Serious Question For Griz Fans

[RoseyMustGo]

I'll wait until after our game on Saturday, then read the predictable threads, all based on whether we win that game or lose it. Some fans are not capable of living past the most current game, and taking a 40,000 foot look at our program. You'll see that I am correct about the predictable threads come Sunday.

I would argue that if we beat NDSU in the Fargo dome on Saturday that it’s a quite obvious step forward for our football program. Most schools haven’t done it

Yeah, that would be a huge win indeed. But would only confirm my point about using a single game to evaluate the health of our program. I still remember all of the chest pounding after we beat NDSU in Missoula in Stitt's first game as coach. The old adage, "nothing is as bad as it seems, nor as good as it seems" might be applicable here.

 

[uofmman1122]

I would argue that if we beat NDSU in the Fargo dome on Saturday that it’s a quite obvious step forward for our football program. Most schools haven’t done it

Yeah, that would be a huge win indeed. But would only confirm my point about using a single game to evaluate the health of our program. I still remember all of the chest pounding after we beat NDSU in Missoula in Stitt's first game as coach. The old adage, "nothing is as bad as it seems, nor as good as it seems" might be applicable here.

If we beat NDSU in the playoffs in Fargo, that would be monumental, and everyone should make a huge deal about that.

One single, solitary team has been able to do that in the last 12 years. It would arguably be the biggest win of any FCS program this season, and maybe the last couple seasons.

Middling teams, like you've been suggesting we are, do not go into Fargo in the playoffs and win. That said, I still don't think we have what it takes to beat them, anyway.

 

[Flowtowngriz72]

I kinda tired hearing that we are a top 10 team in the fcs. The fcs is watered down compared to 20 years ago when we're winning the chipper. The maroon glasses need to come off. I follow the griz like it my life. I love the griz but I am not blind either. We topped out 12 years ago and trying to build it back to the winning ways. It will take time.

 

[Paytonlives]

You sirs can;'t grasp the reality of the situation.
Griz football is a top 10 program, there are 120+ FCS teams. How exactly does a team that is better than 92% of their division a failure?

I think the real problem are spoiled fans that seem to think that if UM does not win every game by 40 the suck...

I think you underestimate how blessed we are to have the team, coaches, stadium, local & state wide support that UM does. There is are only 2 teams in our division that has that similar blessing

North Dakota State &
the Kittens

Well, my comparison was just between UM and MSU.

OK you were not clear at all, but in the last 2 years
1-1

Griz win by 19
kittens win by 34

Both blowout wins cats scored late so would have been 29-3 in 2021
UM schedule was harder both years and cats got the easiest playoff draw i ever saw last year.

I just don't like chicken little fans... and your posts are full of feathers

 

[BillingsMafia]

I have always felt with Don Reads, Dennehy or Pflugrads offense the griz had a shot at beating anyone. With Bobby's offense if we can't out physical a team we have no chance of winning. Without the energy of the crowd we have almost no chance of beating the bison in fargo.

I know talented coaches are hard to find but we gotta try even if we get a couple of stitts before a good one comes along. I'm not satisfied with the status quo.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Well, my comparison was just between UM and MSU.

OK you were not clear at all, but in the last 2 years
1-1

Griz win by 19
kittens win by 34

Both blowout wins cats scored late so would have been 29-3 in 2021
UM schedule was harder both years and cats got the easiest playoff draw i ever saw last year.

I just don't like chicken little fans... and your posts are full of feathers

Convenient to only use the last 2 years. And it is more than just the head to head.

 

[kemajic]

OK you were not clear at all, but in the last 2 years
1-1

Griz win by 19
kittens win by 34

Both blowout wins cats scored late so would have been 29-3 in 2021
UM schedule was harder both years and cats got the easiest playoff draw i ever saw last year.

I just don't like chicken little fans... and your posts are full of feathers

Convenient to only use the last 2 years. And it is more than just the head to head.

Good point, we could use the last 35 years. Go for it.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Convenient to only use the last 2 years. And it is more than just the head to head.

Good point, we could use the last 35 years. Go for it.

Kem, I am not sure that your idea would disprove my belief, and would actually make it more visible.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Convenient to only use the last 2 years. And it is more than just the head to head.

Good point, we could use the last 35 years. Go for it.

Keep living in the past, instead of the past decade. Why stop at 35 years, when we could consider the Wild Bill Kelly teams in the discussion?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Good point, we could use the last 35 years. Go for it.

Keep living in the past, instead of the past decade. Why stop at 35 years, when we could consider the Wild Bill Kelly teams in the discussion?

Rosey, could I suggest some edits for your tag line? Better looking wife, more money, and more accomplished kids.

 

[kemajic]

Good point, we could use the last 35 years. Go for it.

Keep living in the past, instead of the past decade. Why stop at 35 years, when we could consider the Wild Bill Kelly teams in the discussion?

It was you whining about the shortness of 2 years. Sure, you want to cherry-pick to justify your narrative. Got it. That's you.

 

[jrifkin48]

This gaslignting 101. Montana has been solid over the last 3 decades. Even when we're down we are still packing the stadium and in the playoffs. Bozeman is good as of late. But like snow in April, they'll melt away.

 

[Bear Spray]

I would argue that if we beat NDSU in the Fargo dome on Saturday that it’s a quite obvious step forward for our football program. Most schools haven’t done it

What about if we get curb stomped like we did in Bozeman?

Then you'll tell us that at least you didn't get curb stomped 3 years in a row like MSU has. UM's on the right track but a lot of fans think you can just say RTD! and expect to win the natty in a year or two The BS conference is completely different than it was in 2000. Way more competitive. Sac, Weber, UM, MSU, Idaho, NAU, Davis, and Cal Poly are all charging forward with great coaches & improvements to facilities. It's a dog fight every game with these teams. I think UM's close to being a great team - top 4 - but I don't believe they're there yet. Beat NDSU & all of the banter will change though!

 

[SoldierGriz]

What about if we get curb stomped like we did in Bozeman?

Then you'll tell us that at least you didn't get curb stomped 3 years in a row like MSU has. UM's on the right track but a lot of fans think you can just say RTD! and expect to win the natty in a year or two The BS conference is completely different than it was in 2000. Way more competitive. Sac, Weber, UM, MSU, Idaho, NAU, Davis, and Cal Poly are all charging forward with great coaches & improvements to facilities. It's a dog fight every game with these teams. I think UM's close to being a great team - top 4 - but I don't believe they're there yet. Beat NDSU & all of the banter will change though!

5 Years....5.

 

[uofmman1122]

What about if we get curb stomped like we did in Bozeman?

Then you'll tell us that at least you didn't get curb stomped 3 years in a row like MSU has. UM's on the right track but a lot of fans think you can just say RTD! and expect to win the natty in a year or two The BS conference is completely different than it was in 2000. Way more competitive. Sac, Weber, UM, MSU, Idaho, NAU, Davis, and Cal Poly are all charging forward with great coaches & improvements to facilities. It's a dog fight every game with these teams. I think UM's close to being a great team - top 4 - but I don't believe they're there yet. Beat NDSU & all of the banter will change though!

I generally agree with your sentiments, but I want to slow you down here a little bit.

Sac and Weber are both going to crash back to earth once their two coaches (arguably the two best in the big sky) inevitably leave their respective programs in the very near future for FBS jobs. Their facilities aren't good and aren't really getting much better. NAU is losing their wonderkid QB and have a staff that hasn't shown they're really any good at all yet. Baldwin is a great coach, but it remains to be seen if he can field a similarly competitive team as he did at EWU when he can't get the non-qualifier kids he used to be able to get at EWU.

The other teams are definitely on the right track, though.

 

[Bear Spray]

Then you'll tell us that at least you didn't get curb stomped 3 years in a row like MSU has. UM's on the right track but a lot of fans think you can just say RTD! and expect to win the natty in a year or two The BS conference is completely different than it was in 2000. Way more competitive. Sac, Weber, UM, MSU, Idaho, NAU, Davis, and Cal Poly are all charging forward with great coaches & improvements to facilities. It's a dog fight every game with these teams. I think UM's close to being a great team - top 4 - but I don't believe they're there yet. Beat NDSU & all of the banter will change though!

I generally agree with your sentiments, but I want to slow you down here a little bit.

Sac and Weber are both going to crash back to earth once their two coaches (arguably the two best in the big sky) inevitably leave their respective programs in the very near future for FBS jobs. Their facilities aren't good and aren't really getting much better. NAU is losing their wonderkid QB and have a staff that hasn't shown they're really any good at all yet. Baldwin is a great coach, but it remains to be seen if he can field a similarly competitive team as he did at EWU when he can't get the non-qualifier kids he used to be able to get at EWU.

The other teams are definitely on the right track, though.

Agree, was pointing out the BS is a dog fight. Wasn’t this competitive during Bobby’s first tour.

 

[uofmman1122]

I generally agree with your sentiments, but I want to slow you down here a little bit.

Sac and Weber are both going to crash back to earth once their two coaches (arguably the two best in the big sky) inevitably leave their respective programs in the very near future for FBS jobs. Their facilities aren't good and aren't really getting much better. NAU is losing their wonderkid QB and have a staff that hasn't shown they're really any good at all yet. Baldwin is a great coach, but it remains to be seen if he can field a similarly competitive team as he did at EWU when he can't get the non-qualifier kids he used to be able to get at EWU.

The other teams are definitely on the right track, though.

Agree, was pointing out the BS is a dog fight. Wasn’t this competitive during Bobby’s first tour.

Absolutely. We were lucky to have more than 2 ranked big sky teams at the end of the year back then. People can call the FCS watered down, but the Big Sky has never been stronger since Boise/Nevada/Idaho left in the 90's.

 

[Bear Spray]

Then you'll tell us that at least you didn't get curb stomped 3 years in a row like MSU has. UM's on the right track but a lot of fans think you can just say RTD! and expect to win the natty in a year or two The BS conference is completely different than it was in 2000. Way more competitive. Sac, Weber, UM, MSU, Idaho, NAU, Davis, and Cal Poly are all charging forward with great coaches & improvements to facilities. It's a dog fight every game with these teams. I think UM's close to being a great team - top 4 - but I don't believe they're there yet. Beat NDSU & all of the banter will change though!

5 Years....5.

Yeah. Recruiting O linemen needs to become a priority. QB development too, vs drop downs/transfers. Choate built a good foundation but couldn’t crack the qb issue. Easy to say, harder to accomplish.

 

[Bear Spray]

Agree, was pointing out the BS is a dog fight. Wasn’t this competitive during Bobby’s first tour.

Absolutely. We were lucky to have more than 2 ranked big sky teams at the end of the year back then. People can call the FCS watered down, but the Big Sky has never been stronger since Boise/Nevada/Idaho left in the 90's.

Here’s to 2 teams from Montana winning big and decisive Saturday.

 

[mthoopsfan]

The main point is that the conference, this year, is much stronger get than it was in the old days. The Griz have had 2.5 weak games, 2 without their no. 2 qb against two top teams. Now, the playoff road is much harder than had we been seeded. As Bobby has said, the road to the championship seems to go through NDSU every year. We’re just playing them a week or two earlier.