Shawn Stockton

[PlayerRep]

[If he shot 58% in high school, and is putting up the lowly percentages he is now, you just made my case PR. The kid is not a true D1 player. I don't really give a rip which coach you talk to ....Andy Hill. :lol:

Actually, all of the coaches, including Wayne. Are you just sore that some of us actually knew what was going on with the move-up discussions, and you didn't?

 

[Grizbacker1]

[If he shot 58% in high school, and is putting up the lowly percentages he is now, you just made my case PR. The kid is not a true D1 player. I don't really give a rip which coach you talk to ....Andy Hill. :lol:

Actually, all of the coaches, including Wayne. Are you just sore that some of us actually knew what was going on with the move-up discussions, and you didn't?

WTF are you talking about? Did you just get home from Mo Club? :beer:

 

[grizfnz]

Stockton, as well as some of the others, don't have enough stats this year for the stats to be meaningful. Stockton's career stats include more numbers in them and are more meaningful, in my view. He shot 58% from the field his senior year of high school. I go to the games. I see him going after lose balls. I attend some practices. I've watched him shoot. I talk to the coaches. Listening on the radio or watching the Internet far afar is not the same. Sorry, but some of you don't have much credibility with me.

If he shot 58% in high school, and is putting up the lowly percentages he is now, you just made my case PR. The kid is not a true D1 player. I don't really give a rip which coach you talk to ....Andy Hill. :lol:

He must not be getting the open looks in college that he got from being the recipient of DeAngelo Casto being double teamed or blocking shots leading to layup city.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Stockton is this years player that is "that guy." That guy coaches says all teams need. He is the perfect complimentary piece to the puzzle. He knows exactly what you will get from him, hustle, ball security, nasty/feisty attitude, sound defense, and leadership. It is also a luxury to have a great locker room guy.

Talent wise he might not be where others are. Until Tinkle gets a 12 deep roster of better recruits, he likes making sure he has a Stockton type every year. Stockton is what he is, and he certainly does not hurt the GRIZ. AS for playing him with Cherry, Cherry is out there for handling pressure defense. Stockton is a good ball distributor, but lacks the quickness to handle intense pressure. Autry and Adams very well have better potential and games, but Tinkle is not just going to give these guys minutes. They have earn the time until they meet his criteria and expectations.

Do not be surprised if Adams or Autry get more minutes as the season moves forward. For the time being, appreciate Stockton as a GRIZ, as Tinkle does. :thumb:

 

[GrizBBIsKing]

Stockton shoots good. when warming up.

 

[Maynardsgametrail]

Stockton, as well as some of the others, don't have enough stats this year for the stats to be meaningful. Stockton's career stats include more numbers in them and are more meaningful, in my view. He shot 58% from the field his senior year of high school. I go to the games. I see him going after lose balls. I attend some practices. I've watched him shoot. I talk to the coaches. Listening on the radio or watching the Internet far afar is not the same. Sorry, but some of you don't have much credibility with me.

Stockton is a JUNIOR and still doesnt have "enough stats" to make me think any different. That is what I am getting at. As of this point, more than half way through his career, there is no definition for SS.

Coaches are like politicians, and I find it extremely hard to believe that the coaches would actually be honest with you. I would NEVER expect a coach to badmouth a student athlete to me. Most coaches are great at saying the correct thing when it comes to talking to the general public, but maybe you (PR) are not general public. Once again, I find that hard to believe.

No apology necessary homeboy......lol. I dont give a sh*t what you think of me.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Stockton is this years player that is "that guy." That guy coaches says all teams need. He is the perfect complimentary piece to the puzzle. He knows exactly what you will get from him, hustle, ball security, nasty/feisty attitude, sound defense, and leadership. It is also a luxury to have a great locker room guy.

Talent wise he might not be where others are. Until Tinkle gets a 12 deep roster of better recruits, he likes making sure he has a Stockton type every year. Stockton is what he is, and he certainly does not hurt the GRIZ. AS for playing him with Cherry, Cherry is out there for handling pressure defense. Stockton is a good ball distributor, but lacks the quickness to handle intense pressure. Autry and Adams very well have better potential and games, but Tinkle is not just going to give these guys minutes. They have earn the time until they meet his criteria and expectations.

Do not be surprised if Adams or Autry get more minutes as the season moves forward. For the time being, appreciate Stockton as a GRIZ, as Tinkle does. :thumb:

If Autry had the mental toughness Stockton does he would be getting more minutes now. The guys riding the pine should pay attnetion to Mathias Ward. The last 2 games he has come in and made a contribution. Like he said, you have to be ready when your number is called.

 

[Proud Griz Man]

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Consistent, winning teams need players
who understand their role and embrace
their responsiblities. They put
the team needs first.

Jim Molloy
Rodney Brandon
Rob Hurley
KC McGowan
Nate DuChesne
Chris Spoja
Mat Seidensticker

 

[Grizbacker1]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Consistent, winning teams need players
who understand their role and embrace
their responsiblities. They put
the team needs first.

Jim Molloy
Rodney Brandon
Rob Hurley
KC McGowan
Nate DuChesne
Chris Spoja
Mat Seidensticker

True, but be real, Stockton couldn't carry any of these guys jocks.

 

[Proud Griz Man]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Consistent, winning teams need players
who understand their role and embrace
their responsiblities. They put
the team needs first.

Jim Molloy
Rodney Brandon
Rob Hurley
KC McGowan
Nate DuChesne
Chris Spoja
Mat Seidensticker

True, but be real, Stockton couldn't carry any of these guys jocks.

Look closer, I did not say that he could. :?

I didn't take sides or call anyone out.
I just made an observation, with
historical examples to make a point. :thumb:

I loved watching the 'enforcer' Rod Brandon
when an off-the-ball opponent tried
cutting across the lane to get a pass. He
not only fronted the post, but usually beat
the opponent to the desired spot in the lane
where the pass was directed.
Plus, I can't ever recall Brandon ever being
stripped of the ball once he secured a rebound
or loose ball. Brandon clutched the ball with
both hands and extended his stainless-steel
elbows, which were introduced
to several opponents rib-cages.

 

[Grizbacker1]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Consistent, winning teams need players
who understand their role and embrace
their responsiblities. They put
the team needs first.

Jim Molloy
Rodney Brandon
Rob Hurley
KC McGowan
Nate DuChesne
Chris Spoja
Mat Seidensticker

True, but be real, Stockton couldn't carry any of these guys jocks.

Look closer, I did not say that he could. :?

I didn't take sides or call anyone out.
I just made an observation, with
historical examples to make a point. :thumb:

I loved watching the 'enforcer' Rod Brandon
when an off-the-ball opponent tried
cutting across the lane to get a pass. He
not only fronted the post, but usually beat
the opponent to the desired spot in the lane
where the pass was directed.
Plus, I can't ever recall Brandon ever being
stripped of the ball once he secured a rebound
or loose ball. Brandon clutched the ball with
both hands and extended his stainless-steel
elbows, which were introduced
to several opponents rib-cages.

And I didn't say you did, however; one could argue that you were in fact implying it since you chose to post it in the thread about none other than Stockton.

 

[Proud Griz Man]

And I didn't say you did, however; one could argue that you were in fact implying it since you chose to post it in the thread about none other than Stockton.

Please, Argue whatever you point you choose GB1. :thumb:

I just don't see the need to start a separate thread in order
to make a point about teamwork and role players. :|

The 1980's Showtime Lakers didn't have an All-star
power forward, but Kurt Rambis and AC Green
did a solid job rebounding and defending.

 

[Maynardsgametrail]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Consistent, winning teams need players
who understand their role and embrace
their responsiblities. They put
the team needs first.

Jim Molloy
Rodney Brandon
Rob Hurley
KC McGowan
Nate DuChesne
Chris Spoja
Mat Seidensticker

Hmmmm......SS or one of my all time Favorites Chris Spoja? So, when SS's career is over, SS will be added to your list of best ever roll player?

 

[grizonbob]

There's some truth here to everyone's arguments. I think Stockton makes a contribution in several ways to the Griz, and I think the coaches do too.

I've noticed they've been using him more at the end of games and toward the end of the first half because he's a good ball handler, he doesn't make many decisions, and he's a good free throw shooter (or at better than most on the team). He's a steadying influence.

When you've got some pedal to the metal players like Cherry, it's always good to have some players who can be counted on to help get things back under control if play starts to get too ragged.

 

[Grizbacker1]

And I didn't say you did, however; one could argue that you were in fact implying it since you chose to post it in the thread about none other than Stockton.

Please, Argue whatever you point you choose GB1. :thumb:

I just don't see the need to start a separate thread in order
to make a point about teamwork and role players. :|

The 1980's Showtime Lakers didn't have an All-star
power forward, but Kurt Rambis and AC Green
did a solid job rebounding and defending.

The more you post, the funnier it gets. All AC Green was in college was All Pac 10 and a 1st round draft pick. All Rambis did was be named freshman of the year in the WCC, then MVP of the WCC as a Sr, and had his number retired. Yeppers, sounds just like Stockton's UM career. :lol: :thumb:

 

[Proud Griz Man]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Consistent, winning teams need players
who understand their role and embrace
their responsiblities. They put
the team needs first.

Jim Molloy
Rodney Brandon
Rob Hurley
KC McGowan
Nate DuChesne
Chris Spoja
Mat Seidensticker

Hmmmm......SS or one of my all time Favorites Chris Spoja? So, when SS's career is over, SS will be added to your list of best ever roll player?

No Maynard, I did not complile a list of best role players aka "roll" players,
just listed examples of players that made contributions to Griz teams in the past.

 

[Proud Griz Man]

And I didn't say you did, however; one could argue that you were in fact implying it since you chose to post it in the thread about none other than Stockton.

Please, Argue whatever you point you choose GB1. :thumb:

I just don't see the need to start a separate thread in order
to make a point about teamwork and role players. :|

The 1980's Showtime Lakers didn't have an All-star
power forward, but Kurt Rambis and AC Green
did a solid job rebounding and defending.

The more you post, the funnier it gets. All AC Green was in college was All Pac 10 and a 1st round draft pick. All Rambis did was be named freshman of the year in the WCC, then MVP of the WCC as a Sr, and had his number retired. Yeppers, sounds just like Stockton's UM career. :lol: :thumb:

I am glad you enjoy the humor. :thumb:

Did you 'read' where I directly compared the
college careers of Rambis and S.Stockton ? Yeppers. :roll:

 

[Grizbacker1]

And I didn't say you did, however; one could argue that you were in fact implying it since you chose to post it in the thread about none other than Stockton.

Please, Argue whatever you point you choose GB1. :thumb:

I just don't see the need to start a separate thread in order
to make a point about teamwork and role players. :|

The 1980's Showtime Lakers didn't have an All-star
power forward, but Kurt Rambis and AC Green
did a solid job rebounding and defending.

The more you post, the funnier it gets. All AC Green was in college was All Pac 10 and a 1st round draft pick. All Rambis did was be named freshman of the year in the WCC, then MVP of the WCC as a Sr, and had his number retired. Yeppers, sounds just like Stockton's UM career. :lol: :thumb:

I am glad you enjoy the humor. :thumb:

Did you 'read' where I directly compared the
college careers of Rambis and S.Stockton ? Yeppers. :roll:

You are the one who keeps trying to make a point by posting names of "Role Players". What's next, guys who are NBA All Stars, but non starters? :lol: :clap: :thumb:

 

[bobaloo]

I have to agree with GB1 on Stockton. His cousin ( John's son) is playing for Westminister in Salt Lake and doing very well. One of the top players on the team. The NAIA is where Shawn should be playing. I think Tinks recruited him before he had better recruiting contacts in other states. I wonder if any politics may have helped Shawn's situation. Pure speculation on that note. His game is not DI quality no matter what spin one wants to make.

 

[PlayerRep]

So being 7th in minutes and playing in every game for a D-I team, which has recently beaten UCLA and Oregon St, is not D-I quality. That is pretty funny.

I think some posters have just shown that they don't have the necessary basketball knowledge to post anything credible on a D-I message board. Time for some of you to drop down to commenting on high school hoops.