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Seriously... (updated with hardware and prices)

MrMischief said:
grizpsych said:
PS. My guess is that it would be completely free to you (if not profitable), which is based on the number of people that wanted to watch my link and could not get video this weekend.
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grizpsych said:
griznation23 said:
uhm... how do i get paid for doing this :?: Might be intereset...
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I don't get paid. Although some may think my ethics are suspect here, I have only ever lost money (my time for other things) on my projects. Here, I may ask the community for reimbursement costs for hardware, but that is it.

If you're looking for profit, I suggest that you contact the firstrowsports people.
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So which is it?

I'm curious about how you plan on keeping it untraceable back to the person providing the signal.
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First, if people reimburse more than the cost of the hardware and I could not give them their money back, I would split the extra with my partner (I would guess this would be like 10 dollars).

Edit: I modded this after I read that you're and IS/IT guy. So, second, this method uses private livestream account that is not published on any search engine and OrbTV, two completely different streams. Check them out if you're interested:

http://www.livestream.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.orb.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Okay so the plan is to keep the stream hidden enough that hopefully no one will notice? I'll admit I don't know livestream or orb, but I'm sure they are going to have record of who is connecting to what. Both businesses are based in the U.S. so both have very little legal ground to stand on if someone wants access to that information due to an illegal rebroadcast. You could try streaming through Tor I guess, but even if you could get it to work you still are not truly anonymous on there.

I'm just saying, if you are are going to pay for someone to set this up and to teach them how to do it, you should probably let them know the risks. I'm certainly not a lawyer, but at the very least this may be cause for your cableTV/sat provider/ISP to cancel their service with you, and it might even lead to criminal charges. I know there have been at least two arrests made for doing something similar. Both of those people operated streaming sites (like firstrowsports) from within the US so this isn't on the same level, but fundamentally it seems like what you are asking someone to do is criminal copyright infringement.

Should it be? Of course not. TV networks in general are operating on an outdated and failing business model. I expect they will soon go the way of the dodo and newspaper. Unfortunately rather than adapting to new technologies, the networks would rather make legal trouble for their customers and protect what they currently have.
 
Edited for niceness because I appreciate that you're looking out for others.

MrMischief,

A) In this case, you simply do not know the technology. There is no risk involved for the person willing to help me, and I make sure that they know they have complete power over the whole idea and can stop it by simply deleting one program.

B) Of course, I will let (and already did once) the person I work with in on exactly how it works.

C) I cannot emphasize this enough, it's two separate streams, two different signals. I can do the same thing with Hulu that I'm asking someone to do with me. Would you then say Hulu is at fault?
 
MrMischief said:
I'm just saying, if you are are going to pay for someone to set this up and to teach them how to do it, you should probably let them know the risks. I'm certainly not a lawyer, but at the very least this may be cause for your cableTV/sat provider/ISP to cancel their service with you, and it might even lead to criminal charges. I know there have been at least two arrests made for doing something similar. Both of those people operated streaming sites (like firstrowsports) from within the US so this isn't on the same level, but fundamentally it seems like what you are asking someone to do is criminal copyright infringement.
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there are many ways to do this safely. tor would work but would be slow. certain proxies would be decent for this. my preferred method would be a certain vpn service that i know i can trust.
 
Griz Pirate said:
MrMischief said:
I'm just saying, if you are are going to pay for someone to set this up and to teach them how to do it, you should probably let them know the risks. I'm certainly not a lawyer, but at the very least this may be cause for your cableTV/sat provider/ISP to cancel their service with you, and it might even lead to criminal charges. I know there have been at least two arrests made for doing something similar. Both of those people operated streaming sites (like firstrowsports) from within the US so this isn't on the same level, but fundamentally it seems like what you are asking someone to do is criminal copyright infringement.
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there are many ways to do this safely. tor would work but would be slow. certain proxies would be decent for this. my preferred method would be a certain vpn service that i know i can trust.
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Ding ding ding, we have one person that knows what we're talking about. Hey, a VPN with a MAC/IP adress changer is even better. Oh and look here, someone that has a published livestream account.
 
So you're saying what you're asking is perfectly legal and without risk? I believe that it is illegal, or at the very least it's likely to be a breach of some fine print on the agreement for the cable TV provider and maybe the ISP.

I have a basic high-level grasp of what you are intending to do. What caught my eye was the line "no one would be able to trace anything to you." I'm still not convinced that you can provide that. The VPN is certainly not a way toward anonymity. Not when you're dealing with law enforcement. What is going to keep you safe is that you're small potatoes. It is unlikely that anyone is going to want to spend the time or money investigating who might be pirating a Griz game.
 
MrMischief said:
So you're saying what you're asking is perfectly legal and without risk? I believe that it is illegal, or at the very least it's likely to be a breach of some fine print on the agreement for the cable TV provider and maybe the ISP.

I have a basic high-level grasp of what you are intending to do. What caught my eye was the line "no one would be able to trace anything to you." I'm still not convinced that you can provide that. The VPN is certainly not a way toward anonymity. Not when you're dealing with law enforcement. What is going to keep you safe is that you're small potatoes. It is unlikely that anyone is going to want to spend the time or money investigating who might be pirating a Griz game.
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My side flirts with legal boundaries the other part is legal. Good God, go to Best Buy and buy a Slingbox and you can do the same thing legally! OrbTV = Slingbox, there the same company. However, OrbTV runs from your computer rather than being stand alone like slingbox. OrbTV makes it's money through apps for Ipohne and Android, and have been for years.

By the way dude, you pushed me (and most likely the few others that would have helped do this) over the edge. So I am giving up on trying to make this work. The 50 or more of us that have been watching my link over the last few years will just have to find a different way.
 
I just sent this thread to the cyber-police task force.

I'm sorry I just don't see this as something that can be discussed on a griz forum, we thrive on class, and this is far from it. I won't stand to let a griz "fan" blatantly ask for help on how to break the law on the forum that is supposed to represent CLASSY fans.

I hope you go to jail.
 
Wolfman_Jack said:
I just sent this thread to the cyber-police task force.

I'm sorry I just don't see this as something that can be discussed on a griz forum, we thrive on class, and this is far from it. I won't stand to let a griz "fan" blatantly ask for help on how to break the law on the forum that is supposed to represent CLASSY fans.

I hope you go to jail.
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Wow, they are already at my door. Thanks Jack :thumb:
 
Slingbox is one user. You are asking to rebroadcast it to multiple users. Sorry a little bit of questioning caused you to take your ball and go home. People violate the law all the time. I'm not saying don't do it, but I do think you shouldn't lie to them about being anonymous.
 
MrMischief said:
So you're saying what you're asking is perfectly legal and without risk? I believe that it is illegal, or at the very least it's likely to be a breach of some fine print on the agreement for the cable TV provider and maybe the ISP.

I have a basic high-level grasp of what you are intending to do. What caught my eye was the line "no one would be able to trace anything to you." I'm still not convinced that you can provide that. The VPN is certainly not a way toward anonymity. Not when you're dealing with law enforcement. What is going to keep you safe is that you're small potatoes. It is unlikely that anyone is going to want to spend the time or money investigating who might be pirating a Griz game.
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I'm pretty sure I have a good idea of how grizpsych was planning on doing this. And if I'm correct in assuming how he was going to do this, there was no risk for the other person. All of the risk involved would be on grizpsych's end, and even that risk would be very very tiny and only if he didn't do things right on his end.

I could go into more details if you like and explain why there would be no risk to the other person, what grizpsych could do to cover his ass and not be tracked down, and why even if he did fuck up and exposed his IP address he'd likely get nothing more than a warning letter from his ISP. That would be kind of a long post though, and it sounds like this issue is dead anyway...
 
grizpsych said:
Wolfman_Jack said:
I just sent this thread to the cyber-police task force.

I'm sorry I just don't see this as something that can be discussed on a griz forum, we thrive on class, and this is far from it. I won't stand to let a griz "fan" blatantly ask for help on how to break the law on the forum that is supposed to represent CLASSY fans.

I hope you go to jail.
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Wow, they are already at my door. Thanks Jack :thumb:
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It's unlikely considering they will be getting a search warrant and likely kicking through your door in the middle of the night. Hope you don't have anything to hide on your hard-drive, as that will soon be evidence.
 
MrMischief said:
Slingbox is one user. You are asking to rebroadcast it to multiple users. Sorry a little bit of questioning caused you to take your ball and go home. People violate the law all the time. I'm not saying don't do it, but I do think you shouldn't lie to them about being anonymous.
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Ok, I did have a long post typed out..but figured maybe I'd put my awesome MS Paint skills to work to draw how I'm guessing it would work to go to multiple users... So here it is. Any questions and I'll post the long ass post explaining things and why there would be no risk to the non-technical person who was helping grizpsych, and how grizpsych could protect himself in the very unlikely event that someone from the TV station or somewhere else really gave a rats ass that it was being streamed.

Here's a link to my example...

http://www.madtaco.com/images/example.jpg
 
I'm still confused. It would help if you used the spray paint brush and more colors. Using stink lines would be a plus.
 
Potomac Griz said:
MrMischief said:
Slingbox is one user. You are asking to rebroadcast it to multiple users. Sorry a little bit of questioning caused you to take your ball and go home. People violate the law all the time. I'm not saying don't do it, but I do think you shouldn't lie to them about being anonymous.
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Ok, I did have a long post typed out..but figured maybe I'd put my awesome MS Paint skills to work to draw how I'm guessing it would work to go to multiple users... So here it is. Any questions and I'll post the long ass post explaining things and why there would be no risk to the non-technical person who was helping grizpsych, and how grizpsych could protect himself in the very unlikely event that someone from the TV station or somewhere else really gave a rats ass that it was being streamed.

Here's a link to my example...

http://www.madtaco.com/images/example.jpg
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:lol: and awesome supplmental art! :clap:
 
PeauxRouge said:
I'm still confused. It would help if you used the spray paint brush and more colors. Using stink lines would be a plus.
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i think he should use pussycatkillerz expertise for this....
 
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