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Split post; Growler1 believes Grizzly O-L is inexperienced
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grizcountry420
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Maynardsgametrail
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As time goes on this season, I believe Trevor Poole will get some big time attention, and in the end may even get 1st team all Big Sky. He is one mean SOB, and is by far the fastest and most agile lineman we have. And he just keeps getting bigger and bigger. :thumb:
After 3-4 games to gel, and they remain healthy, this will be one our best o-line units ever. :thumb:
After 3-4 games to gel, and they remain healthy, this will be one our best o-line units ever. :thumb:
With all things considered I believe we could open against "the Montana State Kittens" and win handily.
I don't think it would be like last game, we'd only win this time at around 30-11 and this is before the GBI guaranteed injury to Delirious. The Griz still cream the Kittens even with black Jesus playing all blame long.
I don't think it would be like last game, we'd only win this time at around 30-11 and this is before the GBI guaranteed injury to Delirious. The Griz still cream the Kittens even with black Jesus playing all blame long.
WyomingGrizFan
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So, as it stands now, as I can understand it any, this is the projected Offensive Line (OL) and members:
LT - Trevor Poole #72 6-5 290 lbs. 2
LG - Jake Hendrickson #77 6-3.5 300 lbs. 4
C - Kjelby Oiland #69 6-4 295 lbs. 3
RG - William Poehls #75 6-8 340 lbs. 3
RT - Dan Kistler #76 6-8 315 lbs 3
...with tentative active reserves:
Logan Hines #66 6-4 291 lbs 3
Jordan Hines #65 6-4 295 lbs. 3
Brett Brauer #63 6-2 261 lbs 4
Redshirt Freshmen:
John Schmaing #74 6-7 265 lbs
Samson Kaleikini #73 6-5 280 lbs
Zachary Taves #64 6-4 260 lbs
More than likely, at present, 2012 Redshirts:
Todd McCauley #79 6-7 280 lbs
Clint LaRowe #78 6-5 250 lbs
Max Kelly #68 6-7 265 lbs
Devon Dietrich #71 6-5 260 lbs
Ben Weyer #70 6-4 275 lbs
LT - Trevor Poole #72 6-5 290 lbs. 2
LG - Jake Hendrickson #77 6-3.5 300 lbs. 4
C - Kjelby Oiland #69 6-4 295 lbs. 3
RG - William Poehls #75 6-8 340 lbs. 3
RT - Dan Kistler #76 6-8 315 lbs 3
...with tentative active reserves:
Logan Hines #66 6-4 291 lbs 3
Jordan Hines #65 6-4 295 lbs. 3
Brett Brauer #63 6-2 261 lbs 4
Redshirt Freshmen:
John Schmaing #74 6-7 265 lbs
Samson Kaleikini #73 6-5 280 lbs
Zachary Taves #64 6-4 260 lbs
More than likely, at present, 2012 Redshirts:
Todd McCauley #79 6-7 280 lbs
Clint LaRowe #78 6-5 250 lbs
Max Kelly #68 6-7 265 lbs
Devon Dietrich #71 6-5 260 lbs
Ben Weyer #70 6-4 275 lbs
WyomingGrizFan said:
Poehls on his FB account the other week said he's at about 320, a lot more lean and mean - should really help him out there. The way I see depth
LT: Poole / Schmang
LG: Hendrickson / Hines
C: Oiland / Hines / Brauer
RG: Poehls / Kalekini / Bradshaw
RT: Kistler / Taves
I also think Todd and Weyer could make a run at the depth chart as well.
WyomingGrizFan
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I wasn't too certain whether Shawn Bradshaw #61 sophomore would be on the depth chart for the OL; heard he might have been rotated into the Defensive side of affairs, such as a DE.
mtgrizrule
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I can actually see both sides of this. As far as game experience, for individuals, BW is right. I also cannot dispute what Delaney thinks. He should know best.
With that said, I can actually see where G1 is coming from here. I have heard many OL and DL coaches, analysts, and former linemen comment, similar to what G1 is thinking.
OL is as good as how well they play together. Anytime there is a few new pieces to the puzzle, the letdown of only one player can lead to weaker performance as a unit. Granted, according to BW, our front line returnees have a lot of in game experience, and versatility. However, the depth is questionable, due to being "untested" (as G1 points out). Being untested, is not a bad thing, nor a good thing, it is something that cannot be answered until they get experience.
4/5's of the OL could be on top their game, yet 1 OL making mistakes, and not on the same page, can cause a lot of problems, for the unit. It will take time, likely a month, or more for the GRIZ to get 7 to 8 rotational linemen all on the same page, and knowing one another. Couple that with a gauntlet of various QB rotations, and strategies, to figure who the QB is, will cause some further growing pains. Especially when each QB is a different kind of qb.
The easiest, and best way to transition, is to rely on the running game, no matter who the qb is. I have heard Mark Schlereth and Big Al Williams repeatedly say, "It is easier for OL to run block, and they enjoy it a lot more, than pass blocking." A running game takes pressure off the whole offense, and so many less variables to execute.
The success of the OL will be determined by the style of play, and strategy the coaching staff chooses. IF, they choose more of a passing offense, it better be quick passes, yet Rosenbach wants to bring more long ball to the offense. I expect some inconsistent OL play if the GRIZ adapt more of a passing offense, early. G1 will likely be closer to right, in this case.
I am hoping the GRIZ start the season relying more on the running game, and progressively add more and more passing to the offense. To me that is what makes most sense. If, that is how they go, the OL will likely be much more consistent, as will the offense. So, BW will likely be more right.
BW and G1, you both are at the mercy of inexperienced QB play, and coaching strategy. Stay tuned to see how it all plays out? Seriously, we have no idea what Delaney will adapt, offensively. Based on his experience, I am leaning toward him, bringing a little more smash mouth, and attitude back, yet, keep a lot of Pflu's quick passing game, with more play action, and less gadget plays (Pflu ran too many, Hauck ran too few). I hope Delaney has a little of both BH and Pflu, in this offense.
With that said, I can actually see where G1 is coming from here. I have heard many OL and DL coaches, analysts, and former linemen comment, similar to what G1 is thinking.
OL is as good as how well they play together. Anytime there is a few new pieces to the puzzle, the letdown of only one player can lead to weaker performance as a unit. Granted, according to BW, our front line returnees have a lot of in game experience, and versatility. However, the depth is questionable, due to being "untested" (as G1 points out). Being untested, is not a bad thing, nor a good thing, it is something that cannot be answered until they get experience.
4/5's of the OL could be on top their game, yet 1 OL making mistakes, and not on the same page, can cause a lot of problems, for the unit. It will take time, likely a month, or more for the GRIZ to get 7 to 8 rotational linemen all on the same page, and knowing one another. Couple that with a gauntlet of various QB rotations, and strategies, to figure who the QB is, will cause some further growing pains. Especially when each QB is a different kind of qb.
The easiest, and best way to transition, is to rely on the running game, no matter who the qb is. I have heard Mark Schlereth and Big Al Williams repeatedly say, "It is easier for OL to run block, and they enjoy it a lot more, than pass blocking." A running game takes pressure off the whole offense, and so many less variables to execute.
The success of the OL will be determined by the style of play, and strategy the coaching staff chooses. IF, they choose more of a passing offense, it better be quick passes, yet Rosenbach wants to bring more long ball to the offense. I expect some inconsistent OL play if the GRIZ adapt more of a passing offense, early. G1 will likely be closer to right, in this case.
I am hoping the GRIZ start the season relying more on the running game, and progressively add more and more passing to the offense. To me that is what makes most sense. If, that is how they go, the OL will likely be much more consistent, as will the offense. So, BW will likely be more right.
BW and G1, you both are at the mercy of inexperienced QB play, and coaching strategy. Stay tuned to see how it all plays out? Seriously, we have no idea what Delaney will adapt, offensively. Based on his experience, I am leaning toward him, bringing a little more smash mouth, and attitude back, yet, keep a lot of Pflu's quick passing game, with more play action, and less gadget plays (Pflu ran too many, Hauck ran too few). I hope Delaney has a little of both BH and Pflu, in this offense.
:lol:
mtgrizrule said:
Yes, they will take more deep shots this year with Rosey, but according to coach they will stress getting rid of the ball even faster than the last couple of years.
"The big question for our team going in to this season now that we have two new coordinators is - `what are we going to see that is completely different'?" he said. "The answer to that question is that you won't see anything that's completely different. You will see the same, fast-tempo pace most of the time.
"The next thing that you'll see is coach (Timm) Rosenbach (UM's offensive coordinator, who took over for Jonathan Smith, now an assistant coach at Boise State) has brought what we call the quick passing game," Delaney said. "If you are under center, it's a three-step drop; if you're in the `gun,' it's catch, gather, and throw. I think in those changes that you will see our passing percentage sky-rocket.
"Those tweaks let us do a couple of things," he continued. "First, it lets you get the ball up and out, as the receivers are running very quick routes. Second, it is also a good way to beat a big-pressure, blitz team. I am really excited about that.
"The other thing that you will see on offense that is a little bit different is we'll probably be a little more tight end and H-back oriented at times," Delaney said. "I think that will give us better capability in short yardage situations and on the goal-line.
"I am really excited about the overall prospect of what we have the potential to be offensively, and that is a team that can move the ball and score a lot of points," he said.
mtgrizrule said:
I am right as usual. Anyone who takes Brints jaded opinions as being the gospel just demonstrates how little he knows about the game. Reality always trumps hyperbole coming from fans who lack any objectivity. Re-Max makes a statement of strength, and his legion of lemmings follows.
I am NOT saying that our line does not have POTENTIAL to be good. And, I think our line next season may be very good. But I also know that the O-line must function as a cohesive unit, to be great, and there is no freakin' way this group has enough real-time game experience to be at that level now. I get tired of bursting hyperbole bubbles, but somebody has to be the voice of reason here!
mtgrizrule
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Hammer said:
Thanks, Hammer. I am hoping, I will not have to be pissed off after every short yardage/goal line play this year. As much as I love Pflu's offense, short and goal line plays, were really pathetic. :thumb:
funny water
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Hammer said:
agreed! maybe a dose of Kirschner (sp?) too......
WyomingGrizFan said:
that's a lot of beef on the right side especially, 6'5.5" 308 average. The NFL average is 6'5" 300. Nice!
