Square peg, round hole

[nzone]

Sure hope we don't have to score 70 this week to attain greatness :lol: the op is very well thought out tho. :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

I agree, the cat QB (combined with their new OC) has been very impressive. You have to be blind not to see the potential. But I also agree with what Everett posted earlier, Prukop has not done as well against good defenses...not even close. Too early to give him full anointing.

On the other hand our defense has not yet had to deal with the good offenses.

I agree. I also suspect that the Griz Defense, while ok for the Big Sky, is just a bit over hyped. They did give up 22 points to NDSU, and Wyoming is proving to be, well, not so good. EWU and MSU and who knows who else, might be blowouts. We will find out.but having watched most of this year's games, I think the D is over rated. They have played some pretty bad teams.

Disagree. The Griz D is the best in the BSC. Not sure if you watched the NDSU game but they proved they can slow the best team in the FCS. NDSU only scored 1 TD so the D held them over and over and over again. This defense can win a championship, but the offense will keep us from making it deep into the playoffs. As the original post said better than I, it's because of a coaching issue, not a player issue. I don't buy the injury stuff and lack of experience because NDSU had the same exact issues but find a way to make it work. Thus, it reaffirms that this is a coaching issue, not a player issue.

Agreed. The D is very good, but the Griz need to get an o-line coach that knows something about o-line play. There appear to be a number of o-line experts on egriz. Perhaps they could become the o-line coach, if they could break away from the internet. Our o-line coach certainly doesn't need the money anyway, as he made millions playing the NFL for a decade or so.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

He mentioned “growler” as the biggest idiot poster he’s ever seen. At first I thought that clearly he’s been hit in the head too often. I run circles around almost all of you morons. As we kept talking he mentioned how growler (me) would always cite made-up info and bad opinions.

You're never, ever going to convince me that you were, are, "growler." For one thing, he, "growler," evidently, has such a born-to-be-sour attitude that he portrays himself as one that has spent his entire life cooking up devious little insults of all others and deluded fantasies of his own import that you, "Ursa Major," has never ever come close to matching. Pity you if you ever do. He is but a worthless scourge that has yet to overcome the biggest trauma of his life, so far, and that was his own connival birth. But one that "can't look past the smoke stack coming out of his own chimney;" here to relate to all others such a malignant persona.

 

[Ursa Major]

He mentioned “growler” as the biggest idiot poster he’s ever seen. At first I thought that clearly he’s been hit in the head too often. I run circles around almost all of you morons. As we kept talking he mentioned how growler (me) would always cite made-up info and bad opinions.

You're never, ever going to convince me that you were, are, "growler." For one thing, he, "growler," evidently, has such a born-to-be-sour attitude that he portrays himself as one that has spent his entire life cooking up devious little insults of all others and deluded fantasies of his own import that you, "Ursa Major," has never ever come close to matching. Pity you if you ever do. He is but a worthless scourge that has yet to overcome the biggest trauma of his life, so far, and that was his own connival birth. But one that "can't look past the smoke stack coming out of his own chimney;" here to relate to all others such a malignant persona.

This response is pedestrian at best!

 

[Ursa Major]

Wyoming,

I missed the quote marks at the top. This was Growler's "apology" and "farewell" message on Maroon Blood. I'm in no way implying that I'm Growler. Ever!

 

[Grizbeer]

This thread so much reminds me of my moment of doubt of the Griz on Egriz. It was 10/30/2004. IHateRobPhenicie still kinda liked Phenicie. Nobody even knew there was an Alphagriz. It was heady times, and the Griz just turned in another anemic offensive performance in a loss to Portland State, just like they had all season and the year before that. Meanwhile down in Flagstaff MSU demolished NAU, scoring over 60 points.

I expressed my outrage, why can't UM have offensive coaching and explosiveness like that? Green26 shook his head sadly at me. argh! Ignored me cause I said some of the dumbest things he had ever read. Sunny wanted to shake my hand for "getting it". In the end 2004 turned out pretty good for the Griz. 'Cats stayed home for Thanksgiving at 6-5. And I learned an important lesson that year.

 

[PlayerRep]

This thread so much reminds me of my moment of doubt of the Griz on Egriz. It was 10/30/2004. IHateRobPhenicie still kinda liked Phenicie. Nobody even knew there was an Alphagriz. It was heady times, and the Griz just turned in another anemic offensive performance in a loss to Portland State, just like they had all season and the year before that. Meanwhile down in Flagstaff MSU demolished NAU, scoring over 60 points.

I expressed my outrage, why can't UM have offensive coaching and explosiveness like that? Green26 shook his head sadly at me. argh! Ignored me cause I said some of the dumbest things he had ever read. Sunny wanted to shake my hand for "getting it". In the end 2004 turned out pretty good for the Griz. 'Cats stayed home for Thanksgiving at 6-5. And I learned an important lesson that year.

I hope one of your lessons learned was to always trust what Green26 was saying. Ha. Following the PSU game, a group of players went to the coaches and asked them to open up the offense. The offense was opened up. UM went on a huge roll following the PSU game, all the way to Chattanooga.

 

[Born2BaGriz]

This is a very accurate post, made by a former college player. But how dare you deviate from the mantra that we are getting better each week, and that great things are just around the corner for our offense and our team the rest of this year. And just wait until next season! Don't you understand that our O-line will miraculously metamorphose into a well oiled blocking machine? You should know that a former player like yourself could never hope to match observations with our resident realtor genius, and our jock sniffing mega donor who, incidentally, played leather helmet football some time during the past century. I am sure both will set you straight any moment now![/quote]

Well, not that aligning with your view on much was my intent , and I appreciate the views of others. Doesn't mean I have to agree, but then maybe if you read more and posted less you would understand. I don't think anybody on here believes our OL will "metamorphose " or that the next game will be the breakout game. Nor do I think we have to run the spread offense. I do think we get better each week, the problem is so does everybody else. My point is I wish the offense and special teams would be just a little introspective and honest. Look at what Ty did after last season. How can a defense at the FCS replace two NFL linebackers and be better? They are because Ty looked in the mirror and he made changes. It doesn't have to be fancy and the coaches have shown they can do a better job. If we expect to be on top we have to get much better on offense and special teams. I honestly don't believe I know more about the game than they do, but was I able to successfully predict the next play over 75% of the time against UND and it isn't that I'm that smart, it was that it was that obvious.

 

[Grisly Fan]

...able to successfully predict the next play over 75% of the time against UND and it isn't that I'm that smart, it was that it was that obvious.

I have felt that way at times in the past but not this year -- as much. It just occurred to me it would be interesting for anyone who feels this way to actually guess the next play and write it down then compare it with what really happens. I wonder if the sense that the next play is actually predictable is real or mostly imagined. It would have to be a real honest effort not some fake "Pickle boy" claim.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

On the other hand our defense has not yet had to deal with the good offenses.

I agree. I also suspect that the Griz Defense, while ok for the Big Sky, is just a bit over hyped. They did give up 22 points to NDSU, and Wyoming is proving to be, well, not so good. EWU and MSU and who knows who else, might be blowouts. We will find out.but having watched most of this year's games, I think the D is over rated. They have played some pretty bad teams.

Disagree. The Griz D is the best in the BSC. Not sure if you watched the NDSU game but they proved they can slow the best team in the FCS. NDSU only scored 1 TD so the D held them over and over and over again. This defense can win a championship, but the offense will keep us from making it deep into the playoffs. As the original post said better than I, it's because of a coaching issue, not a player issue. I don't buy the injury stuff and lack of experience because NDSU had the same exact issues but find a way to make it work. Thus, it reaffirms that this is a coaching issue, not a player issue.

Agreed. The D is very good, but the Griz need to get an o-line coach that knows something about o-line play. There appear to be a number of o-line experts on egriz. Perhaps they could become the o-line coach, if they could break away from the internet. Our o-line coach certainly doesn't need the money anyway, as he made millions playing the NFL for a decade or so.

No, I'm not available.

 

[PlayerRep]

...able to successfully predict the next play over 75% of the time against UND and it isn't that I'm that smart, it was that it was that obvious.

I have felt that way at times in the past but not this year -- as much. It just occurred to me it would be interesting for anyone who feels this way to actually guess the next play and write it down then compare it with what really happens. I wonder if the sense that the next play is actually predictable is real or mostly imagined. It would have to be a real honest effort not some fake "Pickle boy" claim.

I think the predicting the play claim is largely imagined. But I suppose it depends on what level of prediction is being made. Is it just run or pass? If so, the down and distance will often help that prediction. Also, UM, in most games, runs alot on first down. 3d, or even 2d, and long is often going to be a pass. 3d and short is often going to be a run. And with a fullback and 2 TE's, it's not hard to predict a run is coming.

However, if by prediction, one is predicting that it will be a run up the middle to the left of center, or right of center, or wide left or wide right, or a pass to the left flat or right flat, or over the middle, or a post, or a flag' then that is real prediction. Then, add in bit more like, a trap, or counter, or stretch, or zone read; then that is real prediction.

Predicting a run or pass is not much of a prediction, at least in most situations, in my book. And predicting a run right, when it is a run left, is not much of a prediction.

On the other hand, it wasn't all that hard to predict a good number of the NDSU plays. It was power up the middle, with a guard pulling. Seems to work for them, as they execute.

As I've said in the past, I've sat at games with recent former offensive players over the years, and even with them being able to see some of the signal, the formation, and knowing the personnel, I was surprised at how much of the time they couldn't predict the play.

 

[Umista]

Old: AZ aka Growler aka Steve D etc.

Indeed this poster is a sour old coot but I loved bantering with him anyway. He stated racist comments, called out almost every coach, poster, president, player and cheer squad person on the planet. Of course he often stated an obvious lie but he kept many of us "growling" at his obnoxious comments. Those that took him serious were doomed to begin with. He got after the jealous msu crowd and generally speaking was famous for making outlandish comments.
Steve snuck over to maroon blood and perhaps took up raising pit bulls for his grandchildren and became way to busy to stay on egriz.. So we lost him. He holds the egriz record of "bans" so as most sport fans wish for (I can say I played a record holder)

Now, back to the doom and gloom. I have a feeling we might see an improved offense. Why? Some of our players that make excellent weapons should be back. Ellis Hendo, Ralston and a few others will be healthy or getting healed up. Our line will continue to get better because they are young and smart and that is simply what young smart guys do. Jordy has had a chance to heal up from the horrific pounding he has taken, he is over due for a "come out" party.

Of course our defense had significant losses from injury and most of those guys will be back. They will be needed to get some 3 and outs to put our offense back in the game.

It has been a tough & rough road getting to this win-loss record but we are a pretty damn good team (7th in nation) and I would not count us out yet. I do not see us winning the world title but I can see us making a run at the play-offs and even win a game or two.

Round peg, square hole any way you state it, damn, don't give up quite yet!

 

[kemajic]

I agree, the cat QB (combined with their new OC) has been very impressive. You have to be blind not to see the potential. But I also agree with what Everett posted earlier, Prukop has not done as well against good defenses...not even close. Too early to give him full anointing.

On the other hand our defense has not yet had to deal the good offenses.

True to some extent, but NDSU is a good offense. UM held them to 22 points and 1 TD. Only one team has held NDSU to less than 22 points this year (17). Playing in a top FCS conference with win over Iowa St, NDSU is 3d in conference in scoring (32), 2d in total offense (444), 2d in rushing offense, 6th in passing offense (5th in conference only), 3d in pass efficiency (1st in conference only), 1st in 3d down conversions, 1st in TOP, qb is 3d in total offense.

Yes we kept the score down vs. NDSU, but the D had little success in getting itself off the field, instead allowing very long drives, which lose games (447 yards, 24 1st downs, 39 min TOP). NDSU was forced to punt a total of twice. EWU (even without VA), MSU, and SacSt offenses are not so predictable as NDSU, maybe not as consistently executed, but I will be convinced of the quality of our D after these games, when we have to defend 50 pass attempts instead of 24 (NDSU). And then there's CPSLO and their option. I think this unit is the best we've seen in a while, but its biggest tests remain. The good news is none of those teams play D like NDSU, so we should have far better TOP to help out the D.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Old: AZ aka Growler aka Steve D etc.

Indeed this poster is a sour old coot but I loved bantering with him anyway. He stated racist comments, called out almost every coach, poster, president, player and cheer squad person on the planet. Of course he often stated an obvious lie but he kept many of us "growling" at his obnoxious comments. Those that took him serious were doomed to begin with. He got after the jealous msu crowd and generally speaking was famous for making outlandish comments.
Steve snuck over to maroon blood and perhaps took up raising pit bulls for his grandchildren and became way to busy to stay on egriz.. So we lost him. He holds the egriz record of "bans" so as most sport fans wish for (I can say I played a record holder)

Now, back to the doom and gloom. I have a feeling we might see an improved offense. Why? Some of our players that make excellent weapons should be back. Ellis Hendo, Ralston and a few others will be healthy or getting healed up. Our line will continue to get better because they are young and smart and that is simply what young smart guys do. Jordy has had a chance to heal up from the horrific pounding he has taken, he is over due for a "come out" party.

Of course our defense had significant losses from injury and most of those guys will be back. They will be needed to get some 3 and outs to put our offense back in the game.

It has been a tough & rough road getting to this win-loss record but we are a pretty damn good team (7th in nation) and I would not count us out yet. I do not see us winning the world title but I can see us making a run at the play-offs and even win a game or two.

Round peg, square hole any way you state it, damn, don't give up quite yet!

Relax, we still have great hope and support for the team, we're just hoping to get through to a man whose skull thickness would make Cro-Magnon man jealous.

 

[statler & waldorf]

We are wasting JJ's talent and if Don Read could coach up the guys in my era, then there is no reason this staff can't get much better results from the quality of player we have today.

Mick Delaney is no Don Read. Good post, and truthful, but now you will be attacked by every sugar-coater on eGriz.

 

[Born2BaGriz]

First, I will follow the Griz and support them no matter what, I have held season tickets for 25 years and hope to have them for 25 more. I don't question Lurch's abilities as an Oline coach, and concede much of the lackluster play up front comes from youth and inexperience. I do however believe the Co OC roll is not working well and that changes need to be made. We have had some masterful OC's over the years and I loved the play selection. They have programs, hell probably an APP now that runs tendencies. I just believe they can be so much better then they are on both the player and coach perspective. Our offensive can help our defense a bunch if they just don't go three and out and can let them rest a bit. I just go nuts the Griz run on first for 3, run on second for a few and then are third and long or medium for a pass and an unsuccessful conversion. They have shown they can do it, just keep it rolling.

 

[monte is a character]

First, I will follow the Griz and support them no matter what, I have held season tickets for 25 years and hope to have them for 25 more. I don't question Lurch's abilities as an Oline coach, and concede much of the lackluster play up front comes from youth and inexperience. I do however believe the Co OC roll is not working well and that changes need to be made. We have had some masterful OC's over the years and I loved the play selection. They have programs, hell probably an APP now that runs tendencies. I just believe they can be so much better then they are on both the player and coach perspective. Our offensive can help our defense a bunch if they just don't go three and out and can let them rest a bit. I just go nuts the Griz run on first for 3, run on second for a few and then are third and long or medium for a pass and an unsuccessful conversion. They have shown they can do it, just keep it rolling.

Our offense is way too predictable and plain vanilla, as you stated in an earlier post. They use zone blocking almost exclusively, use very few multiple formations, and their pass routes are not sophisticated nor creative, and easily defended.