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Should we forfeit the Sac St game?

Paytonlives said:
Re/MaxGriz said:
Crap, I meant to say Spam had a good post, it's good sportsmanship, it sends a good message to those "growing up" with the game. Don't little leaugers all have to say the "Regardless if we win or lose we'll still have fun" pledge still?

I don't think we should, I'm not saying we should. But spam makes a good point.
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I trust in God
I love my country
And will respect its laws
I will play fair
And strive to Win
But Win or Loose
I will always do my best

10 years of coaching its stuck in my head!!!!
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Right on the money Payton! :thumb:
 
yes, a fantastic plan, forfeiting the game over an official's mistake. I sat through every Grizzly home game for 4 years, and this is the first time I've heard of a mistake like that, but that still doesn't excuse it's occurance. It clearly shows blatant disregard for the integrity of Montana athletics, the Big Sky Conference, college basketball, the NCAA, America's foreign policy, and human nature as a whole. I can see violence against bears escalating because of this, with rabid sportsmanship fanatics blowing up hibernation dens out of sheer rage. Personally, I think we should petition the Big Sky to see to it that the forfeit takes place. You know what, I'm going to draw up the documents right now. I trust you'll all sign? While I'm at it, I think that it's time to introduce instant replay for any call that is considered disputable. It'll be just like in the NFL. Give Krysco a red flag, and every travel, foul, carrying the ball (Roy Booker would love that one) would be reviewable.
OK, sarcasm aside (and just to be clear, I think that the mere thought of forfeiting is painfully stupid. perhaps if it turned out that the Montana Mafia had paid the scorekeeper off to keep the Hornets from beating the spread, then maybe), how does throwing a game away over a simple error that may or may not have affected the outcome of the game show sportsmanship? "Sh*t happens, mistakes are made. We can't tolerate that, and punishments need to be handed out." Jim O'Day will say. Sounds more like giving up to me. Oh, and hats off to the Sac St. coaches and players (and you sac fans here on egriz) for not demanding this forfeit bullsh*t, understanding that it was a mistake, and moving on.
 
1GRIZ said:
yes, a fantastic plan, forfeiting the game over an official's mistake. I sat through every Grizzly home game for 4 years, and this is the first time I've heard of a mistake like that, but that still doesn't excuse it's occurance. It clearly shows blatant disregard for the integrity of Montana athletics, the Big Sky Conference, college basketball, the NCAA, America's foreign policy, and human nature as a whole. I can see violence against bears escalating because of this, with rabid sportsmanship fanatics blowing up hibernation dens out of sheer rage. Personally, I think we should petition the Big Sky to see to it that the forfeit takes place. You know what, I'm going to draw up the documents right now. I trust you'll all sign? While I'm at it, I think that it's time to introduce instant replay for any call that is considered disputable. It'll be just like in the NFL. Give Krysco a red flag, and every travel, foul, carrying the ball (Roy Booker would love that one) would be reviewable.
OK, sarcasm aside (and just to be clear, I think that the mere thought of forfeiting is painfully stupid. perhaps if it turned out that the Montana Mafia had paid the scorekeeper off to keep the Hornets from beating the spread, then maybe), how does throwing a game away over a simple error that may or may not have affected the outcome of the game show sportsmanship? "Sh*t happens, mistakes are made. We can't tolerate that, and punishments need to be handed out." Jim O'Day will say. Sounds more like giving up to me. Oh, and hats off to the Sac St. coaches and players (and you sac fans here on egriz) for not demanding this forfeit bullsh*t, understanding that it was a mistake, and moving on.
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I was relieved once I got to the sarcasm part! The way this thread has gone I was about to see if I could get a government grant for painkiller because a message board was giving me a headache and it would never have happenned had the military of the USA not invented the internet, sorry Al Gore
 
well, i'm british. we're very sarcastic people, and you yanks have a bit of a time picking up on it sometimes. blame it on your country's love for physical humour.
 
I don't think we should be required to forfeit. I would argue strongly against it if we were required as it was an honest mistake. However, since it is not required or even expected, that is why it would be a great move.

Concepts like Sportsmanship and Ethics are in the eye of the beholder. Nobody is really wrong in their opinion. I just think it would be wonderfully refreshing to be a supporter of a school that stood out in this day and age of high priced sports and said "My bad".

But relax, I'm not demanding or expecting this to happen, and I certainly wouldn't demand this if the tables were turned and the Griz lost at Sac State because I would say, hey honest mistake. Now if it happened in Butte.... (just kidding, I love that town).
 
It's got to be fair to both teams. If UM forfeited the game, it wouldn't be fair to the coaches and players who worked their tails off and won the game in the situation they were given.

The fairest thing to do would allow the last 50 seconds to be played over again, SAC down by 3 and see how the Griz defense would have been changed. Or maybe give the Griz the ball and one possession. If they scored against SAC, then they win. If not we got to OT.

It was an unfortunate mistake. Simple as that, you can't go back and do anything about it now. Forfeiting the game isn't fair to both teams, and thus shouldn't be done. Nor should it be considered a sportsman-like move, because it would dismiss that hard work and play that the Grizzlies put in that night. They didn't score the game, why should they be penalized?
 
But it wouldn't be a great move. It would serve to piss off the players and coaches who busted their asses since August 28th on the track, in the weight room, running the football stadium steps, and spending countless hours going over strategy, training plans, and emotional stress. Seeing as those players had NOTHING to do with the error, why punish them. risk their chance of having a 20-win season? That's a major accomplishment, especially for a program that SHOULD still be suffering from the Kennedy era. OK, maybe some people so far removed from college basketball would sit back and say "Wow, they didn't have to forfeit that game, but they sure are bigger for it," but you can bet that half the team would be angry as a sailor in a dry county, while the other half would be cooking up voodoo formulas to get back at whoever signed the forfeit.
 
Limey bastard? That, sir, is uncalled for. OK, I was going to take the high road, but now I'm going to have to use my superior linguistic skills to make you feel silly. Or perhaps I'll just do this :moon:
 
1GRIZ said:
Limey bastard? That, sir, is uncalled for. OK, I was going to take the high road, but now I'm going to have to use my superior linguistic skills to make you feel silly. Or perhaps I'll just do this :moon:
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:clap:
 
or show everyone the picture of you drunk in your bearcats shooting shirt dancing with that nice dark-haired girl from the dance team? provided that it's you in the picture, of course. i really have no idea.
 
Forfeiting sends the WRONG message. It says that the entire game should be decided by one single mistake only because it happens to be completely identifiable and quantifiable. How many other mistakes like non-calls or bad calls were made? Gosh if we replay the tape of any past game we should forfeit because an offical missed a call? Let's give back the tournament trophy the Griz won last year and any other year where we can identify an official's mistake... Man THAT would show good sportsmanhip!!! Why stop at basketball? If we really want to be good sports and there were missed calls that we can identify in any football game in any past year, get ready to give back them NC rings boys...

No, the message delivered by punishing the team for an honest mistake by a non-team member is that no matter how hard or how well you play, the outcome is going to be decided by an official anyway. Don't officials already have enough influence on the outcome of a game? Do they need more?

The responsible action by the U is to explain exactly how it happened and, provided it was honest and unintentional, to show their plan to minimize the chance of it happening again then MOVE ON. Human error is naturally a part of all sports. Somerimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bug.
 
Grisly Fan said:
Forfeiting sends the WRONG message. It says that the entire game should be decided by one single mistake only because it happens to be completely identifiable and quantifiable. How many other mistakes like non-calls or bad calls were made? Gosh if we replay the tape of any past game we should forfeit because an offical missed a call? Let's give back the tournament trophy the Griz won last year and any other year where we can identify an official's mistake... Man THAT would show good sportsmanhip!!! Why stop at basketball? If we really want to be good sports and there were missed calls that we can identify in any football game in any past year, get ready to give back them NC rings boys...

No, the message delivered by punishing the team for an honest mistake by a non-team member is that no matter how hard or how well you play, the outcome is going to be decided by an official anyway. Don't officials already have enough influence on the outcome of a game? Do they need more?

The responsible action by the U is to explain exactly how it happened and, provided it was honest and unintentional, to show their plan to minimize the chance of it happening again then MOVE ON. Human error is naturally a part of all sports. Somerimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bug.
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Bravo! :thumb:
 
It WAS a mistake - an honest mistake. The scorekeeper wasn't trying to cheat. There ARE dishonest mistakes also and they occur on the road more often than not. Timekeepers are notorious for cheating a second or two when starting or stopping the official clock when it is to the advantage of THEIR team towards the end of the game. The clock is supposed to stop after a make during the last minute but often it continues to tick for an inordinate amount of time - let's just get this game over with! Games aren't forfeited for intentional dishonesty - they certainly shouldn't be forfeited for an unintentional mistake.
 
Re/MaxGriz said:
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Great post, it is an excellent suggestion of utmost sportsmanship.

I doubt they'll do that, considering the forfeit would cost them the 'sky. Good post spam.
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O V E R K I L L.... simply put. It would sacrifice all for minimum benefit... gosh.. you'd think that the players themselves committed the "scoring error".. why would you punish them? This ISN'T the utmost sportsmanship. This is "window-dressing" only for the "feely-good" crowd.
 
spam said:
What a great letter!!! What an absolutely outstanding letter!! In fact, I am going to have my kids read it and help teach them about sportsmanship.

Do I expect the Griz to forfeit? No. Will I lose respect if they don't? No. But I sure would respect the U a whole lot more if they did. I never even thought of it until this letter.

The letter is simply stating that one should be responsible for their actions. The point did in fact affect the game. Did it affect the outcome, who knows. But it caused fouls because they were behind a point when it should have been tied. It caused going for three pointers when they shouldn't have been required to. Of course the Griz may have still won, but it clearly did affect the game.

I think it is a wonderful thought that we in society should take responsibility for our actions and say, you know what, our goof while unintentional did affect the game, and perhaps the outcome wouldn't have changed, but it certainly may have and as such, we forfeit. A chance for a wonderful lesson for kids, which is far more important than one win. In fact, it would make news nation-wide and serve as a feel-good lesson for many outside Griz Nation. To take it a step further, in a selfish sense, it would be tremendous marketing that would probably have no real impact as we have little chance of hosting and little chance of not getting second place win or lose that Sac State game.

Again, what an outstanding letter! (and no, I do not know the author)
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It's easy to step forward and say what somebody ELSE should do when THEY make a mistake, but's it's much harder to step forward and do something significant after YOU'VE made a mistake isn't it?

Why don't YOU enlighten us on some mistake that YOU'VE made in life and let US decide what YOU should do to make up for it? Deal? Yes YOU have made mistakes, so don't pretend otherwise.

AFAIK we've had the same score keeper for over 20 years, and this hasn't happened before. Sometimes people make mistakes.
 
I know spam personally, and while I don't necessarily agree with him on forfeiting, I have no doubt that he would do something like this, if he thought it were the right thing to do.

One of the best ways I have found to judge a person is to golf with him. If he is honest on the golf course, he will probably be honest in other things. If he cheats on the course, you rest assured he cheats at other things.

Spam doesn't cheat in golf either.

Just my :twocents:
 
The big question in my opinion is why didn't the officials stop the game and get it right as soon as the point came off the board. I've seen this happen in other games. If there is a question, the coaches and officals have to get it right then..... every possession after that was affected by that decision. It definitely did affect the game. You can't go back and forfeit, etc. I remember one game in the GNAC this year where the official gave a foul to the wrong player, giving him his 4th foul and he went to the bench. About 4 minutes later it was corrected... with one minute left in the game. Shit happens, but it seems to happen all too often of late and for some reason the home official score keeper is making the mistakes in favor of their team. FIRE them after the first mistake. I don't care if it is volunteer, make them give up their court side seat.
 
BigBear100 said:
The big question in my opinion is why didn't the officials stop the game and get it right as soon as the point came off the board.
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They did stop the game, for about 3 or 4 minutes, while they tried to figure out the discrepancy. The officials were talking to both coaches and the scoring table. According to the Big Sky site, the officials thought the problem was a 3-pointer scored as 2 points and that's what they were looking for in the score sheets. When they didn't find the discrepancy, they changed the score board to match the official score.
 
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