Spring camp players with rising stock

[BWahlberg]

Nguyen still shouldnt get any touches on KO or PRs, he puts the ball on the ground too much.

By your logic since Nguyen "put the ball on the ground" once last year I suppose Jordan Canada should be publicly flogged?

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Quit lying to people, you and I both know he put the ball on the ground more than once, he dropped 3 in one game. Why are you being dishonest to your minions on eGriz?

 

[PlayerRep]

Quit lying to people, you and I both know he put the ball on the ground more than once, he dropped 3 in one game. Why are you being dishonest to your minions on eGriz?

Actually, what everyone knows is that the Griz didn't lose one single fumble last year, whether from Nguyen's running or receiving or his returning punts or kickoffs. Not 1. This is indisputable. But, of course, continue your lies and vendettas. That is apparently who you are or want to be.

 

[bgbigdog]

We have a number of good backs.

Even assuming Counts & Favors are all in for week one, there are five guys in the current rotation including Johnson, Logwood & N-win. 90+ plays per, got to be more than one guy. Who's going to step up - will be interesting situation.

 

[poorgriz]

The whole "injury prone" argument is way over used. It is football. Ankles , knees, shoulders and brains are not designed to take the punishment the sport provides. The idea that a guy is a wimp because he has been hurt a lot says more about the sport than his stamina. Shit happens.

Agreed and more or less carrys or touches means jack shit, it only takes one and that player could get hurt as easily walking to class as he can on a football field. It is 100% impossible to stop or help a player from getting injured.

Play the game deal with the consequences, nothing you can do short of not playing at all is going to have any effect on if you get hurt or not.

P.S. Yes, NFL coaches are undeniable idiots for thinking that less carries can stop a back from getting hurt. They are not smart about a lot of things so why would this be any different.

Nguyen still shouldnt get any touches on KO or PRs, he puts the ball on the ground too much.

Lol. So a running back that carries the ball once per game is just as likely to get injured as an RB that carries the ball 50 times per game? I sure as Fuuuh hope you don't play poker... :lol:

Having said all that, you almost do have a point of you phrase it better. I'd say the chances of an RB getting hurt carrying the ball 20 times per game versus 25 or 30 is probably not statistically relevant enough to make the decision to bench him in order to "save" him. Heck, might even help a little bit to keep him warmed up, adrenaline goin, into the flow of the game...

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Quit lying to people, you and I both know he put the ball on the ground more than once, he dropped 3 in one game. Why are you being dishonest to your minions on eGriz?

Actually, what everyone knows is that the Griz didn't lose one single fumble last year, whether from Nguyen's running or receiving or his returning punts or kickoffs. Not 1. This is indisputable. But, of course, continue your lies and vendettas. That is apparently who you are or want to be.

So you are lying to everyone on the planet by saying Nguyen never once put the ball on the ground?

Got it, consider the source LOL!!!

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The whole "injury prone" argument is way over used. It is football. Ankles , knees, shoulders and brains are not designed to take the punishment the sport provides. The idea that a guy is a wimp because he has been hurt a lot says more about the sport than his stamina. Shit happens.

Agreed and more or less carrys or touches means jack shit, it only takes one and that player could get hurt as easily walking to class as he can on a football field. It is 100% impossible to stop or help a player from getting injured.

Play the game deal with the consequences, nothing you can do short of not playing at all is going to have any effect on if you get hurt or not.

P.S. Yes, NFL coaches are undeniable idiots for thinking that less carries can stop a back from getting hurt. They are not smart about a lot of things so why would this be any different.

Nguyen still shouldnt get any touches on KO or PRs, he puts the ball on the ground too much.

Lol. So a running back that carries the ball once per game is just as likely to get injured as an RB that carries the ball 50 times per game? I sure as Fuuuh hope you don't play poker... [emoji38]

Having said all that, you almost do have a point of you phrase it better. I'd say the chances of an RB getting hurt carrying the ball 20 times per game versus 25 or 30 is probably not statistically relevant enough to make the decision to bench him in order to "save" him. Heck, might even help a little bit to keep him warmed up, adrenaline goin, into the flow of the game...

One run can injure you.........so you get it.

 

[jodcon]

I realize Alpha is working on you guys a little bit, but the fact is Nguyen does muff a lot of punts, just because we've been unbelievably lucky that he didn't lose any of them this year doesn't mean they didn't happen. What if 3 or 4 would have been recovered by the enemy?

I like what he brings to the offense, has always played very well and I think he will contribute heavily this year, but honestly I hope they come up with another option returning punts because every time he drops back I get a case of tight sack syndrome from the anxiety.

 

[HookedonGriz]

I am in support of Nyugen 100%.... But only as a running back.

I'm with Alpha on one level....He scares the daylights out of me as a punt returner. The stats prove he didn't fumble or muff a lot of punts. What the stats don't show are how many times he made a poor decision on a return. These include not coming up on a punt to fair catch and create good field position. I can't count the number of times that happened. Then he also would let the ball bounce, bounce, bounce and decide to grab last second taking a hit and risking a fumble. I can't count the number of times he did that as well.

With that being said, he is a stud RB and has shown he can move, make people miss, hit a hole hard, catch a pass, and take a hit. I seriously won't be surprised if he puts up 1000 yards this season. I'm happy to have him as a back....just hope to see a better punt returner.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I realize Alpha is working on you guys a little bit, but the fact is Nguyen does muff a lot of punts, just because we've been unbelievably lucky that he didn't lose any of them this year doesn't mean they didn't happen. What if 3 or 4 would have been recovered by the enemy?

I like what he brings to the offense, has always played very well and I think he will contribute heavily this year, but honestly I hope they come up with another option returning punts because every time he drops back I get a case of tight sack syndrome from the anxiety.

True. But muffs don't count as fumbles.....

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I realize Alpha is working on you guys a little bit, but the fact is Nguyen does muff a lot of punts, just because we've been unbelievably lucky that he didn't lose any of them this year doesn't mean they didn't happen. What if 3 or 4 would have been recovered by the enemy?

I like what he brings to the offense, has always played very well and I think he will contribute heavily this year, but honestly I hope they come up with another option returning punts because every time he drops back I get a case of tight sack syndrome from the anxiety.

True. But muffs don't count as fumbles on the stat sheet. Even if the other team recovers the muffed punt, it's not a fumble according to the rules.

 

[jodcon]

I realize Alpha is working on you guys a little bit, but the fact is Nguyen does muff a lot of punts, just because we've been unbelievably lucky that he didn't lose any of them this year doesn't mean they didn't happen. What if 3 or 4 would have been recovered by the enemy?

I like what he brings to the offense, has always played very well and I think he will contribute heavily this year, but honestly I hope they come up with another option returning punts because every time he drops back I get a case of tight sack syndrome from the anxiety.

True. But muffs don't count as fumbles on the stat sheet. Even if the other team recovers the muffed punt, it's not a fumble according to the rules.

Yeah I think that's been covered quite well, and now twice more. :lol:

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I am in support of Nyugen 100%.... But only as a running back.

I'm with Alpha on one level....He scares the daylights out of me as a punt returner. The stats prove he didn't fumble or muff a lot of punts. What the stats don't show are how many times he made a poor decision on a return. These include not coming up on a punt to fair catch and create good field position. I can't count the number of times that happened. Then he also would let the ball bounce, bounce, bounce and decide to grab last second taking a hit and risking a fumble. I can't count the number of times he did that as well.

With that being said, he is a stud RB and has shown he can move, make people miss, hit a hole hard, catch a pass, and take a hit. I seriously won't be surprised if he puts up 1000 yards this season. I'm happy to have him as a back....just hope to see a better punt returner.

Why would Nguyen "scare the daylights out of you" on PRs?

According to BrintJack............he never puts the ball on the ground.....not even once.

 

[bigforkgriz]

My recollection is that Nyugen too often mishandles punt returns. However, the main reason I would like someone else do it is his lack of top end speed. He does not have a good chance of taking it to the house. He will be caught from behind.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Once again playARapE will argue that since Nguyen returned one for a TD against some DII school he is probably the single best ever to play the position.

:jack:

 

[catsack]

I'm just gonna put this put there, since it seems bashing Griz players who fumble is the new topic of this thread. Chase Reynolds fumbled twice in a game seven different times in his career. And I doubt anyone but Bobby Hauck blasted him for it.

IIRC one of those games was against the cats (2010) and they were both inside the cats' 10 yard line. I guess that negates all of his accomplishments as a player.

One of those fumbles was Kemps inside the ten Chase only had one that game!

 

[George Ferguson]

Not criticizing, but CR had two fumbles in that game and Kemp had one

 

[rimrockgriz]

My recollection is that Nyugen too often mishandles punt returns. However, the main reason I would like someone else do it is his lack of top end speed. He does not have a good chance of taking it to the house. He will be caught from behind.

Your recollection is correct. He's constantly out of position at end of the ball flight during punt returns. He's either nervous or his depth perception is lacking, as he makes sudden moves just before touching the ball. Many times he hits the spot to catch the ball with bad momentum. KO's are not as bad because it's an easier catch and the play is more structured and predictable. But, why take the risk with multiple bodies available to do the job? Like I barked about Bleskin before the Brawl..."he has a propensity to turn the ball over". Let's see if he can excel at r.b.? The competition isn't what it has been of late...so give that a shot. Squeeze the football young man... :egriz:

 

[mtgrizrule]

Yes other great GRIZ have fumbled and unfortunately at bad times. With that said, when a Chase Reynolds, Lex Hillard, Jordan Canada, etc fumbled, too many fans it was surprising. Keep in mind those players also handled the ball more often than Nguyen does. To me, when either Nguyen mishandled a PR, or fumbled on offense, it really did not surprise me.

I have to admit, I agree with Alpha on this. I really don't want to see Nguyen doing any kind of returns this season. I really am hoping another rb emerges to share or get more of the RB work load this season. It will take a lot to sell me on Nguyen as a feature back.

 

[grizcountry420]

Yes other great GRIZ have fumbled and unfortunately at bad times. With that said, when a Chase Reynolds, Lex Hillard, Jordan Canada, etc fumbled, too many fans it was surprising. Keep in mind those players also handled the ball more often than Nguyen does. To me, when either Nguyen mishandled a PR, or fumbled on offense, it really did not surprise me.

I have to admit, I agree with Alpha on this. I really don't want to see Nguyen doing any kind of returns this season. I really am hoping another rb emerges to share or get more of the RB work load this season. It will take a lot to sell me on Nguyen as a feature back.

Yo was solid with the ball. We need another kid from Alaska. He ran mad..