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Same ole Stitt different week

grizindabox said:
all you anti-Stitt guys have won me over...looking forward to another 2.5 seasons of mediocrity...I mean if he can't win now with a below average OL and maybe barely average QB and no RB ready to do everything necessary within the offense, the guy will never win....
Right?

I mean, look what Pflu did in 2010 with a team that went to the NC the year before, had several guys that are on NFL rosters today, several All-Conference guys on the O-Line, and one of the best defenses ever?

It's like the same thing. He should be winning NOW!
 
grizindabox said:
all you anti-Stitt guys have won me over...looking forward to another 2.5 seasons of mediocrity...I mean if he can't win now with a below average OL and maybe barely average QB and no RB ready to do everything necessary within the offense, the guy will never win....
I am not anti-Stitt -- I just do not believe the Grizzlies should have lost to Weber State on Saturday. In light of what the team faces in coming weeks, the difference between being 4-2 and being 3-3 is significant. Missing the playoffs at CSM was no big deal, but it is here. Stitt should adjust his offensive strategy to give this team the best chance to win when opportunities arise, especially with a third-string QB coming in during the second half down seven points.
 
goatcreekgriz said:
grizindabox said:
all you anti-Stitt guys have won me over...looking forward to another 2.5 seasons of mediocrity...I mean if he can't win now with a below average OL and maybe barely average QB and no RB ready to do everything necessary within the offense, the guy will never win....
I am not anti-Stitt -- I just do not believe the Grizzlies should have lost to Weber State on Saturday. In light of what the team faces in coming weeks, the difference between being 4-2 and being 3-3 is significant. Missing the playoffs at CSM was no big deal, but it is here. Stitt should adjust his offensive strategy to give this team the best chance to win when opportunities arise, especially with a third-string QB coming in during the second half down seven points.

Goat, this was always a 6-7 win team...just so many didn't want to admit it...the loss won't really matter, this team was/is not a playoff team and definitely not a contender
 
goatcreekgriz said:
grizindabox said:
Also, has anybody even considered that just maybe the Griz are not as good as you thought....
They had enough talent to win against this Weber State team.

maybe, but it sure didn't look like it at several positions...
 
grizindabox said:
Stanley, I not once mentioned dropping football. I asked Soldier a question in reference to several things he has posted...nothing more. Cameo gets it, although I wouldn't want to lose every game. Why is JN not the answer, because he does not pass block well enough...not a difficult thing to see. As for Stitt, it has been six games with 3 different QB's...guess that is enough for several of you, but I am not that quick to judge.

As for Stitt, I think he rolls the dice too often, but he is also working with parts that don't fit what he wants to do. Thinking he should be replaced already is dumb.

But keep up the good work Stanley...you are doing f***[*] awesome....

I appreciated your questions Box. We had a sane, football related discussion that I appreciate. It's ok to disagree. I am cheering like a crazed fan for 6 or 7 wins right now!
 
grizindabox said:
goatcreekgriz said:
grizindabox said:
all you anti-Stitt guys have won me over...looking forward to another 2.5 seasons of mediocrity...I mean if he can't win now with a below average OL and maybe barely average QB and no RB ready to do everything necessary within the offense, the guy will never win....
I am not anti-Stitt -- I just do not believe the Grizzlies should have lost to Weber State on Saturday. In light of what the team faces in coming weeks, the difference between being 4-2 and being 3-3 is significant. Missing the playoffs at CSM was no big deal, but it is here. Stitt should adjust his offensive strategy to give this team the best chance to win when opportunities arise, especially with a third-string QB coming in during the second half down seven points.

Goat, this was always a 6-7 win team...just so many didn't want to admit it...the loss won't really matter, this team was/is not a playoff team and definitely not a contender

Six wins? Not if we can't beat Weber State at home, and continue to forsake points because the plan will work "eventually."
 
grizindabox said:
Joseppy said:
You guys are kidding right? He is bullheaded and his ego dictated passing on those FG's. His long term goals and his short term goal need to mesh, right. Well, had he done what 99.9% of good coaches would have done in that situation, he would have in all probability won that game. Thus, his short term decision would have helped re-inforce his long term goals. Now, how do you think his players are feeling about that. Don't forget that they are students of the game too. He just stuck a caution sign in the minds of his players on the direction he is going. The Cal Poly game was similar on the last drive. Had he done what everyone (including 99%) of other coaches would have done, he would have pinned Poly back inside their ten and made them go another 20-30 yards with little or no time left to get into position to kick the FG. He keeps this up and he will lose those players. You have to be smart as well as arrogant if you want to lead. Players will follow a good leader. That smartness or lack of, is starting to come up for debate. Oh, and those minor adjustments are a big part of his long term goals and those players know it.

That does not even make sense....who said his long term goals and short term goals aren't meshing?

Short term goal---win
Long term goal---win
That is not meshing.
 
grizindabox said:
goatcreekgriz said:
grizindabox said:
Also, has anybody even considered that just maybe the Griz are not as good as you thought....
They had enough talent to win against this Weber State team.

maybe, but it sure didn't look like it at several positions...

Let's start with kicker. Sullivan has missed some, but is generally reliable at the distances where he was not given the chance.
 
fanofzoo said:
grizindabox said:
Joseppy said:
You guys are kidding right? He is bullheaded and his ego dictated passing on those FG's. His long term goals and his short term goal need to mesh, right. Well, had he done what 99.9% of good coaches would have done in that situation, he would have in all probability won that game. Thus, his short term decision would have helped re-inforce his long term goals. Now, how do you think his players are feeling about that. Don't forget that they are students of the game too. He just stuck a caution sign in the minds of his players on the direction he is going. The Cal Poly game was similar on the last drive. Had he done what everyone (including 99%) of other coaches would have done, he would have pinned Poly back inside their ten and made them go another 20-30 yards with little or no time left to get into position to kick the FG. He keeps this up and he will lose those players. You have to be smart as well as arrogant if you want to lead. Players will follow a good leader. That smartness or lack of, is starting to come up for debate. Oh, and those minor adjustments are a big part of his long term goals and those players know it.

That does not even make sense....who said his long term goals and short term goals aren't meshing?

Short term goal---win
Long term goal---win
That is not meshing.

zengriz

-where be you?-
 
fanofzoo said:
grizindabox said:
Joseppy said:
You guys are kidding right? He is bullheaded and his ego dictated passing on those FG's. His long term goals and his short term goal need to mesh, right. Well, had he done what 99.9% of good coaches would have done in that situation, he would have in all probability won that game. Thus, his short term decision would have helped re-inforce his long term goals. Now, how do you think his players are feeling about that. Don't forget that they are students of the game too. He just stuck a caution sign in the minds of his players on the direction he is going. The Cal Poly game was similar on the last drive. Had he done what everyone (including 99%) of other coaches would have done, he would have pinned Poly back inside their ten and made them go another 20-30 yards with little or no time left to get into position to kick the FG. He keeps this up and he will lose those players. You have to be smart as well as arrogant if you want to lead. Players will follow a good leader. That smartness or lack of, is starting to come up for debate. Oh, and those minor adjustments are a big part of his long term goals and those players know it.

That does not even make sense....who said his long term goals and short term goals aren't meshing?

Short term goal---win
Long term goal---win
That is not meshing.

short term goal is win everything you can while putting in your system
long term goal is win everything after you get your system established
what doesn't mesh is people wanting to Stitt to waiver from his system for a little short term success..

anyone that did not think this season would have several bumps in the road was just not being realistic..
 
grizindabox said:
Glendivegriz said:
grizindabox said:
Glendivegriz said:
Had enough talent to be 5-1. Looked lost at liberty.

yeah, except at OL and QB.....
And coach.

maybe coaching kept them in most games.....just a thought
And maybe not. Just a thought too. Maybe we should be 6-0 or 0-6. No way to prove either. The regression is noticeable and decisions Saturday were arguably questionable. You did make a good observation though that the players have had spring and fall camp and six games under their belt. If not now then when? Maybe they aren't talented at all and Mick was really a savant and we were to stupid to recognize it.
 
"Short term goal is win everything you can while putting in your system" -- precisely. If talent at QB (like third-string entering the game in the second half, while behind) and OL are the issue, attempt FGs so you can have a chance to win everything you can. Bumps in the road are expected, and gunslingers will take a few slugs, but winning this game did not require "Stitt to waiver from his system for a little short term success." No way.
 
Glendivegriz said:
grizindabox said:
Glendivegriz said:
grizindabox said:
yeah, except at OL and QB.....
And coach.

maybe coaching kept them in most games.....just a thought
And maybe not. Just a thought too. Maybe we should be 6-0 or 0-6. No way to prove either. The regression is noticeable and decisions Saturday were arguably questionable. You did make a good observation though that the players have had spring and fall camp and six games under their belt. If not now then when? Maybe they aren't talented at all and Mick was really a savant and we were to stupid to recognize it.

What regression....outside of the UNDSU game, they have played pretty much the same...and not a good same...and as for Mick...he did not win a game as head coach of the Griz were they beat a good team, and lost some against teams that weren't very good...dude was far from a savant...
 
goatcreekgriz said:
"Short term goal is win everything you can while putting in your system" -- precisely. If talent at QB (like third-string entering the game in the second half, while behind) and OL are the issue, attempt FGs so you can have a chance to win everything you can. Bumps in the road are expected, and gunslingers will take a few slugs, but winning this game did not require "Stitt to waiver from his system for a little short term success." No way.

They had a chance to win the game even w/o the FG attempts....think about it....
 
grizindabox said:
fanofzoo said:
grizindabox said:
Joseppy said:
You guys are kidding right? He is bullheaded and his ego dictated passing on those FG's. His long term goals and his short term goal need to mesh, right. Well, had he done what 99.9% of good coaches would have done in that situation, he would have in all probability won that game. Thus, his short term decision would have helped re-inforce his long term goals. Now, how do you think his players are feeling about that. Don't forget that they are students of the game too. He just stuck a caution sign in the minds of his players on the direction he is going. The Cal Poly game was similar on the last drive. Had he done what everyone (including 99%) of other coaches would have done, he would have pinned Poly back inside their ten and made them go another 20-30 yards with little or no time left to get into position to kick the FG. He keeps this up and he will lose those players. You have to be smart as well as arrogant if you want to lead. Players will follow a good leader. That smartness or lack of, is starting to come up for debate. Oh, and those minor adjustments are a big part of his long term goals and those players know it.

That does not even make sense....who said his long term goals and short term goals aren't meshing?

Short term goal---win
Long term goal---win
That is not meshing.

short term goal is win everything you can while putting in your system
long term goal is win everything after you get your system established
what doesn't mesh is people wanting to Stitt to waiver from his system for a little short term success..

anyone that did not think this season would have several bumps in the road was just not being realistic..

contradiction on our hands
short term---take points and win while building system because we don't lose at our house
long term---we agree
 
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