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Some observations regarding Big Sky Conf refs -- 2015

grizzlyjournal

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There will never be a Big Sky Conf. basketball game with a consensus fan agreement that the refs... “called a good game.” In fact, ‘Sky refs get pretty thoroughly maligned on this board.

I have long held the opinion that Big Sky refereeing has been sometimes bad, rarely good... mostly inconsistent... for several years.

But I’ve been hopeful of late. There have been some signs -- over the past two years and this year in particular -- that officiating is improving at Griz games.

I actually tried to to convey a “good game,” message to two refs during the final moments of Montana’s recent games with State and Northern Arizona. In both contests the refs “let the kids play,” with only minimal stoppage of game flow. Otherwise, most whistles were procedural (traveling, out of bounds, etc.). The UM-MSU game was a high-contact, hard fought battle that was a blast to watch. The refs stopped game flow only on clear evidence and otherwise let the game take its course. ( Yes, I am aware that some fans believe the Griz were battered, but they seemed to hold up well to it.)

But the SUU-Montana game of Jan. 24 was clearly a different affair, one in which the reffing “restricted” game flow, and the game, to the clear detriment of players and fans. It was ugly. A lot of its ugliness was because of the excessive and unnecessary whistles. That’s because at least 20 of the 31 total fouls were trivial “hand-check” calls that had a negative effect on game flow. I have no desire to further lambast; reffing is a tough job. But this was a stutter & start & stop-again play that didn’t need reffing interference. Plus, there were nearly 5000 in attendance. It would have been good for the UM program to, especially on this night, have a game with good flow.

I believe there is a high ceiling for improvement in reffing style and consistency in the Big Sky. I’m pretty certain I’m not alone.

I write this opinion assuming that at least one egriz reader is either a referee, or associated with the Big Sky refereeing pool. Therefore, I invite defense, correction or clarification of my views from an insider. I’d like some answers on how to let Big Sky games flow, without excessive intervention on the part of whistle-happy (or whistle-anxious) refs.

One explanation I have heard is that the Big Sky reffing is inconsistent because the conference does not have its own complete pool of refs, but instead contracts refs from several pools, including the WAC, Mountain West, WCC and Pac 12. I know those conferences expect certain standards of refs. But they probably vary, hence the changing style of reffing from night to night. That might explain the dramatic swing in reffing styles we see in the Big Sky.

I DO believe there’s clear evidence that the farther west the games are played, the more uniformly called the games are. Three years ago I heard one Big Sky coach (not from Montana) say that he could always expect a fair game at Sac State... or anywhere on the west coast, because of the larger pools with more experienced refs.

I have also heard from qualified observers that the less competent the ref, the more likely he is anxious to control a game to his own comfort level, rather than going with the flow. That’s a poor excuse at this level.

With all this criticism of the officials, I realize that that any of the three refs from the SUU-UM game could counter with the following: “Hey, this game would not have been so ugly if SUU hadn’t turned the ball over 19 times. Or if Montana had shot the ball better than 2-of-14 from beyond the arc and 15-of-23 from the free throw line.”
 
Better be careful. I mentioned the officiating not being so good against SUU in the game thread, and got a not so flattering comment from an egrizzer about it. I question the officiating when I feel it is merited (the bad calls against Breunig). I admit, I have questioned the officiating a few times this season. In this case, it had been awhile since I questioned the officiating.

As for your analysis of the SUU game, I completely agree with you.
 
Ok, Mtgrizrule. I'm with ya. So, I'll let my initial post stand on its own. Now, I'll take this a few steps further. I'm not worried about criticism from another egrizzer.

I believe Martin Bruenig was targeted by one ref in particular in Montana's win over SUU. It's so easy for a ref to "target" a player and -- play by play -- eliminate him from a game with ticky tack "hand-check" foul calls. It's sooo easy. Who knows what the agenda is, but it was carried out by one official against Breunig. Prove me wrong. Analyze the calls against him. Not a single foul call against MB was legit in my view. Nor were any of the two first-half fouls called against Krslovic.

Officials in the Big Sky use hand-check calls to "gain control" of a game... whatever the motivation. Games can get out of control... gotta let the players know who's boss. Lest I come across as blatantly biased, at least five observed fouls against SUU players were in the same category. They're used by refs to command control of a game. Stop the flow. Let players know who's boss. So... I'm NOT saying a ref wanted one team or the other to win... I'm saying he had an agenda to "control" the game with hand-check calls.

In contrast, the two previous games where the Griz played MSU and NAU, were fairly and objectively called. GREAT job by the refs. True pros. The games, as a result, were significantly more physical. There was bumping and banging. There were hand checks and elbows. Some "no-calls" could have been called. But the refs were fair in their objective discretion. Both games flowed in a natural progression. The teams on the floor played hard, physical basketball. The games were a blast for fans to watch.

Most importantly: THE REFS STAYED CLEAR of the game-flow, only calling what needed to be called. The result? Great games! Hint to the Big Sky: THIS kind of officiating will bring fans back to the games!!!

The Big Sky needs to have an evaluation system that gets rid of refs that do not understand how to let games take their natural course. Hand-check fouls -- 90 percent of the time -- are only a procedural means of a ref controlling a game.

I'll take it a step further. Montana's loss to Davidson was a fantastic first-half game. Immediately at the start of the second half, the refs clamped down and slammed the Griz with 4-7 procedural hand-check calls. Mission accomplished. The game ended up being a fantastic, barn-burning, exciting contest. Davidson won it fair & square. But for the first 5 minutes of the second half, artificial control by the refs dictated game flow. Too bad. That could have been the point where the Griz could have taken control. Don't agree? Watch the replay & get back to me.

Back to the SUU-Montana game. Simply put, I believe (but cannot prove) that Martin Breunig was targeted. I don't know how often it happens, but I have seen -- time and time again -- a ref target a player for one reason or another, and systematically remove him from the game with hand-check calls. It happened to Martin on Jan. 24.

I have no problem with my favorite team, Montnaa, getting beat fair & square. In the long run, had the last shot by SUU gone down... ok. SUU wins fair & square on a last shot. What I'm saying is something about college officiating that needs to be evaluated and addressed.

Division 1 College basketball officiating needs to be changed so that refs cannot artifically control game flow with hand-check foul calls.
 
Not very many refs today realize that they did a great job if no one really notices them. There are quite a few that have to have the attention on them at least once a game.
 
No dispute from me. I could not agree more. Also, illegal screens are another call that seem overly called some games.
 
Regarding the hand-check fouls, two years ago a rule was added to specifically penalize defenders for putting their hands on an offensive player with the ball. The NCAA wants those calls to be made regardless of whether or not an advantage was gained. In other words they don't want officials trying to make judgments about the effect of such contact...they are expected to just whistle them as fouls.

This has been a specific attempt to clean up the game & make defenders play D with their feet. If officials don't make those calls when they are expected to by the NCAA they could lose games. Needless to say, sometimes those calls can make it tough for games to get into a flow, and some marginal contact that used to be overlooked is often a foul now.

It is frustrating for players, coaches and fans but that's just the way it is right now.
 
Agent G said:
Regarding the hand-check fouls, two years ago a rule was added to specifically penalize defenders for putting their hands on an offensive player with the ball. The NCAA wants those calls to be made regardless of whether or not an advantage was gained. In other words they don't want officials trying to make judgments about the effect of such contact...they are expected to just whistle them as fouls.

This has been a specific attempt to clean up the game & make defenders play D with their feet. If officials don't make those calls when they are expected to by the NCAA they could lose games. Needless to say, sometimes those calls can make it tough for games to get into a flow, and some marginal contact that used to be overlooked is often a foul now.

It is frustrating for players, coaches and fans but that's just the way it is right now.

I appreciate your post. We both are aware of the rule change. The problem is, in some games they pinpoint certain players for these kind of things. Yet, other players do just as much or worse, and not called for it. Breunig's fouls against SUU were complete BS calls. At worse, 2 of his 5 fouls were at best questionable fouls.

As for this this rule, I really do hope the NCAA revises the emphasis on it. To me, it takes away far too much from the flow of the game. If they keep as is, they need to emphasize to officials to be more consistent on calling it on everyone. AS GJ pointed out, it was 1 referee in that game. Unfortunately, that 1 referee made his crew look not so good. I hope both coaches graded that 1 referee very poorly. I admit, he also had a few questionable calls against SUU too. To me, it was not the hand checking calls, but the illegal screen calls.

I hope the SUU game is the last game we have questionable officiating.
 
In past years big sky refs called so much ticky tack on the interior I swear the league was affected. Weebs and Griz (the only post season regulars) always were soft vs other leagues when they had let-em-play refs.
 
Buttegrizzle said:
In past years big sky refs called so much ticky tack on the interior I swear the league was affected. Weebs and Griz (the only post season regulars) always were soft vs other leagues when they had let-em-play refs.

I've been saying that for way too many years. It would be a huge help to the league if they let teams play physical more often. I remember Larry K and Wayne T each telling their teams that play would likely be more physical and the players to be ready for it Unfortunately, despite the coaches giving them a fair warning, it did not help.
 
mtgrizrule said:
Buttegrizzle said:
In past years big sky refs called so much ticky tack on the interior I swear the league was affected. Weebs and Griz (the only post season regulars) always were soft vs other leagues when they had let-em-play refs.

I've been saying that for way too many years. It would be a huge help to the league if they let teams play physical more often. I remember Larry K and Wayne T each telling their teams that play would likely be more physical and the players to be ready for it Unfortunately, despite the coaches giving them a fair warning, it did not help.

I agree. When teams get into the dance it is 180* difference compared to the way they have to play in conference. You would think Foolerton would get these guys to clinics put on by the Pac-12 or another conference to get on the same page
 
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