Snowball Fight at Oregon - Seriously?

[kurtismichael]

I had the desire to bean a few of my professors with snowballs when I was at UM but I didn't act on it.

 

[PlayerRep]

I'd bet that if a group of regular kids stopped PlayerRep and did this to him he'd be livid but these are football players and they deserve special treatment.............this lenient attitude is what got our University in trouble with the NCAA.

What lenient attitude got UM in trouble with the ncaa? Be specific.

 

[PlayerRep]

A women whose car was hit says the punishment is too severe, given there was no property damage or injury.

The snow was soft and fluffy. The snowballs were soft.

Some of you are total wimps.

See the youtube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYUm2SZTRGM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[George Ferguson]

Player, gotta say, that woman isn't a member of the University of Oregon football team. Mark Helfrich is already one of the most highly-respected coaches in the country. He doesn't tolerate BS. He has benched Deanthony Thomas, and I know there are coaches in this country that don't have the balls to bench a player as great as Deanthony Thomas. Pharroe Brown agreed with the suspension, and wrote a public apology.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Something else is soft and fluffy.......... :roll:

 

[montana_jack]

I wish Bobby Hauck would come back and coach a snowball fight here. It'd be a smash mouth event, with huge physical snowman up front and no a no frills gunslinger in the backfield. We'd win 10-7.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Yep then he would just sweep the mess under the nearest rug and hire a "PR" firm to spin the crime positive.

Nothing to see here

 

[jodcon]

Yep then he would just sweep the mess under the nearest rug and hire a "PR" firm to spin the crime positive.

Nothing to see here

I see what you did there.

Bobby would have rocks in the middle of his snowballs too.

 

[PlayerRep]

Player, gotta say, that woman isn't a member of the University of Oregon football team. Mark Helfrich is already one of the most highly-respected coaches in the country. He doesn't tolerate BS. He has benched Deanthony Thomas, and I know there are coaches in this country that don't have the balls to bench a player as great as Deanthony Thomas. Pharroe Brown agreed with the suspension, and wrote a public apology.

The woman I mentioned is the woman whose car got caught in the snowball fight. Of course, she's not a member of the football team. She was "victim".

Does anyone know what Thomas did? Thomas may have signed any apology, but that was likely written for him and he was required to do it by the university or the coach.

Note that all I've said is that this snowball fight wasn't the crime of the century that some in the press are making it out to be. Even the retired art history professor who was caught in the situation is saying that he's fine with the university looking at the incident and dealing with any punishments.

"He told the paper: "I have confidence that the reaction of the university given what has happened will be proportional. It will consider these young people and their futures and will also, I hope, suggest to them that they need to rethink behavior like that."

 

[SAVAGE PAW]

If memory serves you're the only person who has called it the crime of the century.

 

[Sportin' Life]

Missing a football game is not the punishment of the century that it is being made out to be.

 

[PlayerRep]

If memory serves you're the only person who has called it the crime of the century.

Then you have a bad memory, or can't read.

 

[PlayerRep]

Missing a football game is not the punishment of the century that it is being made out to be.

Nobody has said missing a football game is a "punishment of the century", but it is a punishment that will last a lifetime, as, obviously, the kid will never get to play in that bowl game with his teammates.

Note that I have made no comment on that punishment or any punishment, because I don't know what the TE did.

However, if you think that throwing soft snowballs and soft fluffy snow, is a major infraction, then you are a hypocrite. Almost every kid in snow country has thrown snowballs at people, cars, buildings, etc. at least a few times.

A bunch of you are probably in the PC and everybody-gets-a-ribbon crowd. It surprises me. I assume that some of you were alittle tougher than this.

 

[Sportin' Life]

Missing a football game is not the punishment of the century that it is being made out to be.

Nobody has said missing a football game is a "punishment of the century", but it is a punishment that will last a lifetime, as, obviously, the kid will never get to play in that bowl game with his teammates.

Note that I have made no comment on that punishment or any punishment, because I don't know what the TE did.

However, if you think that throwing soft snowballs and soft fluffy snow, is a major infraction, then you are a hypocrite. Almost every kid in snow country has thrown snowballs at people, cars, buildings, etc. at least a few times.

A bunch of you are probably in the PC and everybody-gets-a-ribbon crowd. It surprises me. I assume that some of you were alittle tougher than this.

As Savage pointed out, nobody said it was the crime of the century. That was you, and even though you said he can't read, please point out where somebody other than you said it was the crime of the century, since I couldn't find it either. So yeah, I was aware that nobody said it was the punishment of the century, but was just having fun at your expense.

No, most of us are in the 'take responsibility for your actions' crowd. In fact, suggesting that somebody be accountable for their actions is exactly the opposite of being in the 'everyone-gets-a-ribbon' crowd.

 

[grizd]

Missing a football game is not the punishment of the century that it is being made out to be.

Nobody has said missing a football game is a "punishment of the century", but it is a punishment that will last a lifetime, as, obviously, the kid will never get to play in that bowl game with his teammates.

Note that I have made no comment on that punishment or any punishment, because I don't know what the TE did.

However, if you think that throwing soft snowballs and soft fluffy snow, is a major infraction, then you are a hypocrite. Almost every kid in snow country has thrown snowballs at people, cars, buildings, etc. at least a few times.

A bunch of you are probably in the PC and everybody-gets-a-ribbon crowd. It surprises me. I assume that some of you were alittle tougher than this.

As Savage pointed out, nobody said it was the crime of the century. That was you, and even though you said he can't read, please point out where somebody other than you said it was the crime of the century, since I couldn't find it either. So yeah, I was aware that nobody said it was the punishment of the century, but was just having fun at your expense.

No, most of us are in the 'take responsibility for your actions' crowd. In fact, suggesting that somebody be accountable for their actions is exactly the opposite of being in the 'everyone-gets-a-ribbon' crowd.

This. :clap: Successful punishment that changes behavior positively should be painful for the offender. A slap on the wrist only makes them pause next time.

 

[Big G]

Missing a football game is not the punishment of the century that it is being made out to be.

Nobody has said missing a football game is a "punishment of the century", but it is a punishment that will last a lifetime, as, obviously, the kid will never get to play in that bowl game with his teammates.

Note that I have made no comment on that punishment or any punishment, because I don't know what the TE did.

However, if you think that throwing soft snowballs and soft fluffy snow, is a major infraction, then you are a hypocrite. Almost every kid in snow country has thrown snowballs at people, cars, buildings, etc. at least a few times.

A bunch of you are probably in the PC and everybody-gets-a-ribbon crowd. It surprises me. I assume that some of you were alittle tougher than this.

If he really cared about playing in a bowl game with his teammates he would have had the snowball fight in February. Watch the video of the incident it wasn't as innocent as you are trying to make it out to be.

 

[PlayerRep]

Missing a football game is not the punishment of the century that it is being made out to be.

Nobody has said missing a football game is a "punishment of the century", but it is a punishment that will last a lifetime, as, obviously, the kid will never get to play in that bowl game with his teammates.

Note that I have made no comment on that punishment or any punishment, because I don't know what the TE did.

However, if you think that throwing soft snowballs and soft fluffy snow, is a major infraction, then you are a hypocrite. Almost every kid in snow country has thrown snowballs at people, cars, buildings, etc. at least a few times.

A bunch of you are probably in the PC and everybody-gets-a-ribbon crowd. It surprises me. I assume that some of you were alittle tougher than this.

If he really cared about playing in a bowl game with his teammates he would have had the snowball fight in February. Watch the video of the incident it wasn't as innocent as you are trying to make it out to be.

I assume you don't know that this is an annual event involving the football team and the campus. Even the dean, who is not involved at looking at the punishments, noted that it's been a fun event for the campus (or something like that).

I watched the video. I saw nothing that made me think it was a big deal. Soft snow. Soft snowballs. Sure, no reason to dump snow on the former prof as he got out of his car. I still don't know what the TE did. I have made no comment on the validity of his punishment.

Have you ever thrown a snowball at someone you didn't know or at a car?

 

[PlayerRep]

Missing a football game is not the punishment of the century that it is being made out to be.

Nobody has said missing a football game is a "punishment of the century", but it is a punishment that will last a lifetime, as, obviously, the kid will never get to play in that bowl game with his teammates.

Note that I have made no comment on that punishment or any punishment, because I don't know what the TE did.

However, if you think that throwing soft snowballs and soft fluffy snow, is a major infraction, then you are a hypocrite. Almost every kid in snow country has thrown snowballs at people, cars, buildings, etc. at least a few times.

A bunch of you are probably in the PC and everybody-gets-a-ribbon crowd. It surprises me. I assume that some of you were alittle tougher than this.

As Savage pointed out, nobody said it was the crime of the century. That was you, and even though you said he can't read, please point out where somebody other than you said it was the crime of the century, since I couldn't find it either. So yeah, I was aware that nobody said it was the punishment of the century, but was just having fun at your expense.

No, most of us are in the 'take responsibility for your actions' crowd. In fact, suggesting that somebody be accountable for their actions is exactly the opposite of being in the 'everyone-gets-a-ribbon' crowd.

This. :clap: Successful punishment that changes behavior positively should be painful for the offender. A slap on the wrist only makes them pause next time.

Punishment doesn't stop people from committing crimes and doesn't necessarily change behavior. The threat of punishment has its biggest impact on people who are generally rule followers. Most people don't think they will be caught, so that impacts the equation greatly. The US has more laws/rules, and bigger punishments generally, than any country in the world. That hasn't stopped crime. However, it has resulted in the US having the largest amount and percentage of its people in jail.

Also, repeat/recidivism rates are very high in the US. Some studies say 60%. In some categories, it's higher. "Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%), burglars (74.0%), larcenists (74.6%), motor vehicle thieves (78.8%), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%) and those in prison for possessing, using or selling illegal weapons (70.2%)." Wiki.

Are you saying that anyone who throws a snowball at a car or at someone he doesn't know, should be charged with disorderly conduct or assault or whatever?

Do speed limits and fines stop people from speeding? Do drug laws stop people from doing drugs? Do dui's stop people from driving after drinking. Answer: they stop some, but not others.

Penalties should be fit the "crimes".

I studied this subject extensively in law school, and at various times since then. Very interesting subject.

 

[tnt]

Fortunately most people are rule followers which makes punishment effective. But to answser your other question, No I didn't ever throw a snowball at either a stranger or another car as a kid. My dad would have wore my ass out if the one of the neighbors, or school folk didn't first in which case I'd have gotten it a again.

 

[grizd]

Nobody has said missing a football game is a "punishment of the century", but it is a punishment that will last a lifetime, as, obviously, the kid will never get to play in that bowl game with his teammates.

Note that I have made no comment on that punishment or any punishment, because I don't know what the TE did.

However, if you think that throwing soft snowballs and soft fluffy snow, is a major infraction, then you are a hypocrite. Almost every kid in snow country has thrown snowballs at people, cars, buildings, etc. at least a few times.

A bunch of you are probably in the PC and everybody-gets-a-ribbon crowd. It surprises me. I assume that some of you were alittle tougher than this.

As Savage pointed out, nobody said it was the crime of the century. That was you, and even though you said he can't read, please point out where somebody other than you said it was the crime of the century, since I couldn't find it either. So yeah, I was aware that nobody said it was the punishment of the century, but was just having fun at your expense.

No, most of us are in the 'take responsibility for your actions' crowd. In fact, suggesting that somebody be accountable for their actions is exactly the opposite of being in the 'everyone-gets-a-ribbon' crowd.

This. :clap: Successful punishment that changes behavior positively should be painful for the offender. A slap on the wrist only makes them pause next time.

Punishment doesn't stop people from committing crimes and doesn't necessarily change behavior. The threat of punishment has its biggest impact on people who are generally rule followers. Most people don't think they will be caught, so that impacts the equation greatly. The US has more laws/rules, and bigger punishments generally, than any country in the world. That hasn't stopped crime. However, it has resulted in the US having the largest amount and percentage of its people in jail.

Also, repeat/recidivism rates are very high in the US. Some studies say 60%. In some categories, it's higher. "Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%), burglars (74.0%), larcenists (74.6%), motor vehicle thieves (78.8%), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%) and those in prison for possessing, using or selling illegal weapons (70.2%)." Wiki.

Are you saying that anyone who throws a snowball at a car or at someone he doesn't know, should be charged with disorderly conduct or assault or whatever?

Do speed limits and fines stop people from speeding? Do drug laws stop people from doing drugs? Do dui's stop people from driving after drinking. Answer: they stop some, but not others.

Penalties should be fit the "crimes".

I studied this subject extensively in law school, and at various times since then. Very interesting subject.

You're right with a lot of this. But if this punishment stops 40% of college athletes from being stupid and attacking a defenseless 60+ year old man, at Oregon or other schools, then the punishment is good. As "harmless" as a snowball can be it can lead to more serious and real crimes. I see this as stopping a kid that's probably "good" before he does something really stupid.