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Saints taking on big (Sky) boys

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Saints taking on big (Sky) boys

The Carroll College football program of coach Mike Van Diest has always been shooting for the moon and this season the Saints are looking to the Big Sky.

It was announced Tuesday that Carroll, the NAIA power with six national championships to its credit, will take on Portland State of the Big Sky Conference Sept. 1 in a nonconference game.

"We're stepping up and that's something we're certainly excited about," said Van Diest, who is 157-22 in 13 seasons with the Saints. "All of our players, at one time or another, have dreamed of playing in the Big Sky or higher. It's all about trying to be the best they can be."

While the Saints have played NCAA Division II schools before, they've never met a team from the Football Championship Subdivision (formerly NCAA I-AA). Portland State was 7-4 last season in the Big Sky, which of course includes the Montana Grizzlies and Montana State Bobcats.

NCAA rules allow for 63 full scholarships at the FCS level. Carroll is able to offer the NAIA maximum of 24 scholarships, but no full rides.

"It's great for our conference," said Van Diest. "Both Western and Tech have stepped up and played these types of teams before, and I think this is a big plus not only for Carroll College but our conference."

Bruce Parker, Carroll's athletic director, said it was a huge day for the Helena school.

"I can't tell you how many times we've tried to play the Big Sky schools, not that we have anything to prove but to provide a new challenge for our program," said Parker. "We think this will be a great opportunity for our team."

Parker said the Saints are assured of the largest payday in school history. Several years ago, Carroll was slated to play Idaho State and received a $25,000 buyout when the Bengals opted to face another opponent instead. It's believed that Portland State has guaranteed Carroll $45,000 or more.

"We know what lies ahead of us," said Van Diest. "We know the challenges. We'll start worrying about that on Aug. 26."

The Saints open the Frontier Conference slate Aug. 25 at Montana State-Northern in Havre.

The revamped Frontier is now an eight-team conference that stretches from central North Dakota to western Oregon. The new members are Southern Oregon in Ashland, and Dickinson (N.D.) State. It's a nine-hour drive east from Helena to Dickinson. It's about a 16-hour trip the other direction from Montana's Capital City to Ashland.

"It gives us a little more exposure, with two teams now in Oregon and one in North Dakota," Van Diest said. "We'll be in three time zones almost ... It makes us a little bit stronger, and now we'll get two (national) raters at the NAIA level instead of one."

For many years, the Frontier has been a league where teams play each other twice in the regular season. Now the league will feature two divisions, an East and West. Teams will play each team in its division twice and each team in the other division once.

The East Division includes Carroll, MSU-Northern, Rocky Mountain and Dickinson State. The West includes Montana Tech, Montana Western, Eastern Oregon and Southern Oregon.

To play their normal 10-game regular-season schedules, then, it's necessary to schedule just one nonleague game. The Saints, 13-2 overall last year and winners of 13 consecutive Frontier championships, will play in Portland at a time to be determined.

"There hasn't been a lot of people standing in line to schedule us for nonconference games," said Parker, who added he hoped to secure a deal to televise the Portland State game in the Treasure State.

It's not unheard of for an NAIA team to defeat an FCS opponent. Last year, Lindenwood knocked off Northern Colorado of the Big Sky, and two years ago, Sioux Falls College defeated North Dakota, which joins the Big Sky this fall.

"I'd never say we're going to go out there to Portland and win for sure," Parker said. "But I know we're going to go out and compete. Every single Mike Van Diest team always competes hard for 60 minutes."
 
UofMGrizFan said:
"I can't tell you how many times we've tried to play the Big Sky schools, not that we have anything to prove but to provide a new challenge for our program," said Parker. "We think this will be a great opportunity for our team."
Interesting
 
I have no doubt that Carroll will play hard for 60 minutes, but I just don't think they will hang close with PSU. It's a great opportunity for an NAIA powerhouse to see how it stacks up against a solid FCS school but I'm afraid it will be a long bus ride back to Helena. The great thing about sports though, especially at the high school and collegiate levels, is that the big upsets can (and occasionally do) happen.
 
This is going to end badly.

I lived in Helena for two years, and I cannot tell you sick and tired I got of hearing about this. I had two people in my office (whose sons played for Carroll) that were convinced they would give the Griz a run. The constantly badgered me about the Griz “ducking” that game.
 
'68griz said:
Div. I schools should never play NAIA schools. End of discussion.

So say you, 68? Many FCS bottom feeders are NAIA quality. It's just that nobody wants to admit it.
 
Silvertip said:
'68griz said:
Div. I schools should never play NAIA schools. End of discussion.

So say you, 68? Many FCS bottom feeders are NAIA quality. It's just that nobody wants to admit it.


That’s a massive stretch, and nothing more than your “move up” agenda showing through. Just my opinion.
 
Well if you think about it Northern Colorado lost to a NAIA school last year. Even though NC was about the worst FCS team EVER! It shows it can happen. But I think Portland State, with their athletes and depth, will beat Carroll handily. Might be with 10 pts at halftime but will end up losing by at least 35. If they played the Griz they would lose by about 55 because the Griz would want to prove a point.
 
I don't think it's a stretch to say that the top NAIA schools could compete with the Non-scholarship conferences in FCS. I think Carroll would probably match up pretty damn well with Valpo for example.

That said, Carroll will get to experience something they haven't in some time: A serious beat-down.
 
Pioneer = terrible
SWAC = terrible
MEAC = terrible
OVC = not good
NEC = not good
Ivy = who knows

His statement wasn't off base by much (if any)
 
University of San Diego 42 Asuza Pacific (NAIA) 40 USD was ranked in the top 25 of FCS at the end of the season. Carroll is 5-0 lifetime against Asuza. University of Sioux Falls went into Grand Forks a couple years ago and beat UND 27-13. Carroll is 4-2 against USF. Lindenwood beat No Colo by 1 last year in Greeley, Carroll is 1-1 lifetime against Lindenwood. so to say FCS and NAIA should never play is a stupid statement.

just to be clear, i am not saying Caroll College will beat PSU but give Mike Van Diest and Nick Howlett (who is rumored to be in the running for the U of South Dakota OC job) all summer to prepare for PSU, and the Vikes shouldnt look past CC. the biggest problem Carroll will have is matching up against PSU size in the trenches, carroll will have to rotate alot of players in and out. speed at the skill positions will be another concern but MVD will game plan and reletively close game would not surprise me.... early prediction PSU 31 Carroll 14. all bets are off if Howlett gets the USD offensive coordinator job.
 
I heard Howlett was an OC candidate for the Griz....is that true?? And why the "former" Griz fan??
 
Raider said:
Silvertip said:
'68griz said:
Div. I schools should never play NAIA schools. End of discussion.

So say you, 68? Many FCS bottom feeders are NAIA quality. It's just that nobody wants to admit it.


That’s a massive stretch, and nothing more than your “move up” agenda showing through. Just my opinion.

"Move up?" Sorry the dots don't connect. Do you suppose PeeWee Herman was "the other shooter" in Dallas?
 
PSU will hang 60 on Carroll and it won't be any kind of close. For PSU to schedule a game like this is absurd, there is scheduling down and playing a D2, but to schedule down and play a NAIA? Are you f'ing kidding me?? PSU should be embarrassed.
 
info: i have heard the howlett for the griz OC job too but the USD job makes more sense with the Casey Glenn (joe glenn's son) connection to Carroll College. the fact that the Griz dont recruit the State of Montana much anymore has soured me on the UM football - thus the name formergrizfan.
 
formergrizfan said:
info: i have heard the howlett for the griz OC job too but the USD job makes more sense with the Casey Glenn (joe glenn's son) connection to Carroll College. the fact that the Griz dont recruit the State of Montana much anymore has soured me on the UM football - thus the name formergrizfan.
How the f*ck did you come to the conclusion that the Griz don't recruit the state of Montana anymore? Are you that stupid to think we could sign 20 Montana kids and still be competitive????? This ain't NAIA bud.
 
Mr. Titleist: i'll take the 60 points and Carroll College. you can pm me so i can give my name and address where you can send the check. your ignorance in the difference levels of college football is laughable. its like some of you griz fans (Mr. Titleist) cant stand the national attention carroll has gotten over the last few years. again, i'm nots saying carroll will beat PSU but the final score will surprise non-believers like Mr. Titliest. ask Central Washington which is annually ranked in Div II top 25 how good carroll college is? carroll won 2-3 in the early 2000's
 
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