Smithwick-Hahn or McKinney

[Grizmayor]

SSH didnt get the job done either the last 4 possessions.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=322940155&period=4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He had help.

 

[grizophile]

Depends on the offense moving forward.

SSH threw for big yards but given time to prepare for him I'd wonder if defenses would attack him with blitzes as he's got a slow release and not a very fast/hard through. However if it's going to be more spread out/pass-heavy with 4 wide then yeah Shay is our guy.

Trent has shown that he can run and manage the spread/run offense well. If that's the plan then plug him back in, as Shay isn't quick/shifty enough to be an effective QB keeping the ball and running it.

I will say, however, that I think another option of a more balanced passer and runner is Brzczeck - I'm not sure why he's still not even an option. I can only guess a lack of knowledge of the system...

Oh just stop with the 'spread option' garbage, we don't have the personnel or coaching staff to run it like Oregon, we look like just another hack copy job of the real thing along with all the other hack jobs. Put a real QB or as close as we got to one on the field, send the receivers out and throw them the damn ball. When the D stops stacking the box run some draws. McKinney might come along, might not, he's a good athelete and should be able to play corner or receiver. So should Kemp for that matter.

AB is the guy to run the spread and he would be better than JJ if he gets the chance.

Without seeing this guy I beg to differ. JJ bigger, stronger now and think he might be proficiant on the deep ball......his only liability IMHO.

 

[Cats2506]

I will say, however, that I think another option of a more balanced passer and runner is Brzczeck - I'm not sure why he's still not even an option. I can only guess a lack of knowledge of the system...

Hard to believe that a kid with grades to get into Stanford and make the team couldn't pick up this playbook.



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EXACTLY! :clap: :clap: :thumb:

grizfnz, you appear to be a lot smarter on message boards that you are in person!!

He can't be THAT smart, I mean he did transfer into this dumpster fire :roll:

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Depends on the offense moving forward.

SSH threw for big yards but given time to prepare for him I'd wonder if defenses would attack him with blitzes as he's got a slow release and not a very fast/hard through. However if it's going to be more spread out/pass-heavy with 4 wide then yeah Shay is our guy.

Trent has shown that he can run and manage the spread/run offense well. If that's the plan then plug him back in, as Shay isn't quick/shifty enough to be an effective QB keeping the ball and running it.

I will say, however, that I think another option of a more balanced passer and runner is Brzczeck - I'm not sure why he's still not even an option. I can only guess a lack of knowledge of the system...

Oh just stop with the 'spread option' garbage, we don't have the personnel or coaching staff to run it like Oregon, we look like just another hack copy job of the real thing along with all the other hack jobs. Put a real QB or as close as we got to one on the field, send the receivers out and throw them the damn ball. When the D stops stacking the box run some draws. McKinney might come along, might not, he's a good athelete and should be able to play corner or receiver. So should Kemp for that matter.

AB is the guy to run the spread and he would be better than JJ if he gets the chance.

Without seeing this guy I beg to differ. JJ bigger, stronger now and think he might be proficiant on the deep ball......his only liability IMHO.

Well you are wrong.

I have seen both play and JJ is a stud you saw what he did last year and AB would be better if given the chance. Way stronger arm than anyone we have had since Ochs and he is more accurate.

Maybe someday you will see if he gets a chance.

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[HighLineGRIZ]

It doesn't matter how book smart you are, it is very difficult to get a handle on a playbook and the offense in a matter of a couple of months. People figure that a transfer can just come in and get by on sheer talent. AB might be the most talented QB on the roster and he may win the job next year if he's good enough to beat the Gustafson kid. In the meantime, I'd hope that SSH will bet the opprotunity to start and try to win a game. TM just doesn't have the mechanics and doesn't progress through his reads like SSH has shown the ability to do. I like TM's ability to run and create and he doesn't make many mistakes, but he doesn't have the ability to make the throws needed to orchestrate a passing attack that allows us to get out of the stigma of being a one-dimentional offense.

 

[AZFAN0929]

I'm going to have to Youtube the video on Mr. Counts. It seems this board has annointed the young man the next Lex when 99.9% of us have never even seem him touch a football. I'll go with giving Kirschner a full game under his belt before I put JC ahead of him. I think he at least deserves that much. I was IMPRESSED with Kirschner's short stint at Northern Colorado with quickness, moves AND power.

Hope this helps. I'd give Counts a legitemate opportunity, and a full game under his belt then decide. This late in the season and pulling Counts' redshirt (for why/what???), heck let them both have at it at RB and blocking for eachother - they may very well make a great combination and fire the team up a bit! (that would mean Nguyen and Canada would get less reps - maybe this would push their games up athletically as well). BTW, interesting to note from Counts' videos, he can perform on special teams and defense too..possible safety for the Griz? Overall, believe this team has talent and very possible in light of events before the season and the crisis mode the program seems to be in, that the players' abilities and positional talents have not been fully reccognized and/or utilized for the best of the team's performance as a whole. Still have faith in the Griz!
found these...
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/121601/joey-counts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://youtu.be/UzR6MZCDdG0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9yCf5F_dUY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Already watched the Youtube several hours ago. Looks like a bowling ball with decent speed and a good nose for the seams. However, we already have two of them on the team. I'm glad to see he's a Griz... but I was perplexed to read that NAU wouldn't even give him a sniff, and South Dakota St. was the only other offer. Evidently he didn't impress that many people his senior year. What's irritating to me, is having a stud wear a red-shirt for over half the season, then burning it for NOTHING, tells me the intellectual power of those running a program.

NAU's a Pinnochio. Rumors had it he impressed plenty and spoke with several schools and is particular about options and programs. The world of recruiting... Counts set a 5A1 state record for rushing yards in a game - and only played half the game. He was selected for AZ's Super 25 Team jr and sr year - an accomplishment by only a couple AZ players. If memory is correct his stats his senior year were for his season which he missed the first 4 games due to injury. Yep, share your glad he is a Griz. The other two bowling balls? Moore. and Kirschner? Give 'em reps coach. Counts too as to at least not completely waste him this year. Griz can always use two beasts the next couple years!

 

[cclarkblues]

Oh just stop with the 'spread option' garbage, we don't have the personnel or coaching staff to run it like Oregon, we look like just another hack copy job of the real thing along with all the other hack jobs. Put a real QB or as close as we got to one on the field, send the receivers out and throw them the damn ball. When the D stops stacking the box run some draws. McKinney might come along, might not, he's a good athelete and should be able to play corner or receiver. So should Kemp for that matter.

AB is the guy to run the spread and he would be better than JJ if he gets the chance.

Without seeing this guy I beg to differ. JJ bigger, stronger now and think he might be proficiant on the deep ball......his only liability IMHO.

Well you are wrong.

I have seen both play and JJ is a stud you saw what he did last year and AB would be better if given the chance. Way stronger arm than anyone we have had since Ochs and he is more accurate.

Maybe someday you will see if he gets a chance.

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So, in your opinion why doesn't he get some reps? He has been around long enough to get a handle on the playbook. Has he gotten reps in practice or is he on the wrong side of the coaches? Seems like he has paid the penance of his errors in the 3 plays that he had earlier in the year. Any insight you have? I would think you play the players that give you the best chance to win.

 

[krammer]

i say throw all the qbs in a sack next spring and the best man wins,,,i know you cannot go by high school stuff, but gustufson rewrote all the passing records at west, he is acurate , stronger arm than ssh, also on all the honor roles etc...he might win the job out right....it would mean changing the offense, which most people on this board would not like....at this point i think we keep all the options on the table....imo

 

[Grizmayor]

i say throw all the qbs in a sack next spring and the best man wins,,,i know you cannot go by high school stuff, but gustufson rewrote all the passing records at west, he is acurate , stronger arm than ssh, also on all the honor roles etc...he might win the job out right....it would mean changing the offense, which most people on this board would not like....at this point i think we keep all the options on the table....imo

Don't count me in... Air Bear or Bobby Ball. Enough finesse and gimickry with "kind'a-sort'a" quarterback-runningbacks.

 

[maroonandsilver]

That is the conundrum we find ourselves in. The QB that can run the offense that supposedly the Team is built for, can't throw downfield better than the average grandma. The QB that can make those throws, can't run the offense. This was apparent in the last 2 minutes of the ND game. SSH is left in, but Rosie calls plays best run by McKinney. Result? we control the ball for about 45 seconds and give the ball back to ND, and anyone can score against our D with a minute to go, no matter where they take possession.