Shann no longer at Mississippi State

[kemajic]

My post has nothing to do with Shann's coaching ability. He may be a great coach. Has he even been a coordinator before? I get tired of the shallow thinking by so many Griz fans that we ALWAYS need to hire from within. Hell, there are posters who were all over trying to hire the Sac. State D-coordinator as our head coach.

Both our football and basketball programs have hired former coaches/players for several decades. I just want us to consider candidates from all over the country, and do an actual search. For one, hiring an outsider might open-up new recruiting states which we can mine players from.

It is just such small-mindedness, IMO, to always think we have to hire from within.

We don’t always have to. And we don’t always do so.


Stitt and Kennedy come immediately to mind.

Checkmate.

 

[AZGrizFan]

We don’t always have to. And we don’t always do so.


Stitt and Kennedy come immediately to mind.

Checkmate.

And the guy from Florence, Don Holst(?) I think was his name…or maybe he was already an assistant?

 

[RoseyMustGo]

We don’t always have to. And we don’t always do so.


Stitt and Kennedy come immediately to mind.

Checkmate.

I was just waiting for these two as examples of why we should NEVER hire from outside the program. I notice you didn't include Don Read as an example. I knew Stitt was a bad hire before he coached his first game. Totally unqualified.

While you're at it, let's discuss an example of an abject failure of a coach, hired from within...... Mick Delaney. In my opinion, giving Delaney three years set our program back for many years, and it still hasn't recovered.

Bottom line, have an AD who has a clue about conducting a national search to hire a head coach. Haslam has already demonstrated that he doesn't have a clue. He has made at least three bad hires..... Stitt, Delaney, and Schweyen. Not a very good track record. So, knowing that he couldn't afford to make another one, he allows the big-shot boosters like mthoopsfan make the hire....... thus, we get the re-tread Hauck and his band of dinosaurs.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Checkmate.

I was just waiting for these two as examples of why we should NEVER hire from outside the program. I notice you didn't include Don Read as an example. I knew Stitt was a bad hire before he coached his first game. Totally unqualified.

While you're at it, let's discuss an example of an abject failure of a coach, hired from within...... Mick Delaney. In my opinion, giving Delaney three years set our program back for many years, and it still hasn't recovered.

Bottom line, have an AD who has a clue about conducting a national search to hire a head coach. Haslam has already demonstrated that he doesn't have a clue. He has made at least three bad hires..... Stitt, Delaney, and Schweyen. Not a very good track record. So, knowing that he couldn't afford to make another one, he allows the big-shot boosters like mthoopsfan make the hire....... thus, we get the re-tread Hauck and his band of dinosaurs.

Engstrom hired Delaney.

 

[kemajic]

I was just waiting for these two as examples of why we should NEVER hire from outside the program. I notice you didn't include Don Read as an example. I knew Stitt was a bad hire before he coached his first game. Totally unqualified.

While you're at it, let's discuss an example of an abject failure of a coach, hired from within...... Mick Delaney. In my opinion, giving Delaney three years set our program back for many years, and it still hasn't recovered.

Bottom line, have an AD who has a clue about conducting a national search to hire a head coach. Haslam has already demonstrated that he doesn't have a clue. He has made at least three bad hires..... Stitt, Delaney, and Schweyen. Not a very good track record. So, knowing that he couldn't afford to make another one, he allows the big-shot boosters like mthoopsfan make the hire....... thus, we get the re-tread Hauck and his band of dinosaurs.

Engstrom hired Delaney.

Yes he was imposed on Haslam as a requirement for Haslam's promotion. And regarding Shannon, Selvig had more clout at the time and was not to be denied. But he's right about Stitt, major blunder and Haslam went against all advice. So Rosey got one of three, quite good for him.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Engstrom hired Delaney.

Yes he was imposed on Haslam as a requirement for Haslam's promotion. And regarding Shannon, Selvig had more clout at the time and was not to be denied. But he's right about Stitt, major blunder and Haslam went against all advice. So Rosey got one of three, quite good for him.

Your alleged hiring decisions are nothing but conjecture. You have zero information on the actual hiring practice for these two hires. I also know that Selvig had no clout at the time he "retired". You may wanna ask some of your insider buddies about that one. Your deflection has been registered and logged.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

We don’t always have to. And we don’t always do so.


Stitt and Kennedy come immediately to mind.

Checkmate.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Checkmate.

You can't win at checkers, so chess would be a no go for you

 

[Art Spooner]

See this is the problem with this football program and it's fans. All you wish for is to re-cycle some former player or coach to fill a coaching position. We need new blood in the program, and less nepotism.

One recalls Choate sending Ione to UW to get refined on the Jimmy Lake defense that Choate preferred. When ready, Gregorak was canned and Ione came back as DC. Shann went to Mississippi State to learn what former Bobby colleague at SDSU, Arnette was doing with the 3-3-5 in the SEC. I’m just not sure when Shann left State and if he was there long enough to prepare himself.

 

[rocklobster]

My post has nothing to do with Shann's coaching ability. He may be a great coach. Has he even been a coordinator before? I get tired of the shallow thinking by so many Griz fans that we ALWAYS need to hire from within. Hell, there are posters who were all over trying to hire the Sac. State D-coordinator as our head coach.

Both our football and basketball programs have hired former coaches/players for several decades. I just want us to consider candidates from all over the country, and do an actual search. For one, hiring an outsider might open-up new recruiting states which we can mine players from.

It is just such small-mindedness, IMO, to always think we have to hire from within.

Great idea! That Bob Stitt thing worked out great!

 

[Griz Addict]

These guys act like we can get any coach in the country. One big reason for hiring candidates that are linked to the program, is that it's not just for the money. It's because they love this program, it's in their blood and they want nothing more than to see the Griz win. They deeply care. Ya go find a good outside hire and watch him leave in a couple years of success. Then have to do it all over again. I'd rather have winning seasons every year with a HC that has one of the best W-L records in the damn country. Outside hires are a lose lose, they do good and leave for $ or they completely shit the bed and take the heart out of the program(Stitt)

I'll go with the guys that love the program and have ties to it. Griz also go for recruits that have ties to the program too because they want us to win more than anyone and they damn sure want to beat our rivals!

 

[Griz Addict]

And we don't pay our coaches enough to stay that long. Ones that don't have ties to the program, that is.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

Checkmate.

I was just waiting for these two as examples of why we should NEVER hire from outside the program. I notice you didn't include Don Read as an example. I knew Stitt was a bad hire before he coached his first game. Totally unqualified.

While you're at it, let's discuss an example of an abject failure of a coach, hired from within...... Mick Delaney. In my opinion, giving Delaney three years set our program back for many years, and it still hasn't recovered.

Bottom line, have an AD who has a clue about conducting a national search to hire a head coach. Haslam has already demonstrated that he doesn't have a clue. He has made at least three bad hires..... Stitt, Delaney, and Schweyen. Not a very good track record. So, knowing that he couldn't afford to make another one, he allows the big-shot boosters like mthoopsfan make the hire....... thus, we get the re-tread Hauck and his band of dinosaurs.

How in the holy hell was Booger a bad hire?!? Mick was willing to take on the shit show that the Griz were after Engstrom nuked the program. Who do you think would have walked into that fiasco? He had one bad season where he was at a serious disadvantage because he was hired AFTER spring ball. Plus he had your favorite person as OC in 2012

First round bye in 2013 with (even though they lost to Coastal in one of the strangest GD officiated games I’ve ever seen) beating the Cats in Bozeman. 3rd in conference

Beat the snot out of the cats in 2014 and back in the playoffs. Tied second in conference.

Nobody expected anything out of him after the 2012 disaster. Griz nation was reeling and he kept the boat afloat and had some decent success doing it. He knew he ultimately would not be the answer, but the AD giving him three years gave the program the stability it needed to try and get a good hire for HC rather than a desperation one. Without Mick doing what he did, this program is in far worse shape.

Neither Stitt nor Bobby 2.0 beat the cats twice. Stitt only finished second in conference once and then was terrible, Bobby 2.0 has not equaled Delaney’s in-conference success.

Say what you want about either Stitt, Hauck, or Haslam, but Mick was a Godsend when the days were dark and the sky really was falling in Missoula.

 

[kemajic]

I was just waiting for these two as examples of why we should NEVER hire from outside the program. I notice you didn't include Don Read as an example. I knew Stitt was a bad hire before he coached his first game. Totally unqualified.

While you're at it, let's discuss an example of an abject failure of a coach, hired from within...... Mick Delaney. In my opinion, giving Delaney three years set our program back for many years, and it still hasn't recovered.

Bottom line, have an AD who has a clue about conducting a national search to hire a head coach. Haslam has already demonstrated that he doesn't have a clue. He has made at least three bad hires..... Stitt, Delaney, and Schweyen. Not a very good track record. So, knowing that he couldn't afford to make another one, he allows the big-shot boosters like mthoopsfan make the hire....... thus, we get the re-tread Hauck and his band of dinosaurs.

How in the holy hell was Booger a bad hire?!? Mick was willing to take on the shit show that the Griz were after Engstrom nuked the program. Who do you think would have walked into that fiasco? He had one bad season where he was at a serious disadvantage because he was hired AFTER spring ball. Plus he had your favorite person as OC in 2012

First round bye in 2013 with (even though they lost to Coastal in one of the strangest GD officiated games I’ve ever seen) beating the Cats in Bozeman. 3rd in conference

Beat the snot out of the cats in 2014 and back in the playoffs. Tied second in conference.

Nobody expected anything out of him after the 2012 disaster. Griz nation was reeling and he kept the boat afloat and had some decent success doing it. He knew he ultimately would not be the answer, but the AD giving him three years gave the program the stability it needed to try and get a good hire for HC rather than a desperation one. Without Mick doing what he did, this program is in far worse shape.

Neither Stitt nor Bobby 2.0 beat the cats twice. Stitt only finished second in conference once and then was terrible, Bobby 2.0 has not equaled Delaney’s in-conference success.

Say what you want about either Stitt, Hauck, or Haslam, but Mick was a Godsend when the days were dark and the sky really was falling in Missoula.

What this guy said.

 

[SaskGriz]

I was just waiting for these two as examples of why we should NEVER hire from outside the program. I notice you didn't include Don Read as an example. I knew Stitt was a bad hire before he coached his first game. Totally unqualified.

While you're at it, let's discuss an example of an abject failure of a coach, hired from within...... Mick Delaney. In my opinion, giving Delaney three years set our program back for many years, and it still hasn't recovered.

Bottom line, have an AD who has a clue about conducting a national search to hire a head coach. Haslam has already demonstrated that he doesn't have a clue. He has made at least three bad hires..... Stitt, Delaney, and Schweyen. Not a very good track record. So, knowing that he couldn't afford to make another one, he allows the big-shot boosters like mthoopsfan make the hire....... thus, we get the re-tread Hauck and his band of dinosaurs.

How in the holy hell was Booger a bad hire?!? Mick was willing to take on the shit show that the Griz were after Engstrom nuked the program. Who do you think would have walked into that fiasco? He had one bad season where he was at a serious disadvantage because he was hired AFTER spring ball. Plus he had your favorite person as OC in 2012

First round bye in 2013 with (even though they lost to Coastal in one of the strangest GD officiated games I’ve ever seen) beating the Cats in Bozeman. 3rd in conference

Beat the snot out of the cats in 2014 and back in the playoffs. Tied second in conference.

Nobody expected anything out of him after the 2012 disaster. Griz nation was reeling and he kept the boat afloat and had some decent success doing it. He knew he ultimately would not be the answer, but the AD giving him three years gave the program the stability it needed to try and get a good hire for HC rather than a desperation one. Without Mick doing what he did, this program is in far worse shape.

Neither Stitt nor Bobby 2.0 beat the cats twice. Stitt only finished second in conference once and then was terrible, Bobby 2.0 has not equaled Delaney’s in-conference success.

Say what you want about either Stitt, Hauck, or Haslam, but Mick was a Godsend when the days were dark and the sky really was falling in Missoula.

:thumb: 100%

 

[ordigger]

Checkmate.

And the guy from Florence, Don Holst(?) I think was his name…or maybe he was already an assistant?

From a GF Trib article bin 2018 by Scott Mansch…

Don Holst was a basketball standout at Plentywood High and Northern Montana College before starting a coaching career that eventually carried him to the NCAA Tournament. He spent 11 seasons as an assistant men’s coach at Montana and was the Grizzlies’ head coach from 1998-2002, a tenure that ended with a trip to the Big Dance. Holst, who also coached high school basketball in Harlowton, Ennis and Florence, and after his UM days was an assistant men’s coach at Utah State, is now a principal in Arlee.

 

[indian-outlaw]

We don’t always have to. And we don’t always do so.


Stitt and Kennedy come immediately to mind.

Checkmate.

This is exactly right, nepotism is not an issue here. In fact IMHO we could use a little more home grown talent staying around.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Checkmate.

This is exactly right, nepotism is not an issue here. In fact IMHO we could use a little more home grown talent staying around.

Yeah, let's just keep hiring good ole' boys, who the boosters push us to hire. That's always the way to go. Hell, let's just accelerate that process and make Robby the new D-coordinator, so he can teach free safeties how to lead the team in tackles.

You gotta love how Kem keeps bringing up Stitt as an example of why we should NEVER go outside of the "Griz family" to hire a head coach. Yet he ignores disastrous internal hires like Mick Delaney and Schweyen.

The lesson from Kem: "Since we made a mistake once in hiring an outsider, NEVER try it again!"

 

[argh!]

This is exactly right, nepotism is not an issue here. In fact IMHO we could use a little more home grown talent staying around.

Yeah, let's just keep hiring good ole' boys, who the boosters push us to hire. That's always the way to go. Hell, let's just accelerate that process and make Robby the new D-coordinator, so he can teach free safeties how to lead the team in tackles.

You gotta love how Kem keeps bringing up Stitt as an example of why we should NEVER go outside of the "Griz family" to hire a head coach. Yet he ignores disastrous internal hires like Mick Delaney and Schweyen.

The lesson from Kem: "Since we made a mistake once in hiring an outsider, NEVER try it again!"

you would think a phd would be able to figure out that a study with n=1 doesn't make for a particularly convincing argument, but hey...

 

[Ursus1]

Outside hire...Don Read. This new fresh start was what truly got the Griz to the peak years. He took the program from mediocre and left it elite.