what they run, regardless of who is lined up across from them. That's Shaw's philosophy. His offense is "It's not about them, it's about us" as he says in press conferences quite frequently. Didn't quite work out today, but it's worked pretty damn well the last three seasons overall.

My conclusion Delaney should re-retire was reached after 6 big losses in his first year as HC for the Griz, many of which should have been wins, where he proved that in 30 years of additional coaching he hadn't learned how to game coach or prepare/motivate his players and assistants any better than he did at Western Montana. So not everybody who feels this way about MD reached their conclusion after one big loss.....but surprise, those who did were proven right.

One big loss, try nine big losses...six in 2012 and three in 2013. And Delaney was impressed with Stanford's game plan over Oregon (I believe it was the Ducks) when they ran the same run play over and over. Go figure right because we all know Delaney's philosophy has worked pretty damn well against teams with losing records but not so much with teams above .500.

 

[George Ferguson]

Grizfan1, so are you saying Shaw was wrong to run the same power dive play 38 times against Oregon even though Stanford won the game and Shaw is 3-0 against the Ducks? That makes like absolutely NO SENSE.

 

[1Griz_Fan]

Grizfan1, so are you saying Shaw was wrong to run the same power dive play 38 times against Oregon even though Stanford won the game and Shaw is 3-0 against the Ducks? That makes like absolutely NO SENSE.

Where did I say anything about Shaw being wrong to run the same power dive play 38 times??? I was only pointing out that Delenay was impressed with a team using the same philosophy of his by running the same plays over and over.

It may work well with Shaw but how did the Griz running plays do when they were stuck on repeat mode...just wondering because I'm pretty sure the Griz offense was way too predictable, which may work well for teams like the Cardinals that can actually execute the same play over and over but not so much for the Griz, at least when they played a solid team.

And just to be clear, the Griz ran power run plays in repeat mode with personnel meant to run a fast paced spread offense which makes absolutely NO SENSE.

 

[George Ferguson]

I won't argue your points Grizfan1, but I will say, you better cover your eyes then cause the Griz are running the SAME offense with the SAME dudes next fall, and I for one can't WAIT to get to Laramie. Can't get here fast enough for me.

 

[PlayerRep]

Grizfan1, so are you saying Shaw was wrong to run the same power dive play 38 times against Oregon even though Stanford won the game and Shaw is 3-0 against the Ducks? That makes like absolutely NO SENSE.

Where did I say anything about Shaw being wrong to run the same power dive play 38 times??? I was only pointing out that Delenay was impressed with a team using the same philosophy of his by running the same plays over and over.

It may work well with Shaw but how did the Griz running plays do when they were stuck on repeat mode...just wondering because I'm pretty sure the Griz offense was way too predictable, which may work well for teams like the Cardinals that can actually execute the same play over and over but not so much for the Griz, at least when they played a solid team.

And just to be clear, the Griz ran power run plays in repeat mode with personnel meant to run a fast paced spread offense which makes absolutely NO SENSE.

Please stop with this nonsense. This isn't true. UM's personnel wasn't meant to run a fast paced spread offense.

"the Griz ran power run plays in repeat mode with personnel meant to run a fast paced spread offense"

 

[Grisly Fan]

Not trying to be a dick, Grisly, but your post makes it sound like Stanford simply didn't have the players (i.e., quarterback) to overcome Michigan State's defense, but then you conclude Shaw was outcoached. That seems inconsistent - am I reading you wrong?

MSU decided to shut down Stanford's run game at any cost and had the personnel to do it. Shaw got out-coached when he stuck to his gameplan and refused to deviate. Live by the run, die by the run. Coaches who accept being mostly one dimensional, have to accept that it will cost them sometimes. That is what I meant. Oh yeah, and trying something different may not have mattered anyway but I guess we'll never know.

 

[uofmman1122]

Grizfan1, so are you saying Shaw was wrong to run the same power dive play 38 times against Oregon even though Stanford won the game and Shaw is 3-0 against the Ducks? That makes like absolutely NO SENSE.

Where did I say anything about Shaw being wrong to run the same power dive play 38 times??? I was only pointing out that Delenay was impressed with a team using the same philosophy of his by running the same plays over and over.

It may work well with Shaw but how did the Griz running plays do when they were stuck on repeat mode...just wondering because I'm pretty sure the Griz offense was way too predictable, which may work well for teams like the Cardinals that can actually execute the same play over and over but not so much for the Griz, at least when they played a solid team.

And just to be clear, the Griz ran power run plays in repeat mode with personnel meant to run a fast paced spread offense which makes absolutely NO SENSE.

Please stop with this nonsense. This isn't true. UM's personnel wasn't meant to run a fast paced spread offense.

This very well could be the dumbest thing I've read on this board in forever.

We had one of the best spread offenses in the country in 2011, and (according to you) were JJ away from being undefeated in 2012 running the same spread offense (where we averaged more rushing yards per game than our new "power-run" offense), and suddenly we don't have the personnel to run the same spread? :lol:

I'd laugh harder if it wasn't so ridiculous. :roll:

 

[George Ferguson]

I Don't know what kind of personnell fits what, but in regards to the run game, Jordan Canada publicly stated at a Griz presser that he MUCH prefers the current offense. Just sayin

 

[PlayerRep]

Grizfan1, so are you saying Shaw was wrong to run the same power dive play 38 times against Oregon even though Stanford won the game and Shaw is 3-0 against the Ducks? That makes like absolutely NO SENSE.

Where did I say anything about Shaw being wrong to run the same power dive play 38 times??? I was only pointing out that Delenay was impressed with a team using the same philosophy of his by running the same plays over and over.

It may work well with Shaw but how did the Griz running plays do when they were stuck on repeat mode...just wondering because I'm pretty sure the Griz offense was way too predictable, which may work well for teams like the Cardinals that can actually execute the same play over and over but not so much for the Griz, at least when they played a solid team.

And just to be clear, the Griz ran power run plays in repeat mode with personnel meant to run a fast paced spread offense which makes absolutely NO SENSE.

Please stop with this nonsense. This isn't true. UM's personnel wasn't meant to run a fast paced spread offense.

This very well could be the dumbest thing I've read on this board in forever.

We had one of the best spread offenses in the country in 2011, and (according to you) were JJ away from being undefeated in 2012 running the same spread offense (where we averaged more rushing yards per game than our new "power-run" offense), and suddenly we don't have the personnel to run the same spread? :lol:

I'd laugh harder if it wasn't so ridiculous. :roll:

JJ is capable of running various type of offenses. Never have I said UM would have been undefeated in 2012, with JJ, nor that UM didn't have the personnel to run the spread. I said 1GrizFan's statement that the personnel were meant only for the fast-paced spread was not correct. Most of the o-lineman were not meant only the spead, nor were the running backs, nor were the receivers, nor was JJ. The 2013 offense averaged more total offense and more points, than either 2012 or 2011.

If you want to have a discussion with me, stick to what I said (and don't make up stuff).

 

[rgrizfan]

I Don't know what kind of personnell fits what, but in regards to the run game, Jordan Canada publicly stated at a Griz presser that he MUCH prefers the current offense. Just sayin

I wonder what offense Jordan Johnson prefers to run?

 

[George Ferguson]

rgrizfan, You want the truth on that question? You might not like the answer. JJ prefers to run whatever offense the coaches at the University of Montana tell him to run. The reason why is two-fold. 1. Because he's good enough to run any offense successfully and he knows it. 2. Because JJ is that kind of kid. He's a TEAM PLAYER AND A LEADER, not to mention a coaches son, and he actually believes in the coaches.

I think it's HILARIOUS, how people think MD is failing JJ, and even insinuating that JJ is somehow unhappy with the coaching staff or the play calling. Jordan Johnson is probably more loyal to Mick Delaney than any other play on that roster right now. Actually, I shouldn't say that, simply because every player on that team loves and is loyal to Delaney and his systems.

 

[rgrizfan]

Never thought or insinuated any of that...to me JJ seems more comfortable from the shotgun. Was not a question of loyalty just wondering if JJ had a preference...that's all.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Where did I say anything about Shaw being wrong to run the same power dive play 38 times??? I was only pointing out that Delenay was impressed with a team using the same philosophy of his by running the same plays over and over.

It may work well with Shaw but how did the Griz running plays do when they were stuck on repeat mode...just wondering because I'm pretty sure the Griz offense was way too predictable, which may work well for teams like the Cardinals that can actually execute the same play over and over but not so much for the Griz, at least when they played a solid team.

And just to be clear, the Griz ran power run plays in repeat mode with personnel meant to run a fast paced spread offense which makes absolutely NO SENSE.

Please stop with this nonsense. This isn't true. UM's personnel wasn't meant to run a fast paced spread offense.

This very well could be the dumbest thing I've read on this board in forever.

We had one of the best spread offenses in the country in 2011, and (according to you) were JJ away from being undefeated in 2012 running the same spread offense (where we averaged more rushing yards per game than our new "power-run" offense), and suddenly we don't have the personnel to run the same spread? :lol:

I'd laugh harder if it wasn't so ridiculous. :roll:

JJ is capable of running various type of offenses. Never have I said UM would have been undefeated in 2012, with JJ, nor that UM didn't have the personnel to run the spread. I said 1GrizFan's statement that the personnel were meant only for the fast-paced spread was not correct. Most of the o-lineman were not meant only the spead, nor were the running backs, nor were the receivers, nor was JJ. The 2013 offense averaged more total offense and more points, than either 2012 or 2011.

If you want to have a discussion with me, stick to what I said (and don't make up stuff).

You mean "lecture from" and "bring my stuff up"

 

[EverettGriz]

Braaahhaaaa!! :lol:

That's awesome, 8184.