Skyline Sports Article on Semore and the Defense

[HelenaHandBasket]

So Poly's 3-5 record last season is based only on the opponents defense? As Sask has noted, if a team can keep the Poly offense off the field and play from ahead, it is a big help to any defense. .

So, that might even be "figuring out the Triple Option," right? :roll:

I once again ask a football question and you turn to smack.

Here we go again. I'll bet Chris is just baffled at the motive, to see that HH, having derailed one thread on the topic, returns to derail another.

No, it's a "strategy." It deals with the Triple Option. Apparently some teams figured it out that way, others relied purely on defense. But, they "figured it out." A '3-5" record is proof.

Holy shit on a cracker.

 

[UMGriz75]

But my point was, even though the Griz lost to Poly, the Griz defense did quite well against them.

This is a point I have made several times. What's your point?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

But my point was, even though the Griz lost to Poly, the Griz defense did quite well against them.

This is a point I have made several times. What's your point?

I would tell you, but I choose not to get "band" today. But I am still not sure what your point even was at the start.

 

[UMGriz75]

So I believe that your hypothesis, that since Poly was 3-5, just about everybody else had a much better answer or the "definitive one" for the Poly triple option is flawed.

I didn't say "definitive" someone else did. I demurred and suggested there likely was not a "definitive" answer but that each team that beat them had "an" answer. Why does that misrepresentation seem so familiar?

But, OK, five BSC teams beating Cal Poly means, to HH, that they did not have an "answer" to Cal Poly's offense.

But they won. And so that means they had "no answer."

Nothing more really needs to be said about that analysis.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

So I believe that your hypothesis, that since Poly was 3-5, just about everybody else had a much better answer or the "definitive one" for the Poly triple option is flawed.

I didn't say "definitive" someone else did. I demurred and suggested there likely was not a "definitive" answer but that each team that beat them had "an" answer. Why does that misrepresentation seem so familiar?

But, OK, five BSC teams beating Cal Poly means, to HH, that they did not have an "answer" to Cal Poly's offense.

But they won. And so that means they had "no answer."

Nothing more really needs to be said about that analysis.

With a 3-5 record for Cal Poly last year in the Big Sky, I'd say just about everybody except us had at least "an" answer if not the "definitive" one. The "Triple Option" as played last year was one of the worst offensive schemes in the conference -- if results matter. If MSU's defense could hold it in check last year, is there any question that our's should do a good job this year?

75, Pretty sure that is your comment, and the bolded part does include the words "I'd say" in the same sentence as "definitive one". Even if you want to attribute the word "definitive" to someone else, you re-enforced the notion.

 

[UMGriz75]

I seriously hope he can come up with an answer to the triple option. I think a win here will be more largely decided on our offense.

Not sure if there is a definitive answer for the triple option.

With a 3-5 record for Cal Poly last year in the Big Sky, I'd say just about everybody except us had at least "an" answer if not the "definitive" one. The "Triple Option" as played last year was one of the worst offensive schemes in the conference -- if results matter. If MSU's defense could hold it in check last year, is there any question that our's should do a good job this year?

75, Pretty sure that is your comment, and the bolded part does include the words "I'd say" in the same sentence as "definitive one". Even if you want to attribute the word "definitive" to someone else, you re-enforced the notion.

Your interpretation is the opposite of a reasonable one. Does this BS have to occupy yet another thread?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

With a 3-5 record for Cal Poly last year in the Big Sky, I'd say just about everybody except us had at least "an" answer if not the "definitive" one. The "Triple Option" as played last year was one of the worst offensive schemes in the conference -- if results matter. If MSU's defense could hold it in check last year, is there any question that our's should do a good job this year?

75, Pretty sure that is your comment, and the bolded part does include the words "I'd say" in the same sentence as "definitive one". Even if you want to attribute the word "definitive" to someone else, you re-enforced the notion.

Your interpretation is the opposite of a reasonable one. Does this BS have to occupy yet another thread?

No, I am done. It is obvious that you will continue to talk in circles and never admit that someone else may have a reasonable point of view, let alone possibly admit you may be wrong.

 

[Mavman]

The Griz defense played as good or better then anyone last year against Poly last year. The fact remains the Offense did not score enough in second half to put them away. Some posters will blame Stitt others Brady and a few will say the Griz would have won if Simis would have played! Time to move on to this year. The Griz defense and Semore seem geared to do contain the option :thumb: What will the offense do??? :shock:

 

[Geddes]

Poly averaged 38+ points and 515 yards in conference play last year. Twasn't the offense that was the issue..

And yes I agree, win/loss is the ultimate indicator; however, trying to lay that at the feet of Poly's offense does not seem fair.

 

[UMGriz75]

Poly averaged 38+ points and 515 yards in conference play last year. Twasn't the offense that was the issue..

And yes I agree, win/loss is the ultimate indicator; however, trying to lay that at the feet of Poly's offense does not seem fair.

How do you counter a good offense?

1) Counter their offense with a defense.
2) Score more points with your offense.

Both are "strategies" to counter a consistent, good offense. Either or both are "an" answer.

In Conference play, Cal Poly got big scores at Idaho State (58) and UC Davis (55).

Cal Poly's offense did less well at Montana (20), Montana State (28), Southern Utah (37), Sac State (36), PSU (35) and North Dakota (21).

 

[Geddes]

75, if we are in agreement that Cal Poly has had a consistently good offense, then we are all good in the hood.. I guess that was my main point. I don't know this for a fact, but I feel confident Poly's offense gives most D coordinators a major fu*kin' headache..

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

I love it...instead of trying to cram a square peg into a round hole....Semore builds the hole around the peg

what a concept

#GregorakWho???
#OwnTheDefense
#FTRak

 

[PlayerRep]

Selected conference defensive stats so far. Obviously, very early.

SCORING DEFENSE

1. Montana State 3 5 3 5 0 0 0 44 14.7
2. Montana 2 6 1 6 0 0 0 45 22.5
3. Southern Utah 2 6 2 5 0 0 0 47 23.5
4. Cal Poly 3 10 3 8 0 0 0 77 25.7
5. NAU 3 9 6 7 1 0 0 81 27.0

TOTAL DEFENSE

1. Montana 2 226 378 140 604 4.3 5 302.0
2. Cal Poly 3 370 581 168 951 5.7 10 317.0
3. Montana State 3 388 607 198 995 5.0 5 331.7
4. North Dakota 3 338 701 222 1039 4.7 10 346.3
5. NAU 3 502 728 211 1230 5.8 9 410.0

PASS DEFENSE EFFIC.

1. Montana State 3 54 102 7 52.9 607 2 95.7
2. Weber State 3 50 94 1 53.2 406 5 104.9
3. Montana 2 29 63 1 46.0 378 3 109.0
4. Idaho State 3 58 105 3 55.2 762 4 123.1
5. North Dakota 3 56 102 5 54.9 701 7 125.5

INTERCEPTIONS

1. Montana State 3 7 31 0 4.4
2. North Dakota 3 5 127 3 25.4
3. UC Davis 3 4 17 0 4.2
4. Idaho State 3 3 56 0 18.7
5. NAU 3 2 18 0 9.0

OPP 3RD-DN CONVERT

1. Montana 2 8 32 25.0
Montana State 3 10 40 25.0
3. Sacramento State 3 14 43 32.6
4. North Dakota 3 16 48 33.3
5. Idaho State 3 19 52 36.5

TURNOVER MARGIN

1. Montana State 3 5 7 12 0 1 1 +11 3.67
2. UC Davis 3 4 4 8 1 2 3 +5 1.67
3. NAU 3 3 2 5 1 0 1 +4 1.33
4. North Dakota 3 2 5 7 3 1 4 +3 1.00
5. Southern Utah 2 1 2 3 1 1 2 +1 0.50

RED ZONE DEFENSE

1. Montana State 3 3-6 50.0 2 2-0 1-1 0 2 1 0
2. Montana 2 4-7 57.1 3 2-1 1-2 0 0 2 0
3. North Dakota 3 7-9 77.8 5 3-2 2-4 0 0 0 0
Southern Utah 2 7-9 77.8 5 2-3 2-3 0 0 0 1
5. Idaho State 3 11-14 78.6 9 6-3 2-3 0 0 2 0

 

[grizcountry420]

The boner he gets over this guy is strong...

 

[Mavman]

Stats don't matter to me at this point. If you don't get excited watching this defense fly to the ball making big hits then you are crazy. The way they stuffed a very good UNI rushing attack and continued to hit their QB was awesome. Don't forget the way the DB's played, great position able to knowkdown passes!
Lot's of egriz posters voiced concern about Stitt not being able to put a good defense on the field when he got here, well he has an awesome DC and has filled holes in the defense and may have the best D in the big sky.

 

[gotgame75]

Lol at the Gregorak-led Cats "leading" several defensive categories after 2 games. Amusing. Hope Cat fans are jacked about their defensive domination so far.

 

[PlayerRep]

Stats don't matter to me at this point. If you don't get excited watching this defense fly to the ball making big hits then you are crazy. The way they stuffed a very good UNI rushing attack and continued to hit their QB was awesome. Don't forget the way the DB's played, great position able to knowkdown passes!
Lot's of egriz posters voiced concern about Stitt not being able to put a good defense on the field when he got here, well he has an awesome DC and has filled holes in the defense and may have the best D in the big sky.

Stats may not matter to you, but if you are going to properly analyze and assess a defense, stats are one of multiple things that must be looked at. Do you not careful about sacks, interceptions, takeaways, missed tackles, red zone defense, 3d down conversion defense, etc?

Yes, the defense has looked good so far. Hopefully, the nice trend continues. But just like stats for 2 or 3 games does provide a complete picture, neither does the look and result of 2 or 3 games.

I have only seen and heard good things about Semore so far. I've gotten to know him since the spring, and like him. It's interesting to hear him talk about the defense, and say how offenses should or could be attacked.

Contrary to what you said, I don't recall anyone wondering if Stitt could put together a good defense. Maybe I missed that. UM has generally had good defenses. The defense last year was good, except for a few games. The defense under TG was right at or near the top of the conference over his several year period as DC.

Hopefully, Semore has the answer for the CP offense. I suppose point could be based on what UM's D did last year against CP. Maybe Semore has a different and better plan.

 

[PlayerRep]

The boner he gets over this guy is strong...

Are you talking about Badland's boner against TG? You provide absolutely nothing of benefit on this board. When I become a moderator, you will be heading south in a hurry. Ha.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I seriously hope he can come up with an answer to the triple option. I think a win here will be more largely decided on our offense.

Not sure if there is a definitive answer for the triple option.

With a 3-5 record for Cal Poly last year in the Big Sky, I'd say just about everybody except us had at least "an" answer if not the "definitive" one. The "Triple Option" as played last year was one of the worst offensive schemes in the conference -- if results matter. If MSU's defense could hold it in check last year, is there any question that our's should do a good job this year?

Whoops. There you go again. In Cal Poly's 5 league losses last year, they scored 28, 41, 35, 37 and 21 points. ALL more points than scored against the Griz. In other words, as I've tried to get certain posters around here to understand, the loss last year was NOT a defensive loss....our defense did just fine "holding it in check last year"....more so than just about anybody else on Cal Poly's schedule. Hell, CP scored more points against Arizona State University than they did against the Griz.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I seriously hope he can come up with an answer to the triple option. I think a win here will be more largely decided on our offense.

Not sure if there is a definitive answer for the triple option.

With a 3-5 record for Cal Poly last year in the Big Sky, I'd say just about everybody except us had at least "an" answer if not the "definitive" one. The "Triple Option" as played last year was one of the worst offensive schemes in the conference -- if results matter. If MSU's defense could hold it in check last year, is there any question that our's should do a good job this year?

Whoops. There you go again. In Cal Poly's 5 league losses last year, they scored 28, 41, 35, 37 and 21 points. ALL more points than scored against the Griz. In other words, as I've tried to get certain posters around here to understand, the loss last year was NOT a defensive loss....our defense did just fine "holding it in check last year"....more so than just about anybody else on Cal Poly's schedule. Hell, CP scored more points against Arizona State University than they did against the Griz.

LOL