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[Griz Addict]

Lost me at "Humphrey looked good most of the game" He looked good on about 3 drives. Other than that he was horrible. Even ask the stats. His legs were the only positive of his.

 

[#15 Fan]

we are talking an eight or nine hour swing, and that is for start the game. maybe the defense would have faced less plays had the offense been awake.

just throwing out a possibility based on modern science. sure, it is descriptive science, but what we all need sometimes is physical reality described to us, so we can make the best decisions, as we live beyond the computer chip.

never mind. i thought they should have prepared better for a late night game. i don't know the circumstances around doing so, i.e. night classes, that made hauck decide against it. or, maybe he is like some posters here, who think a militaristic approach, albeit without the brains the military has, is the best option.

this game started at 8:30'sh pm Washington game 6 PM and WIU 6PM all Mountain time no? I doubt 2.5 hours is the going to make a difference.

This argument reminds me of parents who bitch about daylight saving time screwing with their kids' sleep schedule during school,, but also keep their kids up later at night & let them sleep in on weekends. These kids are 18-23 years old, I doubt the late game had a huge effect on them. The defense was gassed because the offense struggled to sustain a lot of drives throughout the night. We all knew we were going to lean on that D, and unfortunately the offense couldn't produce when they needed to. Good thing it's only our 4th game and I still say we win/tie as conference champs, EWU won't get passed everyone, they'll stumble somewhere (scats or Weber is my guess)

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Lost me at "Humphrey looked good most of the game" He looked good on about 3 drives. Other than that he was horrible. Even ask the stats. His legs were the only positive of his.

And yet he had 2 TDs and 2 INTs, same as EWU’s QB. Only when we got picked it was the game. When they got picked we gave it back four plays later.

 

[uofmman1122]

Your comments on Cam and Akem are interesting. I will say on Cams second interception, I had a front row seat for that and I don’t think Akem knew what the play was. He was looking over at the sideline with his arms out confused. When that happens you need to call a timeout, especially if the play is designed to go to Akem. Same thing with the blocked field goal. Bobby said they didn’t know what the play call is. You need to call a timeout, that’s bad coaching on Haucks part. We can’t afford to have that.

I might be wrong, but I believe Andrew Schmidt on twitter pointed out that the TEs fired upfield on the play, which made him think they were trying to fake it, or at least that some of the Griz thought it was supposed to be a fake.

 

[CFallsGriz]

I think #1 is pretty correct, but thought I would add this. The Griz bussed over to Cheney and didn’t fly. Even though each player had 2 seats, being in a cramped bus is exhausting and can accelerate fatigue. Even when bussed the day before.

Dude. It's maybe a three and a half hour drive. For real man, that's a non-factor ...

 

[AZGrizFan]

You identified something important in point 1 and probably was a factor regarding what appeared to be general fatigue of the players.

That reminds me of the UM playoff game against Coastal Carolina whose coach supplied his players with heaters, hot soup, and good cold weather gear, while, Hauck let the Griz show how tough they were while wearing the usual weather gear not geared for the frigid weather. I was in South Carolina and believe me, no one in Dixie was impressed by the Griz show of toughness.

I believe that was Delaney.

 

[kemajic]

That reminds me of the UM playoff game against Coastal Carolina whose coach supplied his players with heaters, hot soup, and good cold weather gear, while, Hauck let the Griz show how tough they were while wearing the usual weather gear not geared for the frigid weather. I was in South Carolina and believe me, no one in Dixie was impressed by the Griz show of toughness.

I believe that was Delaney.

It was for sure, 2013. But an opportunity for an anti-Haucker even if it was 5 hears before he came back. Not sure it was Delaney's idea or that he imposed it; I think we had some players who thought that would be a cool show of toughness to the Southerners. It's easier to blame coaches than players.

 

[kemajic]

I think #1 is pretty correct, but thought I would add this. The Griz bussed over to Cheney and didn’t fly. Even though each player had 2 seats, being in a cramped bus is exhausting and can accelerate fatigue. Even when bussed the day before.

Dude. It's maybe a three and a half hour drive. For real man, that's a non-factor ...

Couldn't get there faster flying. As funny as using the color of the turf as an excuse,

 

[GrizLA]

I believe that was Delaney.

It was for sure, 2013. But an opportunity for an anti-Haucker even if it was 5 hears before he came back. Not sure it was Delaney's idea or that he imposed it; I think we had some players who thought that would be a cool show of toughness to the Southerners. It's easier to blame coaches than players.

"Anti-Haucker?" Jesus, it's a football game...who is anti anything?It is a game. I don't really care who coaches or doesn't.

 

[retiredpopo]

I believe that was Delaney.

It was for sure, 2013. But an opportunity for an anti-Haucker even if it was 5 hears before he came back. Not sure it was Delaney's idea or that he imposed it; I think we had some players who thought that would be a cool show of toughness to the Southerners. It's easier to blame coaches than players.

It was player’s choice as not all were bare armed. I was there watching earl warm ups and some players were bundled up others not.

 

[Griz til I die]

Your comments on Cam and Akem are interesting. I will say on Cams second interception, I had a front row seat for that and I don’t think Akem knew what the play was. He was looking over at the sideline with his arms out confused. When that happens you need to call a timeout, especially if the play is designed to go to Akem. Same thing with the blocked field goal. Bobby said they didn’t know what the play call is. You need to call a timeout, that’s bad coaching on Haucks part. We can’t afford to have that.

I might be wrong, but I believe Andrew Schmidt on twitter pointed out that the TEs fired upfield on the play, which made him think they were trying to fake it, or at least that some of the Griz thought it was supposed to be a fake.

Okay, well again if not everybody knows what the play call is then the coach needs to call a timeout. That was a big play in the game and ended up being the turning point. That can't happen.

 

[retiredpopo]

I might be wrong, but I believe Andrew Schmidt on twitter pointed out that the TEs fired upfield on the play, which made him think they were trying to fake it, or at least that some of the Griz thought it was supposed to be a fake.

Okay, well again if not everybody knows what the play call is then the coach needs to call a timeout. That was a big play in the game and ended up being the turning point. That can't happen.

again Coach said it was his fault in the post game presser. He said it was his fault...Maybe go get the pitch forks out and surround his house maybe put a for sale sign up in his yard...Best coach Griz have had ever and his record shows it..he does not make many mistakes but unlike Stitt he owns them...

 

[Mousegriz]

I might be wrong, but I believe Andrew Schmidt on twitter pointed out that the TEs fired upfield on the play, which made him think they were trying to fake it, or at least that some of the Griz thought it was supposed to be a fake.

Okay, well again if not everybody knows what the play call is then the coach needs to call a timeout. That was a big play in the game and ended up being the turning point. That can't happen.

"Saved" that TO so EWU couldn't run 30 - 40 seconds off on each play before their final FG? Wrong!

"Saved" that TO so Griz could use it before the last play with the game clock stopped and 4 seconds left? Yes!!

 

[Griz til I die]

Okay, well again if not everybody knows what the play call is then the coach needs to call a timeout. That was a big play in the game and ended up being the turning point. That can't happen.

again Coach said it was his fault in the post game presser. He said it was his fault...Maybe go get the pitch forks out and surround his house maybe put a for sale sign up in his yard...Best coach Griz have had ever and his record shows it..he does not make many mistakes but unlike Stitt he owns them...

Yes I know he owned up to it and I agree he is the best coach the Griz have ever had, but still even he wasn't perfect on Saturday and that was a big moment and he failed by not calling a timeout there. If we do call a timeout there, odds are we make the field goal or potentially even consider going for it there and don't give Eastern a short field and momentum. I realize he wanted to keep all 3 timeouts for the late stages of the 4th quarter but if we correctly convert the field goal there, maybe it doesn't come down to the final play of the game. You can never let your team go out there and not know what the play call is, you always use a timeout in that situation.

 

[Walkon79]

so i finally watched the whole game. i sometimes view things a little differently than the "rtd" crowd, so if you dislike the character i play on egriz, please, change channels. anyway, here is my analysis, with more suggestions than criticism:

1) tiredness. what time of day do the griz players usually get up for 'conditioning', practice, or whatever? i've always read that under hauck, the day starts very early, i.e. 5 am, maybe 6 am? that is great, but this game was played 14 hr or 15 hr after the player's circadian clocks started the day, which, in addition to being students and the energy that requires, probably means the game did not start too long before bedtime. i read that ewu had been practicing at night. that was a smart move on their part, or really, just a common sense move. i read the griz stayed with the same schedule as always, i.e. start early, etc... immediate advantage to ewu. study after study after study has shown the time of day affects performance, such that if you are used to doing something at a certain time (playing football), then you perform better at that time than if you had started earlier or later than usual. my conclusion is that the griz should have had multiple practices last week that started at 8:30 pm or later, 8:30 pm being the time the game began for the griz, circadian rhythm time. not taking that into account would be like not preparing ways to keep warm in sub-zero weather against a team from the south east, with players not used to the cold. biologically, it doesn't make sense. if you are going to have to perform your best relatively late at night, try to get your body prepared for it, by practicing at that time.

2) humphrey looked pretty good most of the game, but obviously was pressing in the fourth quarter. the way they treated his ankle seemed like a break, or at minimum a high ankle sprain. but who knows. at least the griz have dixie state up next, to give him some time to heal.

3) the offense looked tired in the fourth quarter. the defense looked tired in the fourth quarter. see point number 1.

4) it appears that a lot of the throws to akem are high. i presume this is because the griz qb's want to use his height advantage, but he is a receiver with multiple strengths, and the griz seem to just focus on one, especially near the end zone. also, he doesn't seem to have a great chemistry with humphrey on the field. they might be best friends off the field, but their timing seems off to me.

5) five is basically a continuation of four. akem seems under-used. the 'throw it high and he'll out jump everybody' strategy is great, but not if it is the only strategy to get him the ball, because everybody knows what is going to happen. to sum this point up, use akem a lot more, because he might not have the best hands on the team, but he might have the best overall skill set to outplay defenses at multiple positions. line him up at tight end, in the slot, in the backfield, or wherever. and don't always throw him passes you think he'll catch by being tall. it creates an easy defensive strategy against him, and bogs down the griz offense.

6) the backup qb. the backup qb is often the fan favorite as the best qb on the team, but... i don't know, as i haven't seen enough of brown to really know if he is better than humphrey, worse, or whatever. i thought he did ok in his few plays. plus, the kid has a beard, something i could never pull off at age 20 or whatever. so he's got that going.

7) regarding 6), the griz are on their 4th or 5th string running back, early in the season. does hauck's scheme put running backs at risk for injury? and who is next if both humphrey and brown are out? i don't know. the griz are only four games in to the season, and have apparently lost five of those who play the positions that get much of the attention of the fans. will graves go back to being a running back? i would probably be ok with that.

8) i'll end with eight, because in mandarin it sounds just like the word for 'fortune'. i hope the griz will have good fortune in the future, but it seems like other coaches have caught on to what they are up to in hauck's fourth year, with the third year free for creating game plans, recruiting and developing players, etc...presumably hauck et al will have caught on to whatever changes other coaches are trying in order to help their teams win more games. they probably have done so.

what did i miss, aside from probably most every thing? i know the griz already won a couple 'night' games, but those began during the day, and didn't end past midnight, montana time, like this one did.

Does Hauck's scheme put running backs at risk for injury? Playing football puts running backs at risk for injury. Jesus F. Christ dude.

 

[Great Day To Be An Eagle]

As a casual observer, I thought I saw EWU playing at the same time of night as the griz. Maybe I missed something.

:lol:

 

[PDXGrizzly]

As a casual observer, I thought I saw EWU playing at the same time of night as the griz. Maybe I missed something.

:lol:

Agreed. It’s kind of a silly argument. The simple and hard truth is that EWU made more plays when it mattered than Montana did. The Griz did not execute and the results are plain to see. Hats off to both teams. It was a fight straight to the end. Until next time, eags…

 

[argh!]

Does Hauck's scheme put running backs at risk for injury? Playing football puts running backs at risk for injury. Jesus F. Christ dude.

it was sarcasm. no wonder you are still a walkon.

 

[argh!]

:lol:

Agreed. It’s kind of a silly argument. The simple and hard truth is that EWU made more plays when it mattered than Montana did. The Griz did not execute and the results are plain to see. Hats off to both teams. It was a fight straight to the end. Until next time, eags…

maybe a little silly, but ewu apparently was silly enough to practice at night a couple times before the game. also, you did see the title of this thread? i knew some of my points were debatable, and that i'd probably get a lot of crap from the geniuses of egriz, who already know everything, and don't think considering different ideas to be worth their time. especially not after 8:30 pm, when they are already loaded.

 

[ilovethecats]

Agreed. It’s kind of a silly argument. The simple and hard truth is that EWU made more plays when it mattered than Montana did. The Griz did not execute and the results are plain to see. Hats off to both teams. It was a fight straight to the end. Until next time, eags…

maybe a little silly, but ewu apparently was silly enough to practice at night a couple times before the game. also, you did see the title of this thread? i knew some of my points were debatable, and that i'd probably get a lot of crap from the geniuses of egriz, who already know everything, and don't think considering different ideas to be worth their time. especially not after 8:30 pm, when they are already loaded.

If Hauck thought in any way the later kickoff would have impacted the game; wouldn't he have just practiced later at night too? :?