Sac v bubs

[Wolf777]

Oh, sorry, I didn't know you were seriously questioning that.

Level Price Jr.
Danny Uluilakepa
Simeon Woodard
Caden Dowler

Zack Black - DL, out for the season

And no, backups are not better, but usually they're just as good. That's how a Vigen program rolls.

Man you guys should really get that on a bumper sticker for all university sponsored vehicles so the next time a coach gets behind the wheel drunk, the cops don't need to even waste their time.

 

[EverettGriz]

I just don't get the Colter hate.

Absolutely no hate at all. He's an awesome dude.

Just no respect as a journalist. Because that job ain't a popularity contest.

 

[Cledus]

I know Gillman is the best RB in the country but 250 yards on 12 carries? That's some serious juice. That would be half the yards he has on the year so far in one game with just 12 touches. Incredible. Is MSU OL just that much better?

Gillman has more rushing yards this season than any Cat RB.

Seriously, why don't you even put a pinky finger of effort into verifying any claim you make?

As of this writing, MSU has 1,172 more rushing yards than um on one fewer carry. Does that have anything to do with spreading out touches to several people, or do you think there's a different reason? What does your brain tell you?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Gillman has more rushing yards this season than any Cat RB.

Seriously, why don't you even put a pinky finger of effort into verifying any claim you make?

As of this writing, MSU has 1,172 more rushing yards than um on one fewer carry. Does that have anything to do with spreading out touches to several people, or do you think there's a different reason? What does your brain tell you?

What's wrong with his statement? Gillman has more rushing yards than ANY 'Scat RB. That is a true statement. 100% verified by your own post.

 

[Cledus]

Seriously, why don't you even put a pinky finger of effort into verifying any claim you make?

As of this writing, MSU has 1,172 more rushing yards than um on one fewer carry. Does that have anything to do with spreading out touches to several people, or do you think there's a different reason? What does your brain tell you?

What's wrong with his statement? Gillman has more rushing yards than ANY 'Scat RB. That is a true statement. 100% verified by your own post.

Chambers is a running back who takes snaps and on occasion throws the ball. Even then, I can concede your point though I disagree with it. He's using a technicality to misrepresent the issue.

Having said that, how do you think the individual runner averages would change if MSU utilized, say, three fewer runners?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I just don't get the Colter hate.

Absolutely no hate at all. He's an awesome dude.

Just no respect as a journalist. Because that job ain't a popularity contest.

Like I said, I don't get it.

 

[Cledus]

Seriously, why don't you even put a pinky finger of effort into verifying any claim you make?

As of this writing, MSU has 1,172 more rushing yards than um on one fewer carry. Does that have anything to do with spreading out touches to several people, or do you think there's a different reason? What does your brain tell you?

What's wrong with his statement? Gillman has more rushing yards than ANY 'Scat RB. That is a true statement. 100% verified by your own post.

Here we go, filtered for conference only. Sorry that it excludes your DII game that PR was including in his flex. Crazy that you've got to scroll down to #11 to find this awesome Grizzlies back.

 

[PTGrizzly]

Even for you that's a stretch. MSU averages 181 yards per game throwing the ball. UM? 186. SDSU for comparison (to MSU) is at 204. So I get it, MSU runs the ball too much for your taste & should cut back to UM's paltry 158 yards per game so they're not one dimensional. Brilliant. I have a better idea. How about UM finds a way to run the damn football? MSU runs for 325. Try to keep up.

Given that UM finally settled on a QB, i think the stats will be dramatically different come the end of the season. Everyone knows what they get with MSU. Not so much with the Griz. For a team with two QB’s who have been in place multiple season and supposedly the best offensive line in the conference - Cats should have way better passing yards. Exactly why they cannot beat SDSU. Look at the Idaho game. U of M had 178 passing to 156 rushing. BALANCE. Try to keep up. Let’s see what MSU ends up with.

I’ve always found this argument interesting, because I don’t really care how an offense gets yards, as long as it does. Obviously have to keep the defenses honest, and portray a passing or rushing threat, but if running 80% of the time or passing 80% of the time is working, why be balanced for the sake of being balanced?

So I’ll ask you this. MSU against Sac passed for 120 yards and ran for 320. As you mention, UM against Idaho had 178 passing and 156 rushing. Clearly UM, yard wise, more balanced. Which result would you rather have? Personally, I’d take more yards, and more run yardage. If you can control the clock, and be efficient, generally you win more than you lose.

 

[PTGrizzly]

Absolutely no hate at all. He's an awesome dude.

Just no respect as a journalist. Because that job ain't a popularity contest.

Like I said, I don't get it.

Griz fans and Cat fans think Colter is biased towards the other team. Generally a sign a person is right in the middle.

 

[Cledus]

Given that UM finally settled on a QB, i think the stats will be dramatically different come the end of the season. Everyone knows what they get with MSU. Not so much with the Griz. For a team with two QB’s who have been in place multiple season and supposedly the best offensive line in the conference - Cats should have way better passing yards. Exactly why they cannot beat SDSU. Look at the Idaho game. U of M had 178 passing to 156 rushing. BALANCE. Try to keep up. Let’s see what MSU ends up with.

I’ve always found this argument interesting, because I don’t really care how an offense gets yards, as long as it does. Obviously have to keep the defenses honest, and portray a passing or rushing threat, but if running 80% of the time or passing 80% of the time is working, why be balanced for the sake of being balanced?

So I’ll ask you this. MSU against Sac passed for 120 yards and ran for 320. As you mention, UM against Idaho had 178 passing and 156 rushing. Clearly UM, yard wise, more balanced. Which result would you rather have? Personally, I’d take more yards, and more run yardage. If you can control the clock, and be efficient, generally you win more than you lose.

Depends on how you define balanced. I believe that balanced means you can run and pass with equal proficiency. This is how coaches view balance. The way the word is used, and what most people interpret, is that balance means you're getting 50% of your yards passing and 50% from running.

If a defense sells out to stop the run, and they actually do, but you keep completing passes does that actually mean you're not a balanced offense? I don't think so. You're just doing what's easy because it's working and the defense is making itself one dimensional.

 

[Bear Spray]

Oh, sorry, I didn't know you were seriously questioning that.

Level Price Jr.
Danny Uluilakepa
Simeon Woodard
Caden Dowler

Zack Black - DL, out for the season

And no, backups are not better, but usually they're just as good. That's how a Vigen program rolls.

So the middle LB, both safeties, a DL, and a corner? No wonder you guys sound so nervous.

What would “two hundo rushing“ yards of Bobbyball look like?

A 14 to 24 point loss for Bobby. Cats will run for 300.

 

[AZGrizFan]

What's wrong with his statement? Gillman has more rushing yards than ANY 'Scat RB. That is a true statement. 100% verified by your own post.

Here we go, filtered for conference only. Sorry that it excludes your DII game that PR was including in his flex. Crazy that you've got to scroll down to #11 to find this awesome Grizzlies back.

He said "this season". He didn't say "this conference season" or "conference games only". This season clearly means ALL games. He was 100% correct. Put down the shovel.

 

[Cledus]

Here we go, filtered for conference only. Sorry that it excludes your DII game that PR was including in his flex. Crazy that you've got to scroll down to #11 to find this awesome Grizzlies back.

He said "this season". He didn't say "this conference season" or "conference games only". This season clearly means ALL games. He was 100% correct. Put down the shovel.

He's making his case exactly the way lawyers do. Lying by omission. Resorting to strawmen. Leaving out salient facts that would influence the judgment of a reasonable person.

 

[AZGrizFan]

He said "this season". He didn't say "this conference season" or "conference games only". This season clearly means ALL games. He was 100% correct. Put down the shovel.

He's making his case exactly the way lawyers do. Lying by omission. Resorting to strawmen. Leaving out salient facts that would influence the judgment of a reasonable person.

And you are ASSuming a boatload of "facts" that he never stipulated. He said "this season". YOU are the one who's twisting his statement to fit YOUR narrative. Because HIS statement was correct, YOU felt the need to create an alternate narrative that fit YOUR criteria...

 

[EverettGriz]

Absolutely no hate at all. He's an awesome dude.

Just no respect as a journalist. Because that job ain't a popularity contest.

Like I said, I don't get it.

Well, my apologies, but I can help you no further.

 

[MTCowpoke]

Oh, sorry, I didn't know you were seriously questioning that.

Level Price Jr.
Danny Uluilakepa
Simeon Woodard
Caden Dowler

Zack Black - DL, out for the season

And no, backups are not better, but usually they're just as good. That's how a Vigen program rolls.

So the middle LB, both safeties, a DL, and a corner? No wonder you guys sound so nervous.

What would “two hundo rushing“ yards of Bobbyball look like?

Not sure anyone remembers that far back. You'd probably have to break out the VHS to watch Lex Hillyard film to see 200 rushing yards of bobby ball.

 

[mthoopsfan]

He's making his case exactly the way lawyers do. Lying by omission. Resorting to strawmen. Leaving out salient facts that would influence the judgment of a reasonable person.

And you are ASSuming a boatload of "facts" that he never stipulated. He said "this season". YOU are the one who's twisting his statement to fit YOUR narrative. Because HIS statement was correct, YOU felt the need to create an alternate narrative that fit YOUR criteria...

He can't refute the assertion that the Griz running backs are better than the Cats' running backs, so he brings up stats that aren't relevant, or very relevant, to the discussion.

Are they bigger? No. Are they faster? I don't think so, but I'd happy to see info on how fast they are or ardent? Do they cut better? Not that I've seen. Do they pick up shortage on their own? Do they score a lot of TD's? Doesn't show that way in the stats? Are they hurt a lot? It looks like way. Are they durable? Nope. Do they catch the ball/passes? Do they block well? Do they take care of the ball? I don't believe either Gillard or Ostmo has lost a fumble this season, and there is only 1 rb fumble, is my recollection.

Do they have a running back nominee for frosh of the year? Nope.

Yes, in a top running attack with a good o-line and scheme for running, they pick up good yardage and have high or fairly high averages per carry? Is that due to the good running attack, scheme and line? I think so. Many others on egriz seem to agree.

So, he/they want to use season stats, which include Cat games against a bunch of cupcakes and Griz games when the O-line and O weren't playing nearly as well as they have in the last 3 games?

Would Gillman and Ostmo run wild in the Cat offense? Gillman certainly would. Probably Ostmo too. Probably the other 2 UM backs too. Would the Cats' backs do much in the Griz offense? I doubt it.

 

[81Hog]

You’re in over your head. For a guy who regularly implies people are stupid, you might want to ensure you know what you’re talking about before referring to people as “felons”.

I’ll help you out: The offense you describe — fleeing the scene of an accident in which there is property damage over $1,000 — is NOT a felony. Look up Montana’s Uniform Accident Reporting Act.

Perhaps it's not a felony because msu hid evidence, (although it certainly outta be) but he's a bub coach and we're WAAC so who cares if he was completely poop faced, climbed behind the wheel,caused a collision, called a subordinate to hide evidence, drove another vehicle while poop faced, got pulled over, refused field tests, and puked all over medical professionals. He's a top notch bub who could help us win a game!!!!! WAAC!!!!










You really wanna continue this discussion? Cause DAMN, dude. You're doin the bubs no favors if you do.

I’m not concerned with your opinions of “the bubs” or anything else. Your respect for truth, desire for accuracy, and ability to engage in nuanced thought have not proven satisfactory. I am concerned with your referring to someone as a “felon”, as if it’s a fact.

Perhaps you can redeem yourself: Under Montana law, what kind of evidence would MSU have hidden for the imagined felony offense to be charged as a misdemeanor? And it seems you’re saying the coach accused of the accident reporting violation vomited on medical folks. If that is what you’re saying, do you have a source for that information?

 

[garizzalies]

Absolutely no hate at all. He's an awesome dude.

Just no respect as a journalist. Because that job ain't a popularity contest.

Like I said, I don't get it.

What’s not to get? Just see the look on BH’s face whenever the so-called journalist asks one of his boneheaded questions. We even have a name for the look. “Left-handed constipation” :lol:

 

[bigsky33]

Given that UM finally settled on a QB, i think the stats will be dramatically different come the end of the season. Everyone knows what they get with MSU. Not so much with the Griz. For a team with two QB’s who have been in place multiple season and supposedly the best offensive line in the conference - Cats should have way better passing yards. Exactly why they cannot beat SDSU. Look at the Idaho game. U of M had 178 passing to 156 rushing. BALANCE. Try to keep up. Let’s see what MSU ends up with.

I’ve always found this argument interesting, because I don’t really care how an offense gets yards, as long as it does. Obviously have to keep the defenses honest, and portray a passing or rushing threat, but if running 80% of the time or passing 80% of the time is working, why be balanced for the sake of being balanced?

So I’ll ask you this. MSU against Sac passed for 120 yards and ran for 320. As you mention, UM against Idaho had 178 passing and 156 rushing. Clearly UM, yard wise, more balanced. Which result would you rather have? Personally, I’d take more yards, and more run yardage. If you can control the clock, and be efficient, generally you win more than you lose.

I agree PT. What makes the Cat offense impressive is that every team they play knows they are not balanced and that they are going to run the ball. The opposition prepares all week to stop the Cat run game and they still cannot. The Cats using multiple RBs and two good running QBs. And, it is not just the good Cat OL but their WRs and TEs are all good blockers. Come the second half the opposition starts wearing down and meanwhile the Cats are eating up the clock. I think the Cat team will just get even better as now they have injured WRs back. The passing game is going to get stronger. The proof is in the results. Over 700yds more than the second ranked BSC offense and 1100 yds better than the Griz offense with one less carry than them. Yes the Griz are more balanced and Gilman is a going to be a great RB, but their offense in total will not reach the level of the Cat offense.