Sideline Lackeys Pod: Training camp part 1

[rob.peterson]

I'm not at all talking out of both sides of my mouth. I didnt say you specifically. I quit listening to this most recent podcast A. Because I ran out of time and it wasn't important to me and B. You were discussing ah yat and made a comment about how he was a returning player "if you can even call it that" (or something to that effect). What else would you call it? He basically started every game he was healthy, or was healthy enough to get practice reps that were prior. So my listening of your pod may be admittedly short lived.

But there are many on this board that talk about players that way.

Just visited your X page and now you make much more sense. Should have done that first and I wouldn’t have wasted my time haha

 

[nicktaber58]

Don’t argue with an uninformed idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

Man. Idiot in the room that can't join qb club may be you. Or is that an excuse?

 

[nicktaber58]

Just visited your X page and now you make much more sense. Should have done that first and I wouldn’t have wasted my time haha

Lacking of emotional intelligence doesn't look good on you.

 

[rob.peterson]

Lacking of emotional intelligence doesn't look good on you.

My wife says my jeans look good on me

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

My wife says my jeans look good on me

Sure, but when I say it it is weird.

Just listened to the podcast. After reading the comments here I was expecting it to be a lot more negative. Good pod by you guys, and I agree with most of your analysis.

 

[nicktaber58]

My wife says my jeans look good on me

Be careful talking about jeans / genes!!

 

[brewskis]

How did they poorly manage the QBs? Should they have force Ah Yat to go out and play hurt? People acted like they couldn't decide on a QB, and during the season the staff couldn't really come out and give away injury news for the starting QB. Since the season ended, everybody has been open about the fact that Ah Yat was the guy but injuries made it impossible for him to play as consistently as anyone wanted.

Bergen had more than 16 touches in 2022, lol. He practically had that many rushing attempts.

I think you are retroactively remembering Bergen but not the rest of that offense. Until LJ got hurt and couldn't play like he needed to, the offense was rolling. We had Mitch Roberts, Malik Flowers, and Grossman as senior leaders and the trio of Fontes, White, and Bergen behind them. The offense managed 47 points per game. We lost in the playoffs to finalist team NDSU, and giving Bergen more touches wasn't going to win that game or beat the Cats. Roberts was the steady hand, Malik was the burner, and Grossman might have been the best receiving tight end in the country. At the time, everyone was also pretty enamored with our RB room. We had Ostmo, Knight, Harris, and Childs. They didn't need to build the offense around Bergen or cut into other people's role just to try to get him touches. At that point, Malik Flowers was the explosive guy we were trying to get touches, and rightfully so.

I was going off of memory so yes I was certain I wasn't correct, but just checking now.

2021 was his breakout true frosh year. Everyone remembers him outrunning Troy Anderson in the beginning of the rivalry game. 21 receptions catches and 118 rushing attempts that season

2022, 14 rushing attempts and 17 receptions.

So yes, better than 16 but still horrible.

 

[rob.peterson]

Sure, but when I say it it is weird.

Just listened to the podcast. After reading the comments here I was expecting it to be a lot more negative. Good pod by you guys, and I agree with most of your analysis.

Wait, you mean an egrizzer grossly misrepresented what was said and spoke on it like it’s gospel? *gasp*

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

I was going off of memory so yes I was certain I wasn't correct, but just checking now.

2021 was his breakout true frosh year. Everyone remembers him outrunning Troy Anderson in the beginning of the rivalry game. 21 receptions catches and 118 rushing attempts that season

2022, 14 rushing attempts and 17 receptions.

So yes, better than 16 but still horrible.

Junior got those touches in 2021 because, due to terrible injuries in the RB room, he became our starting running back. He was not a lead receiver on that team by any means.

No offense, but I think you are ignoring the rest of his context. Malik was, at that point, one of our most electric players ever. Junior was behind him in that role. They were absolutely not going to be benching Roberts or taking touches away from Grossman. They averaged 45 points per game in 22. In 2021, only 29 points per game. The offense was significantly improved, and the goal was not to feed Junior the ball but to get the best offense on the field. In terms of average yards per catch in 2022, Junior was averaging 12.4 yards per reception. Grossman was 14.3, and Flowers was 14.4. Roberts was at 11.8, but he was catching a lot of "get the first down and move the chains" type of passes. Bergen was not outplaying the guys ahead of him on the depth chart.

I'm not criticizing Junior, who is amazing, but those other guys were having a great year and the offense was rolling until LJ got hurt. It was not at all mismanagement that they didn't change the offense to force feed Junior.

At that point, as I said, it was Malik Flowers that everyone was excited to see get schemed into touches and opportunities for explosion. When you consider the rest of the context, it completely makes sense that Junior was used the way he was as a sophomore and then stepped into a much bigger role as a junior (no pun intended).

 

[brewskis]

Junior got those touches in 2021 because, due to terrible injuries in the RB room, he became our starting running back. He was not a lead receiver on that team by any means.

No offense, but I think you are ignoring the rest of his context. Malik was, at that point, one of our most electric players ever. Junior was behind him in that role. They were absolutely not going to be benching Roberts or taking touches away from Grossman. They averaged 45 points per game in 22. In 2021, only 29 points per game. The offense was significantly improved, and the goal was not to feed Junior the ball but to get the best offense on the field. In terms of average yards per catch in 2022, Junior was averaging 12.4 yards per reception. Grossman was 14.3, and Flowers was 14.4. Roberts was at 11.8, but he was catching a lot of "get the first down and move the chains" type of passes. Bergen was not outplaying the guys ahead of him on the depth chart.

I'm not criticizing Junior, who is amazing, but those other guys were having a great year and the offense was rolling until LJ got hurt. It was not at all mismanagement that they didn't change the offense to force feed Junior.

At that point, as I said, it was Malik Flowers that everyone was excited to see get schemed into touches and opportunities for explosion. When you consider the rest of the context, it completely makes sense that Junior was used the way he was as a sophomore and then stepped into a much bigger role as a junior (no pun intended).

I understand your point, I completely disagree.....but that's fine.

2022 was a disappointing season. We played transfer QB roulette again, sustained injuries and had zero depth.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

I understand your point, I completely disagree.....but that's fine.

2022 was a disappointing season. We played transfer QB roulette again, sustained injuries and had zero depth.

It was a disappointing season due to injuries, yes, I agree. I think bringing in LJ was the right move, but the depth behind him was a problem, yes. And that situation likely contributed to us bringing in more depth at QB the next year through both recruiting and the portal.

I just don't think any of those things would have been helped by force feeding Junior touches when the guys ahead of him were outperforming him at the time (which is understandable during his sophomore year).

Disagreeing is totally cool, and thanks for the talk. Go Griz.

 

[billingsgriz]

It was a disappointing season due to injuries, yes, I agree. I think bringing in LJ was the right move, but the depth behind him was a problem, yes. And that situation likely contributed to us bringing in more depth at QB the next year through both recruiting and the portal.

I just don't think any of those things would have been helped by force feeding Junior touches when the guys ahead of him were outperforming him at the time (which is understandable during his sophomore year).

Disagreeing is totally cool, and thanks for the talk. Go Griz.

Virtual group hug ?

 

[billingsgriz]

Junior got those touches in 2021 because, due to terrible injuries in the RB room, he became our starting running back. He was not a lead receiver on that team by any means.

No offense, but I think you are ignoring the rest of his context. Malik was, at that point, one of our most electric players ever. Junior was behind him in that role. They were absolutely not going to be benching Roberts or taking touches away from Grossman. They averaged 45 points per game in 22. In 2021, only 29 points per game. The offense was significantly improved, and the goal was not to feed Junior the ball but to get the best offense on the field. In terms of average yards per catch in 2022, Junior was averaging 12.4 yards per reception. Grossman was 14.3, and Flowers was 14.4. Roberts was at 11.8, but he was catching a lot of "get the first down and move the chains" type of passes. Bergen was not outplaying the guys ahead of him on the depth chart.

I'm not criticizing Junior, who is amazing, but those other guys were having a great year and the offense was rolling until LJ got hurt. It was not at all mismanagement that they didn't change the offense to force feed Junior.

At that point, as I said, it was Malik Flowers that everyone was excited to see get schemed into touches and opportunities for explosion. When you consider the rest of the context, it completely makes sense that Junior was used the way he was as a sophomore and then stepped into a much bigger role as a junior (no pun intended).

Junior was a crucial part of the arguably the biggest GRIZ win in our storied history when he was playing out of position as our starting RB as a true freshman in 2021 and for the first time in 101 years since 1920 ( Just after WW I [that saw GRIZ FB great, UM attorney, and Missoula Deputy County Attorney and recipient of 2 silver stars for valor and the purple heart Marine Corporal Paul Logan Dornblaser KIA in 1918] ended with a disabled Woodrow Wilson --suffered a debilitating stroke-- our President and the world just starting to recover from the last pandemic, Spanish Flu, 1918-20, and over 8 years after the Titanic sank in April,1912 .) that the Montana Grizzlies defeated the then-ranked # 20 Washington Huskies. Junior didn’t have great stats--no GRIZ did--in a very close game but he played his guts out and had to be accounted for by the Huskies and was a crucial member of the GRIZ team that pulled off that historic upset !!!

And perhaps the best single play of the 2021 season was just three months later when a streaking Junior flew behind two Shi__y Kitty defenders Troy Anderson and Ty Okada, future NFL players themselves , leaving them to run in vain after him, thinking to themselves " WTF, Where did he come from ?" as we served notice to the Shi__y Kitties that their mini-streak in The Brawl was ending that day with a GRIZ beat down !!!

And, of course, who could forget the Tennessee State game in late Nov. of last year and Junior's special teams heroics that stunned TSU HC Eddie George and former GRIZ and TSU DC Brandon Fisher, which I believe cemented-- when combined with Colt Anderson's testimony--the 49'ers decision to draft Junior.

While I am biased being from Billings, I think any objective assessment of Junior's career would have to classify his GRIZ tenure as " historic !!! "

Now. if you want to scare yourself to sleep tonight, imagine what would have happened from 2021-25 if Junior had not flipped from the Shi__y Kitties to us and remained a SK in Boz Angeles, catching passes from TM and returning kicks and punts for the SK's. : ( !!!

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Junior was a crucial part of the arguably the biggest GRIZ win in our storied history when he was playing out of position as our starting RB as a true freshman in 2021 and for the first time in 101 years since 1920 ( Just after WW I [that saw GRIZ FB great, UM attorney, and Missoula Deputy County Attorney and recipient of 2 silver stars for valor and the purple heart Marine Corporal Paul Logan Dornblaser KIA in 1918] ended with a disabled Woodrow Wilson --suffered a debilitating stroke-- our President and the world just starting to recover from the last pandemic, Spanish Flu, 1918-20, and over 8 years after the Titanic sank in April,1912 .) that the Montana Grizzlies defeated the then-ranked # 20 Washington Huskies. Junior didn’t have great stats--no GRIZ did--in a very close game but he played his guts out and had to be accounted for by the Huskies and was a crucial member of the GRIZ team that pulled off that historic upset !!!

And perhaps the best single play of the 2021 season was just three months later when a streaking Junior flew behind two Shi__y Kitty defenders Troy Anderson and Ty Okada, future NFL players themselves , leaving them to run in vain after him, thinking to themselves " WTF, Where did he come from ?" as we served notice to the Shi__y Kitties that their mini-streak in The Brawl was ending that day with a GRIZ beat down !!!

And, of course, who could forget the Tennessee State game in late Nov. of last year and Junior's special teams heroics that stunned TSU HC Eddie George and former GRIZ and TSU DC Brandon Fisher, which I believe cemented-- when combined with Colt Anderson's testimony--the 49'ers decision to draft Junior.

While I am biased being from Billings, I think any objective assessment of Junior's career would have to classify his GRIZ tenure as " historic !!! "

Now. if you want to scare yourself to sleep tonight, imagine what would have happened from 2021-25 if Junior had not flipped from the Shi__y Kitties to us and remained a SK in Boz Angeles, catching passes from TM and returning kicks and punts for the SK's. : ( !!!

Thanks for that.... that would have been horrific.

 

[Art Spooner]

Junior was a crucial part of the arguably the biggest GRIZ win in our storied history when he was playing out of position as our starting RB as a true freshman in 2021 and for the first time in 101 years since 1920 ( Just after WW I [that saw GRIZ FB great, UM attorney, and Missoula Deputy County Attorney and recipient of 2 silver stars for valor and the purple heart Marine Corporal Paul Logan Dornblaser KIA in 1918] ended with a disabled Woodrow Wilson --suffered a debilitating stroke-- our President and the world just starting to recover from the last pandemic, Spanish Flu, 1918-20, and over 8 years after the Titanic sank in April,1912 .) that the Montana Grizzlies defeated the then-ranked # 20 Washington Huskies. Junior didn’t have great stats--no GRIZ did--in a very close game but he played his guts out and had to be accounted for by the Huskies and was a crucial member of the GRIZ team that pulled off that historic upset !!!

And perhaps the best single play of the 2021 season was just three months later when a streaking Junior flew behind two Shi__y Kitty defenders Troy Anderson and Ty Okada, future NFL players themselves , leaving them to run in vain after him, thinking to themselves " WTF, Where did he come from ?" as we served notice to the Shi__y Kitties that their mini-streak in The Brawl was ending that day with a GRIZ beat down !!!

And, of course, who could forget the Tennessee State game in late Nov. of last year and Junior's special teams heroics that stunned TSU HC Eddie George and former GRIZ and TSU DC Brandon Fisher, which I believe cemented-- when combined with Colt Anderson's testimony--the 49'ers decision to draft Junior.

While I am biased being from Billings, I think any objective assessment of Junior's career would have to classify his GRIZ tenure as " historic !!! "

Now. if you want to scare yourself to sleep tonight, imagine what would have happened from 2021-25 if Junior had not flipped from the Shi__y Kitties to us and remained a SK in Boz Angeles, catching passes from TM and returning kicks and punts for the SK's. : ( !!!

Besides the epic touchdown against the rival in 2021, it was our first glimpse of Junior the punt returner. He lived in positive territory that game returning punts and I’m sure shocked an unprepared MSU special teams unit. I remember asking myself why Bobby waited so long to unleash the beast. Who knows if he could have added to his TD total if he had been handed the reins earlier.

 

[billingsgriz]

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Thanks for that.... that would have been horrific.

Now if you want to have the Mother of all Nightmares, If, IF Junior had stayed a Shi__y Kitty , they probably win last Jan. in Frisco !!!

 

[nicktaber58]

I admit, I tend to be a little more critical than most, especially when it comes to the quarterback position. Just listen to Pease talk to each QB. Also, I only judge the quarterbacks during team and skelly periods, not when they are in individual drills. May account for a difference in opinion

Have they reached out to have you coach qbs yet? They usually hire from within. Sounds like you had an illustrious career as the film guy!

 

[Griz Addict]

Just visited your X page and now you make much more sense. Should have done that first and I wouldn’t have wasted my time haha

Yeah.... clearly a clown.

 

[Griz Addict]

Lacking of emotional intelligence doesn't look good on you.

Calling someone out for having a lack of emotional intelligence yet, want homeless people arrested? The most un-American shit I've ever heard.

 

[nicktaber58]

Calling someone out for having a lack of emotional intelligence yet, want homeless people arrested? The most un-American shit I've ever heard.

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