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Should the Griz Hire a Pro Strength & Conditioning Coach

My two cents. Years ago I got my CSCS which is pretty much a requirement for strength coaches. Not hard to pass, but you had to have a degree and pass a more rigorous test than most.

I gave up on becoming a strength and conditioning coach when I saw App State was going to pay their Head S&C coach 18K per year.

For most programs it seems like you've really got to pay your dues at low wages before getting to livable wages.

Bottom line is I assume it's really hard to find good coaches, especially at the FCS level.
 
Maybe a contract with Steve Pfahler? He’s got a pretty successful program in Missoula AND he’s pretty invested in the Griz Football. Hasent he helped out a bunch of guys who went pro?
 
Bobcat99 said:
Most players frame of reference for if a coach is good or not is pretty small. Just saying. That's why empirical evidence is more helpful.
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So you think that some outside critic knows more about the strength coach than the players, the head coach, the assistant coaches, the trainers, etc? Interesting. I find that most players know a significant amount about strength coaches.

Empirical? What are you talking about? Do you even know what the word means?
 
mthoopsfan said:
So you think that some outside critic knows more about the strength coach than the players, the head coach, the assistant coaches, the trainers, etc? Interesting. I find that most players know a significant amount about strength coaches.

Empirical? What are you talking about? Do you even know what the word means?
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I think he’s getting at the fact that for most of the players, this is the only strength coach they have ever had. They probably aren’t really qualified to say if he’s good or bad because they don’t have a lot to compare to.
 
GrizRealist said:
I think he’s getting at the fact that for most of the players, this is the only strength coach they have ever had. They probably aren’t really qualified to say if he’s good or bad because they don’t have a lot to compare to.
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Many players have stength coaches in high, or their parents get them into good strength programs.

All of our Bellevue high players trained with Tracey Ford. He's big time. The professional teams in Seattle go there. He trains guys after college before the Combine and Pro Day. All 3 of my Bellevue nephews, all of whom played at least a bit in college, trained with Ford during high school. He's a hotshot.

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mthoopsfan said:
Many players have stength coaches in high, or their parents get them into good strength programs.

All of our Bellevue high players trained with Tracey Ford. He's big time. The professional teams in Seattle go there. He trains guys after college before the Combine and Pro Day. All 3 of my Bellevue nephews, all of whom played at least a bit in college, trained with Ford during high school. He's a hotshot.

www.gofordsports.com

Staff || Ford Sports Performance - Pacific Northwest Athlete Training

Ford Sports Performance has a great team that is driven and professional. Our staff is experienced. Check out our team and don't forget to Book an Evaluation Now!
www.gofordsports.com www.gofordsports.com
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Never skip a chance to name drop someone do you.
 
I don't know who our strength and conditioning coach is and how effective he is. But I was curious about NDSU and how they do it over there and the guy they have in charge of strength and conditioning plays a huge role in the program. His role is so big that he gives the final go ahead on finalizing recruits they decide to go after and get. The coaches show him tape on the players they want and he tells them what kind of kids to go after and what kids he can mold into the type of players they want on the field. This is why there is so much consistency in NDSU having NFL caliber lineman which is what we haven't had in a while. Another big reason on why they get good lineman is because they know they will be trained and molded to at least have a shot at playing on the next level. I think this is where our program is lacking if we want to take it to the level of NDSU. We don't have a problem at recruiting talented skill position players and we focus on that more than we do on the line and molding lineman into NFL caliber lineman. Like I said, I don't know who our strength and conditioning guy is and maybe he's great, but I know his role isn't like that on the guy they have at NDSU
 
GrizRealist said:
Never skip a chance to name drop someone do you.
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Hoops isn't name dropping because he's trying to show off. The guy is just dropping names because he's close with a lot of people at UM and knows them personally. Why does it bother you that he names people he knows? If I knew the coaches or players personally, I would definitely share that if the conversation called for it.
 
It is amazing to see what S&C programs are available for younger athletes in high school and even earlier now. Just like facilities, I guarantee there is someone somewhere doing things a lot better than we are. And part of the strategy of getting to the top should be catching up and surpassing that to make sure that we are the ones leading the way. That will take $$$ and effort.
 
mthoopsfan said:
So you think that some outside critic knows more about the strength coach than the players, the head coach, the assistant coaches, the trainers, etc? Interesting. I find that most players know a significant amount about strength coaches.

Empirical? What are you talking about? Do you even know what the word means?
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I'm saying they don't know what they don't know. It's not their job to be well researched in the field, they trust their coaches for that.

Look at the pro day results for UM for the past 5 years. Go position by position. Now compare that to MSU. There's a noticeable difference. If you don't want to do the work and live in ignorance, fine, means nothing to me.
 
Oldskoolgriz said:
Hoops isn't name dropping because he's trying to show off. The guy is just dropping names because he's close with a lot of people at UM and knows them personally. Why does it bother you that he names people he knows? If I knew the coaches or players personally, I would definitely share that if the conversation called for it.
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Lmao this must be a poor attempt at comedy...
 
Oldskoolgriz said:
I don't know who our strength and conditioning coach is and how effective he is. But I was curious about NDSU and how they do it over there and the guy they have in charge of strength and conditioning plays a huge role in the program. His role is so big that he gives the final go ahead on finalizing recruits they decide to go after and get. The coaches show him tape on the players they want and he tells them what kind of kids to go after and what kids he can mold into the type of players they want on the field. This is why there is so much consistency in NDSU having NFL caliber lineman which is what we haven't had in a while. Another big reason on why they get good lineman is because they know they will be trained and molded to at least have a shot at playing on the next level. I think this is where our program is lacking if we want to take it to the level of NDSU. We don't have a problem at recruiting talented skill position players and we focus on that more than we do on the line and molding lineman into NFL caliber lineman. Like I said, I don't know who our strength and conditioning guy is and maybe he's great, but I know his role isn't like that on the guy they have at NDSU
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After reading the shit storm I caused I find your post to be one of the best and most informative I have read between the two dumbest posts ever made on Egriz 😉. Great information.
 
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