Speltz on Bobby Hauck

[PlayerRep]

In Stitt's first year, he beat NC NDSU, manhandled MSU and won a playoff game. In his first year, BH lost to DII NDSU, lost to MSU and did not win a playoff game.

"As you know, Delaney was succeeded by Bob Stitt, who lost five games in his debut season. Hauck never lost five games in a season at Montana. He lost four in his last three seasons combined."

In 2003, UM lost in in the round of 16 just like UM did this year. In 2003, I believe UM finished the season ranked no. 13; UM was 14 this season. UM also won the conference in 2003. Yes, UM beat NDSU once and MSU this year, but also lost to Weber and Cal Poly at home, and PSU on the road.

We could have a poll to see what is most important to Griz fans. I'll take my list.

I happen to agree with your post, Kem. But we should have some rules around the voting process.

Would the poll include which coach fired someone's favorite defensive coordinator which is why he is so butt hurt?

Would the poll include which coach managed the team with a a degree of intelligence, maturity and integrity?

Would the poll be open to hypocrites who formally decried anyone who spoke negatively about UM football personnel, including convicted felons, but now takes cheap shots at a coach who canned his buddy who made him feel like an insider?

Ursa, you just can't be objective and won't look at what posters actually say. I like Stitt. I know him as well as I knew Delaney. It doesn't surprise me that a new coach who brings a DC whom he likes, but hires the DC from the prior staff, will eventually prefer his own DC. Everyone seems to have good thinks to say about Semore. I was hearing that Stitt like him alot several weeks before it was announced that Stitt had the job. There have been no cheap shots from me about Stitt. You are a liar.

 

[PlayerRep]

Hauck took over a Cadillac program. Stitt took over an Edsel program. And WITH that Edsel program beat NDSU, EWU, MSU, SDSU, all in the same year.

Game/Set/Match to Stitt.

That's true and under Hauck the Cadillac got polished, got a tune up and was running better than at any point prior to him taking the keys. People will point to Joe Glenn as having a better term, I really like Glen but he wasn't here long enough to be put in the same category as Hauck. I think Stitt has the potential to better Hauck, but only time will tell. BTW, Stitt wasn't handed an Edsell (the Griz had made the playoffs for two straight years) but perhaps a Ford Taurus.

Hauck inherited a team that had been to the NC game two of the past three years and was just one year removed from a national title.

Stitt inherited a team that had been to the PLAYOFFS two of the past three years, never advancing past the round of 16. Taurus might be being kind. More like "Escort".

Not to mention that Stitt also had to overcome a complete change to the offense, just like the players, but was also dealt a four scholarship deficit.

I have no ill will towards BH because I sure loved all the winning, but for those who think Stitt was dealt an equal hand as Hauck...you are nuts.

"Overcame"? Stitt changed the offense. Good point on the schollies.

 

[spsyk]

We could have a poll to see what is most important to Griz fans. I'll take my list.

Hauck took over a Cadillac program. Stitt took over an Edsel program. And WITH that Edsel program beat NDSU, EWU, MSU, SDSU, all in the same year.

Game/Set/Match to Stitt.

So, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, is an Edsel team, I think you are a little confused, it is coach Stitt that was hired from a YUGO conference and team.

Coach Stitt will not be around long enough to match coach Hauck accomplishments at the University Of Montana, and as far as Hauck winning a NC, you made it clear that it takes 1,000,000 000 things to go right in order to win a NC, with one exception, NDSU they have everything going right, and in my lifetime or the lifetime of anyone else in this forum, no team will match NDSU acomplishments.

13 National Championships ( in two different conferences, five in a row in the FCS and on there way their way to the sixth ). The only college program to win five NCAA Championship.

32 Conference Championships

25 game winning streak, best in both FBS and the FCS

Beat FBS teams as easily as FCS teams

Now, I'm not a Hauck fanboy, however coach Stitt has some large shoes to fill the legacy of the Griz, and Griz fans, can hate on the Bison, although if they are football fans the must respect the legacy of NDSU

So you think Stitt won't be here long. Is that cus he's so good an FBS school will snatch him up or so bad that Montana will fire him?

Well, I will respond to your inquiry, and no doubt will get the hate because of it.

Coach Stitt spent 15 years at School of Mines,and was nothing more than a mediocre record, with arguably less than mediocre talented athletes.

So, if the University of Montana is satisfied with mediocrity and the fan base is content and keep the seats filled, he should be here for fifteen years.

However, IMHO I don't believe that coach Stitt offense will ever dominate the FCS, let alone getting a shot at the FBS, now, that is not to say that coach Stitt is not a good coach, I believe it's just his offense.

Any team with a better than average defense, can defend his offense, case in point NDSU, not to diminish the Griz first game victory over NDSU, although, the second game played against NDSU validated the first game as a fluke.

Now in the 15 years at School of mines, could anyone tell about offers that coach Stitt got from any FCS or FBS schools for any position, not even his mentor Joe Glenn offered him a position, that is why I'm dubious about the hiring of coach Stitt, forget about Bobby Hauck, who else was considered for the job, and perhaps coach Stitt was our best alternative, considering any other coach that had intrest was concern about the University of Montana job, due to the unjust firing of Jim O'Day and Robin Pflugrad

 

[CrunchGriz]

"As you know, Delaney was succeeded by Bob Stitt, who lost five games in his debut season. Hauck never lost five games in a season at Montana. He lost four in his last three seasons combined."

In 2003, UM lost in in the round of 16 just like UM did this year. In 2003, I believe UM finished the season ranked no. 13; UM was 14 this season. UM also won the conference in 2003. Yes, UM beat NDSU once and MSU this year, but also lost to Weber and Cal Poly at home, and PSU on the road.

We could have a poll to see what is most important to Griz fans. I'll take my list.

Hauck took over a Cadillac program. Stitt took over an Edsel program. And WITH that Edsel program beat NDSU, EWU, MSU, SDSU, all in the same year.

Game/Set/Match to Stitt.

That's true and under Hauck the Cadillac got polished, got a tune up and was running better than at any point prior to him taking the keys. People will point to Joe Glenn as having a better term, I really like Glen but he wasn't here long enough to be put in the same category as Hauck. I think Stitt has the potential to better Hauck, but only time will tell. BTW, Stitt wasn't handed an Edsell (the Griz had made the playoffs for two straight years) but perhaps a Ford Taurus.

Disagree. 1995. 2001.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Hauck took over a Cadillac program. Stitt took over an Edsel program. And WITH that Edsel program beat NDSU, EWU, MSU, SDSU, all in the same year.

Game/Set/Match to Stitt.

That's true and under Hauck the Cadillac got polished, got a tune up and was running better than at any point prior to him taking the keys. People will point to Joe Glenn as having a better term, I really like Glen but he wasn't here long enough to be put in the same category as Hauck. I think Stitt has the potential to better Hauck, but only time will tell. BTW, Stitt wasn't handed an Edsell (the Griz had made the playoffs for two straight years) but perhaps a Ford Taurus.

Hauck inherited a team that had been to the NC game two of the past three years and was just one year removed from a national title.

Stitt inherited a team that had been to the PLAYOFFS two of the past three years, never advancing past the round of 16. Taurus might be being kind. More like "Escort".

Stitt inherited a team with multiple returning starerts, seniors numbering in the high teens, 3 NFL quality receivers, a veteran defense, and the national defensive player of the year. Hauck inherited a team with 14 returning seniors. Again, Hauck won the conference and lost in the round of 16 just like this year's team.

Hauck inherited a team with fully 50% of the members owning NC rings. Stitt inherited a team with 0% of the team owning BSC title rings. The redshirting freshmen on Stitt's first team were in 7th grade the last time the Griz were even IN the national title game. I could do this all day....

 

[AZGrizFan]

Hauck took over a Cadillac program. Stitt took over an Edsel program. And WITH that Edsel program beat NDSU, EWU, MSU, SDSU, all in the same year.

Game/Set/Match to Stitt.

So, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, is an Edsel team, I think you are a little confused, it is coach Stitt that was hired from a YUGO conference and team.

Coach Stitt will not be around long enough to match coach Hauck accomplishments at the University Of Montana, and as far as Hauck winning a NC, you made it clear that it takes 1,000,000 000 things to go right in order to win a NC, with one exception, NDSU they have everything going right, and in my lifetime or the lifetime of anyone else in this forum, no team will match NDSU acomplishments.

13 National Championships ( in two different conferences, five in a row in the FCS and on there way their way to the sixth ). The only college program to win five NCAA Championship.

32 Conference Championships

25 game winning streak, best in both FBS and the FCS

Beat FBS teams as easily as FCS teams

Now, I'm not a Hauck fanboy, however coach Stitt has some large shoes to fill the legacy of the Griz, and Griz fans, can hate on the Bison, although if they are football fans the must respect the legacy of NDSU

So you think Stitt won't be here long. Is that cus he's so good an FBS school will snatch him up or so bad that Montana will fire him?

Well, I will respond to your inquiry, and no doubt will get the hate because of it.

Coach Stitt spent 15 years at School of Mines,and was nothing more than a mediocre record, with arguably less than mediocre talented athletes.

So, if the University of Montana is satisfied with mediocrity and the fan base is content and keep the seats filled, he should be here for fifteen years.

However, IMHO I don't believe that coach Stitt offense will ever dominate the FCS, let alone getting a shot at the FBS, now, that is not to say that coach Stitt is not a good coach, I believe it's just his offense.

Any team with a better than average defense, can defend his offense, case in point NDSU, not to diminish the Griz first game victory over NDSU, although, the second game played against NDSU validated the first game as a fluke.

Now in the 15 years at School of mines, could anyone tell about offers that coach Stitt got from any FCS or FBS schools for any position, not even his mentor Joe Glenn offered him a position, that is why I'm dubious about the hiring of coach Stitt, forget about Bobby Hauck, who else was considered for the job, and perhaps coach Stitt was our best alternative, considering any other coach that had intrest was concern about the University of Montana job, due to the unjust firing of Jim O'Day and Robin Pflugrad

That is quite a damning assessment given that he's been here exactly one year and not a single one of his recruits has seen the field yet. But to each his own, I guess. Don't come beggin' for a seat on the bandwagon when we're rolling through the playoffs in a couple years.

 

[spsyk]

So, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, is an Edsel team, I think you are a little confused, it is coach Stitt that was hired from a YUGO conference and team.

Coach Stitt will not be around long enough to match coach Hauck accomplishments at the University Of Montana, and as far as Hauck winning a NC, you made it clear that it takes 1,000,000 000 things to go right in order to win a NC, with one exception, NDSU they have everything going right, and in my lifetime or the lifetime of anyone else in this forum, no team will match NDSU acomplishments.

13 National Championships ( in two different conferences, five in a row in the FCS and on there way their way to the sixth ). The only college program to win five NCAA Championship.

32 Conference Championships

25 game winning streak, best in both FBS and the FCS

Beat FBS teams as easily as FCS teams

Now, I'm not a Hauck fanboy, however coach Stitt has some large shoes to fill the legacy of the Griz, and Griz fans, can hate on the Bison, although if they are football fans the must respect the legacy of NDSU

So you think Stitt won't be here long. Is that cus he's so good an FBS school will snatch him up or so bad that Montana will fire him?

Well, I will respond to your inquiry, and no doubt will get the hate because of it.

Coach Stitt spent 15 years at School of Mines,and was nothing more than a mediocre record, with arguably less than mediocre talented athletes.

So, if the University of Montana is satisfied with mediocrity and the fan base is content and keep the seats filled, he should be here for fifteen years.

However, IMHO I don't believe that coach Stitt offense will ever dominate the FCS, let alone getting a shot at the FBS, now, that is not to say that coach Stitt is not a good coach, I believe it's just his offense.

Any team with a better than average defense, can defend his offense, case in point NDSU, not to diminish the Griz first game victory over NDSU, although, the second game played against NDSU validated the first game as a fluke.

Now in the 15 years at School of mines, could anyone tell about offers that coach Stitt got from any FCS or FBS schools for any position, not even his mentor Joe Glenn offered him a position, that is why I'm dubious about the hiring of coach Stitt, forget about Bobby Hauck, who else was considered for the job, and perhaps coach Stitt was our best alternative, considering any other coach that had intrest was concern about the University of Montana job, due to the unjust firing of Jim O'Day and Robin Pflugrad

That is quite a damning assessment given that he's been here exactly one year and not a single one of his recruits has seen the field yet. But to each his own, I guess. Don't come beggin' for a seat on the bandwagon when we're rolling through the playoffs in a couple years.

I won't be begging for anything, I will admit I was wrong,and life will go on, and if I'm right, your head will be up the next coaches ass before he proves himself, because that is what neophytes do.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

Can't be considered the best without winning a Championship.

Only 1 team is the best every year. Many teams have great seasons without winning the championship. You are one of those never played the game guys. Don't understand the game or sport.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2038878-top-10-college-football-head-coaches-who-never-played
I understand that the distinction is they've never played college ball but still, you should stop with that argument. It really does make you sound petty. A weeny little nerd can still fully understand what concepts work and don't work in any sport w/o setting foot inside the lines. For the record, I never played past my high school days at Msla Big Sky.

No, Alabama, you need to understand what I have stated clearly many times. Some posters show that they never played the game and don't understand the game. That does not mean that it's necessary to have played the game to understand the game. I trust that you can understand that difference. Every poster who has an opinion on egriz does not get a ribbon, at least not from me. If I can see that they don't know what they're talking about, and I don't respect them, then I just might tell them that they never played the game. Maybe you're a ribbon guy; I'm not.

I'm not a ribbon guy. I just don't have to insult people when I'm proving them wrong. That's usually what people with little intelligence do. I know that your an Ivy guy because you state it quite often and have some intelligence so it surprises me that you stoop to that level repeatedly. Jus sayin I expect more from educated people but then again I see it from tons of people on here. I guess when we hide behind screen names, were a lot quicker insult.

 

[AZGrizFan]

So you think Stitt won't be here long. Is that cus he's so good an FBS school will snatch him up or so bad that Montana will fire him?

Well, I will respond to your inquiry, and no doubt will get the hate because of it.

Coach Stitt spent 15 years at School of Mines,and was nothing more than a mediocre record, with arguably less than mediocre talented athletes.

So, if the University of Montana is satisfied with mediocrity and the fan base is content and keep the seats filled, he should be here for fifteen years.

However, IMHO I don't believe that coach Stitt offense will ever dominate the FCS, let alone getting a shot at the FBS, now, that is not to say that coach Stitt is not a good coach, I believe it's just his offense.

Any team with a better than average defense, can defend his offense, case in point NDSU, not to diminish the Griz first game victory over NDSU, although, the second game played against NDSU validated the first game as a fluke.

Now in the 15 years at School of mines, could anyone tell about offers that coach Stitt got from any FCS or FBS schools for any position, not even his mentor Joe Glenn offered him a position, that is why I'm dubious about the hiring of coach Stitt, forget about Bobby Hauck, who else was considered for the job, and perhaps coach Stitt was our best alternative, considering any other coach that had intrest was concern about the University of Montana job, due to the unjust firing of Jim O'Day and Robin Pflugrad

That is quite a damning assessment given that he's been here exactly one year and not a single one of his recruits has seen the field yet. But to each his own, I guess. Don't come beggin' for a seat on the bandwagon when we're rolling through the playoffs in a couple years.

I won't be begging for anything, I will admit I was wrong,and life will go on, and if I'm right, your head will be up the next coaches ass before he proves himself, because that is what neophytes do.

I see. So, in your world, feeling positive about the hire and the direction of the team equates to being a neophyte. Huh. I guess I thought it meant I was a fan. Who knew?

 

[alabamagrizzly]

Hauck took over a Cadillac program. Stitt took over an Edsel program. And WITH that Edsel program beat NDSU, EWU, MSU, SDSU, all in the same year.

Game/Set/Match to Stitt.

So, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, is an Edsel team, I think you are a little confused, it is coach Stitt that was hired from a YUGO conference and team.

Coach Stitt will not be around long enough to match coach Hauck accomplishments at the University Of Montana, and as far as Hauck winning a NC, you made it clear that it takes 1,000,000 000 things to go right in order to win a NC, with one exception, NDSU they have everything going right, and in my lifetime or the lifetime of anyone else in this forum, no team will match NDSU acomplishments.

13 National Championships ( in two different conferences, five in a row in the FCS and on there way their way to the sixth ). The only college program to win five NCAA Championship.

32 Conference Championships

25 game winning streak, best in both FBS and the FCS

Beat FBS teams as easily as FCS teams

Now, I'm not a Hauck fanboy, however coach Stitt has some large shoes to fill the legacy of the Griz, and Griz fans, can hate on the Bison, although if they are football fans the must respect the legacy of NDSU

So you think Stitt won't be here long. Is that cus he's so good an FBS school will snatch him up or so bad that Montana will fire him?

Coach Stitt spent 15 years at School of Mines,and was nothing more than a mediocre record, with arguably less than mediocre talented athletes.

I get it that a 65% winning percentage IS considered mediocre by our standards (53% for Delanny and 72% by Phlugrad). By your sentence you say that he had "less then mediocre talent" to achieve that record. Phlugrad had Bobby's team and barely did better, largely thanks to his second year at the helm. I'm not getting into the forfeited games cus I think that was bull. At Mines, Stitt was getting kids to pay to play and making mostly winners of them while teams around him had schollies to offer. Here he's already brought in two of the best recruiting classes ever (time will tell) and I'll guess by year three, we'll be contending for nattys again, let alone BSC championships.

 

[spsyk]

Well, I will respond to your inquiry, and no doubt will get the hate because of it.

Coach Stitt spent 15 years at School of Mines,and was nothing more than a mediocre record, with arguably less than mediocre talented athletes.

So, if the University of Montana is satisfied with mediocrity and the fan base is content and keep the seats filled, he should be here for fifteen years.

However, IMHO I don't believe that coach Stitt offense will ever dominate the FCS, let alone getting a shot at the FBS, now, that is not to say that coach Stitt is not a good coach, I believe it's just his offense.

Any team with a better than average defense, can defend his offense, case in point NDSU, not to diminish the Griz first game victory over NDSU, although, the second game played against NDSU validated the first game as a fluke.

Now in the 15 years at School of mines, could anyone tell about offers that coach Stitt got from any FCS or FBS schools for any position, not even his mentor Joe Glenn offered him a position, that is why I'm dubious about the hiring of coach Stitt, forget about Bobby Hauck, who else was considered for the job, and perhaps coach Stitt was our best alternative, considering any other coach that had intrest was concern about the University of Montana job, due to the unjust firing of Jim O'Day and Robin Pflugrad

That is quite a damning assessment given that he's been here exactly one year and not a single one of his recruits has seen the field yet. But to each his own, I guess. Don't come beggin' for a seat on the bandwagon when we're rolling through the playoffs in a couple years.

I won't be begging for anything, I will admit I was wrong,and life will go on, and if I'm right, your head will be up the next coaches ass before he proves himself, because that is what neophytes do.

I see. So, in your world, feeling positive about the hire and the direction of the team equates to being a neophyte. Huh. I guess I thought it meant I was a fan. Who knew?

You see,in my world, my friends also great fans, that support Griz football home and away and with the pocketbook, and have been Griz fans longer that perhaps you are old, are not sure about Coach Stitt,we all support him we see some failings, and just being cautious and wait and see.

As a fan my emphasis has always been with the athletes, their commitment is always greater than any coach,they have the aches and pains on Sunday morning,no life other than weight room, practice and studying prior and during the season and after 4 or 5 years a couple may make the big payday, others look for a job.

If the coach is any good he still has a job if not he may be looking for one.

Look, be a fan at the game,or the house party you may watch game, or even the bar that you may go to watch, however on a sports blog, don't let your shorts bring discomfort to your pals,when there is a discussion about some warts that you disagree with, add to the conversation and keep it civil this isn't Utopia not everyone agrees with everyone, thats why we hang out here sometimes.

 

[UMGriz75]

You see,in my world, my friends also great fans, that support Griz football home and away and with the pocketbook, and have been Griz fans longer that perhaps you are old, are not sure about Coach Stitt,we all support him we see some failings, and just being cautious and wait and see.

As a fan my emphasis has always been with the athletes, their commitment is always greater than any coach,they have the aches and pains on Sunday morning,no life other than weight room, practice and studying prior and during the season and after 4 or 5 years a couple may make the big payday, others look for a job.

Well put. :thumb:

 

[Grizzoola]

Maybe the Griz would be in trouble if Hauck was back in FCS, unless they faced him in the national championship, where Hauck's only trophies are for participation. There the Griz would be fine.

I don't know if Hauck would be successful at any FCS school, other than UM. And, I support Hauck. But, his UNLV teams lost both to Northern AZ, a team Hauck beat regularly while at UM, and SUU. Oddly, his UNLV team beat UNC by only one point, 13-12! I still scratch my head over this.

 

[TxGriz]

RE: Recruiting at UNLV vs. Laramie. At least you know at Laramie you have kids who want to be there. At UNLV, well perhaps one of the greatest mysteries of this young century is how Mack Brown is still held with high regard at Texas when the new coach is buried under the burden of turning the culture around at a program that devolved into a country club. I can say the same about the HC post at UNLV, he's got a lot to work with compared to Laramie, but it does put into question the matter of commitment on the part of the recruits.

The long and short of what I was saying was that Bobby Hauck did move the needle at UNLV, which I feel was remarkable in spite of not moving them to the top of the heap in the conference. Trying to turn around certain programs can best described by paraphrasing Jed Clampett, who once opined about Jethro's quest to become a brain surgeon "that ol' boy's got an uphill climb in loose rock". Perhaps a corollary to what I was thinking was that some programs are FBS in name only, but in reality, graveyards for new coaches.

Bobby has moved on and the money quote in the article was that he could again be a head coach.

 

[catsack]

We could have a poll to see what is most important to Griz fans. I'll take my list.

I happen to agree with your post, Kem. But we should have some rules around the voting process.

Would the poll include which coach fired someone's favorite defensive coordinator which is why he is so butt hurt?

Would the poll include which coach managed the team with a a degree of intelligence, maturity and integrity?

Would the poll be open to hypocrites who formally decried anyone who spoke negatively about UM football personnel, including convicted felons, but now takes cheap shots at a coach who canned his buddy who made him feel like an insider?

That same coach was offered like ten different DC jobs , but chose MSU over several FBS jobs!

How much do you want to bet me on the multiple other job offers? Here's how the proof will work. Brint will talk to senior people in the athletic department, and they will verify.

Written contract offers is all I will accept for proof!! Just because a school contacts him ,or other coaches doesn't meen you've been offered a job!!

 

[AZGrizFan]

I won't be begging for anything, I will admit I was wrong,and life will go on, and if I'm right, your head will be up the next coaches ass before he proves himself, because that is what neophytes do.

I see. So, in your world, feeling positive about the hire and the direction of the team equates to being a neophyte. Huh. I guess I thought it meant I was a fan. Who knew?

Look, be a fan at the game,or the house party you may watch game, or even the bar that you may go to watch, however on a sports blog, don't let your shorts bring discomfort to your pals,when there is a discussion about some warts that you disagree with, add to the conversation and keep it civil this isn't Utopia not everyone agrees with everyone, thats why we hang out here sometimes.

:lol: :lol:

Yeah, civil it is. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Oh, and I'm a LOT older than you apparently think I am. :evil: :evil: :evil:

 

[MrTitleist]

RE: Recruiting at UNLV vs. Laramie. At least you know at Laramie you have kids who want to be there.

Recruiting in Laramie is easy as long as you're not recruiting soft kids from Texas.

 

[Grizzlies1982]

RE: Recruiting at UNLV vs. Laramie. At least you know at Laramie you have kids who want to be there.

Recruiting in Laramie is easy.

Titleist, you shouldn't drink so early in the morning. :ugeek:

 

[PlayerRep]

I happen to agree with your post, Kem. But we should have some rules around the voting process.

Would the poll include which coach fired someone's favorite defensive coordinator which is why he is so butt hurt?

Would the poll include which coach managed the team with a a degree of intelligence, maturity and integrity?

Would the poll be open to hypocrites who formally decried anyone who spoke negatively about UM football personnel, including convicted felons, but now takes cheap shots at a coach who canned his buddy who made him feel like an insider?

That same coach was offered like ten different DC jobs , but chose MSU over several FBS jobs!

How much do you want to bet me on the multiple other job offers? Here's how the proof will work. Brint will talk to senior people in the athletic department, and they will verify.

Written contract offers is all I will accept for proof!! Just because a school contacts him ,or other coaches doesn't meen you've been offered a job!!

I knew you would duck betting, because you know you are wrong. Coaches don't get written offers. They get verbal offers, and if they accept, then the formal contract is drafted and negotiated. Verbal offers are made all the time in football and in business.

 

[MrTitleist]

RE: Recruiting at UNLV vs. Laramie. At least you know at Laramie you have kids who want to be there.

Recruiting in Laramie is easy.

Titleist, you shouldn't drink so early in the morning. :ugeek:

Good luck stopping me!