Running Backs

[Diesel]

RBs didn't get as many carries last week due to Jensen needing reps. Favors finally showed he could go forward after contact, competition may be pushing him to get better.
Lee is proving to be a solid pick up.
O-line and RBs will have to protect Jensen a bit better, but things are looking good with RBs.

 

[AZDoc]

What's the thought on both QB getting reps in different packages?

While I think Jensen will get the majority of the snaps, they already had a package for Hill. With the unfortunate injury to Reese, it may be used more than planned. Hill and Jensen are both gamers so I do think despite some growing pains (Jensen youth, Hill still getting a feel for offense) that we can still have a good season.

I thought I heard that, but wondered the thoughts on actually implementing it? I agree jensen needs to get the majority of reps of course. I am excited for the game Saturday...night, cool, Ewoo, conference. Be loud fans! Get a big fat W Griz

 

[AZGrizFan]

I think we with Jensen taking over..we are about to see an offense that attacks the line much more differently..more power runs..and more QB runs off the edges than we have seen before.

A few more perhaps, but another QB injury puts the season in jeopardy. I don't think Gresch has the slide down just yet.

I'm not positive, but I believe any team that gets down to its third string QB pretty much has it's season on jeopardy. :lol:

 

[Grizzly96]

What's the thought on both QB getting reps in different packages?

While I think Jensen will get the majority of the snaps, they already had a package for Hill. With the unfortunate injury to Reese, it may be used more than planned. Hill and Jensen are both gamers so I do think despite some growing pains (Jensen youth, Hill still getting a feel for offense) that we can still have a good season.

I thought I heard that, but wondered the thoughts on actually implementing it? I agree jensen needs to get the majority of reps of course. I am excited for the game Saturday...night, cool, Ewoo, conference. Be loud fans! Get a big fat W Griz

I think it will be used more than it would have otherwise. I will say it was smart for Stitt to find an upperclassmen QB just for a situation like this. Hill is very athletic and could lead the offense if necessary even with him still learning it. While I do believe Jensen will do well; and has impressed me with his skill set, its always hard to tell with Freshman(RS or True). If Hill was not here, we would be looking at a RS-Freshman starter and only true freshman behind him to backup or pull someone else back that hasn't been practicing at QB for awhile. Either way, that would not have been a good situation.

 

[Catsrback76]

RBs didn't get as many carries last week due to Jensen needing reps. Favors finally showed he could go forward after contact, competition may be pushing him to get better.
Lee is proving to be a solid pick up.
O-line and RBs will have to protect Jensen a bit better, but things are looking good with RBs.

The RB's did not get as many carries NOT because Jensen needed to learn to pass, but because the UM does NOT run the ball!

 

[Mousegriz]

RBs didn't get as many carries last week due to Jensen needing reps. Favors finally showed he could go forward after contact, competition may be pushing him to get better.
Lee is proving to be a solid pick up.
O-line and RBs will have to protect Jensen a bit better, but things are looking good with RBs.

The RB's did not get as many carries NOT because Jensen needed to learn to pass, but because the UM does NOT run the ball!

Hey 76....don't think some of us will be around in 59 more years when you're back!

 

[bigkid]

Montana has run 209 plays of which 102 are on the ground for an average per carry of 3.6 yards. Lee will prove to be a very valuable running back going forward and Calhoun is already proven. Anyone who thinks Montana won't run the ball is mistaken.

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

RBs didn't get as many carries last week due to Jensen needing reps. Favors finally showed he could go forward after contact, competition may be pushing him to get better.
Lee is proving to be a solid pick up.
O-line and RBs will have to protect Jensen a bit better, but things are looking good with RBs.

The RB's did not get as many carries NOT because Jensen needed to learn to pass, but because the UM does NOT run the ball!

So - I know that stats don't tell the whole story...but, the image below is from GoGriz.com. 102 rushing attempts to 107 passing attempts. Granted, I'm not sure if those "rushing attempts" include QB scrambles and sacks for loss or not, but through 3 games, not a bad balance for a team / system that is considered pass first.

 

[AZDoc]

RBs didn't get as many carries last week due to Jensen needing reps. Favors finally showed he could go forward after contact, competition may be pushing him to get better.
Lee is proving to be a solid pick up.
O-line and RBs will have to protect Jensen a bit better, but things are looking good with RBs.

The RB's did not get as many carries NOT because Jensen needed to learn to pass, but because the UM does NOT run the ball!

So - I know that stats don't tell the whole story...but, the image below is from GoGriz.com. 102 rushing attempts to 107 passing attempts. Granted, I'm not sure if those "rushing attempts" include QB scrambles and sacks for loss or not, but through 3 games, not a bad balance for a team / system that is considered pass first.

I think 2 things are in play here...if you are running 80+ plays a game, if you don't run 30 times, you're passing at least 50. that's a crap ton. If you run 85-90 plays, that is even more. 60 throws still gets 30 runs in that case. I get that the thought from others is "pass first", and I agree that's some of it, but for this offense to be successful, they have to run the ball quite a bit.
Secondly, I'd bet that includes all the sacks and such as that's how NCAA stats work, as far as rushing yards go. Any stat guys/gals calculate the YPA without the sacks factored in?

 

[grzz]

What's the thought on both QB getting reps in different packages?

While I think Jensen will get the majority of the snaps, they already had a package for Hill. With the unfortunate injury to Reese, it may be used more than planned. Hill and Jensen are both gamers so I do think despite some growing pains (Jensen youth, Hill still getting a feel for offense) that we can still have a good season.

I thought I heard that, but wondered the thoughts on actually implementing it? I agree jensen needs to get the majority of reps of course. I am excited for the game Saturday...night, cool, Ewoo, conference. Be loud fans! Get a big fat W Griz

I think it will be used more than it would have otherwise. I will say it was smart for Stitt to find an upperclassmen QB just for a situation like this. Hill is very athletic and could lead the offense if necessary even with him still learning it. While I do believe Jensen will do well; and has impressed me with his skill set, its always hard to tell with Freshman(RS or True). If Hill was not here, we would be looking at a RS-Freshman starter and only true freshman behind him to backup or pull someone else back that hasn't been practicing at QB for awhile. Either way, that would not have been a good situation.

There isn't a specific package for Hill. Hill has the ability to run some of the zone read/option stuff already in the playbook, but there is no special package. In one long series at the end of one of the scrimmages or practices, Hill ran reps with a lot of the QB run type plays but I don't think those reps were with the first string offense. I think Jensen is every bit the athlete and running threat Hill is, did you see he first TD on Saturday? Plus he is the superior passer and has a better grasp on the system. If we bring Hill in, we basically telegraph what we are doing. I will definitely come back and admit it if I am wrong, but unless Jensen really struggles or gets injured, I do not think Hill will take a non-garbage time snap any time soon. There is a significant difference between the two and Jensen is clearly the guy now.

 

[HookedonGriz]

RBs didn't get as many carries last week due to Jensen needing reps. Favors finally showed he could go forward after contact, competition may be pushing him to get better.
Lee is proving to be a solid pick up.
O-line and RBs will have to protect Jensen a bit better, but things are looking good with RBs.

The RB's did not get as many carries NOT because Jensen needed to learn to pass, but because the UM does NOT run the ball!

I think you should worry more about the Cats inability to have any running game whatsoever, even though that's what they want to be. Outside Murray, the Cats run game is awful.

This last game the Griz had 34 carries for 193 yards and an avg of 5.7 ypc. Pretty dang good for a team that doesn't run.

 

[kyle_sample]

While I think Jensen will get the majority of the snaps, they already had a package for Hill. With the unfortunate injury to Reese, it may be used more than planned. Hill and Jensen are both gamers so I do think despite some growing pains (Jensen youth, Hill still getting a feel for offense) that we can still have a good season.

I thought I heard that, but wondered the thoughts on actually implementing it? I agree jensen needs to get the majority of reps of course. I am excited for the game Saturday...night, cool, Ewoo, conference. Be loud fans! Get a big fat W Griz

I think it will be used more than it would have otherwise. I will say it was smart for Stitt to find an upperclassmen QB just for a situation like this. Hill is very athletic and could lead the offense if necessary even with him still learning it. While I do believe Jensen will do well; and has impressed me with his skill set, its always hard to tell with Freshman(RS or True). If Hill was not here, we would be looking at a RS-Freshman starter and only true freshman behind him to backup or pull someone else back that hasn't been practicing at QB for awhile. Either way, that would not have been a good situation.

There isn't a specific package for Hill. Hill has the ability to run some of the zone read/option stuff already in the playbook, but there is no special package. In one long series at the end of one of the scrimmages or practices, Hill ran reps with a lot of the QB run type plays but I don't think those reps were with the first string offense. I think Jensen is every bit the athlete and running threat Hill is, did you see he first TD on Saturday? Plus he is the superior passer and has a better grasp on the system. If we bring Hill in, we basically telegraph what we are doing. I will definitely come back and admit it if I am wrong, but unless Jensen really struggles or gets injured, I do not think Hill will take a non-garbage time snap any time soon. There is a significant difference between the two and Jensen is clearly the guy now.

There is no Caleb HIll package. It's a creation of either someone's misunderstanding or their imagination

 

[grzz]

I thought I heard that, but wondered the thoughts on actually implementing it? I agree jensen needs to get the majority of reps of course. I am excited for the game Saturday...night, cool, Ewoo, conference. Be loud fans! Get a big fat W Griz

I think it will be used more than it would have otherwise. I will say it was smart for Stitt to find an upperclassmen QB just for a situation like this. Hill is very athletic and could lead the offense if necessary even with him still learning it. While I do believe Jensen will do well; and has impressed me with his skill set, its always hard to tell with Freshman(RS or True). If Hill was not here, we would be looking at a RS-Freshman starter and only true freshman behind him to backup or pull someone else back that hasn't been practicing at QB for awhile. Either way, that would not have been a good situation.

There isn't a specific package for Hill. Hill has the ability to run some of the zone read/option stuff already in the playbook, but there is no special package. In one long series at the end of one of the scrimmages or practices, Hill ran reps with a lot of the QB run type plays but I don't think those reps were with the first string offense. I think Jensen is every bit the athlete and running threat Hill is, did you see he first TD on Saturday? Plus he is the superior passer and has a better grasp on the system. If we bring Hill in, we basically telegraph what we are doing. I will definitely come back and admit it if I am wrong, but unless Jensen really struggles or gets injured, I do not think Hill will take a non-garbage time snap any time soon. There is a significant difference between the two and Jensen is clearly the guy now.

There is no Caleb HIll package. It's a creation of either someone's misunderstanding or their imagination

Thank You Kyle Sample!

The suggestion was brought up on eGriz and has grown by some to be a fact. Hill could absolutely do some running plays if the coaches decided to do that, but there is no Hill Package that they have spent any extra time developing outside of their regular offense.

 

[Mousegriz]

RBs didn't get as many carries last week due to Jensen needing reps. Favors finally showed he could go forward after contact, competition may be pushing him to get better.
Lee is proving to be a solid pick up.
O-line and RBs will have to protect Jensen a bit better, but things are looking good with RBs.

The RB's did not get as many carries NOT because Jensen needed to learn to pass, but because the UM does NOT run the ball!

...and the Cats have this fast kid from Dillon who could be all BSC 4 years straight.

 

[Paytonlives]

RBs didn't get as many carries last week due to Jensen needing reps. Favors finally showed he could go forward after contact, competition may be pushing him to get better.
Lee is proving to be a solid pick up.
O-line and RBs will have to protect Jensen a bit better, but things are looking good with RBs.

The RB's did not get as many carries NOT because Jensen needed to learn to pass, but because the UM does NOT run the ball!

...and the Cats have this fast kid from Dillon who could be all BSC 4 years straight.

and kitties nation is arguing that he should move to LB

 

[PlayerRep]

I think it will be used more than it would have otherwise. I will say it was smart for Stitt to find an upperclassmen QB just for a situation like this. Hill is very athletic and could lead the offense if necessary even with him still learning it. While I do believe Jensen will do well; and has impressed me with his skill set, its always hard to tell with Freshman(RS or True). If Hill was not here, we would be looking at a RS-Freshman starter and only true freshman behind him to backup or pull someone else back that hasn't been practicing at QB for awhile. Either way, that would not have been a good situation.

There isn't a specific package for Hill. Hill has the ability to run some of the zone read/option stuff already in the playbook, but there is no special package. In one long series at the end of one of the scrimmages or practices, Hill ran reps with a lot of the QB run type plays but I don't think those reps were with the first string offense. I think Jensen is every bit the athlete and running threat Hill is, did you see he first TD on Saturday? Plus he is the superior passer and has a better grasp on the system. If we bring Hill in, we basically telegraph what we are doing. I will definitely come back and admit it if I am wrong, but unless Jensen really struggles or gets injured, I do not think Hill will take a non-garbage time snap any time soon. There is a significant difference between the two and Jensen is clearly the guy now.

There is no Caleb HIll package. It's a creation of either someone's misunderstanding or their imagination

Thank You Kyle Sample!

The suggestion was brought up on eGriz and has grown by some to be a fact. Hill could absolutely do some running plays if the coaches decided to do that, but there is no Hill Package that they have spent any extra time developing outside of their regular offense.

You are sort of correct. It isn't a special package, but they practice it and it was used for a play at UW in the first series. Hill picked up a 1st down on 3d-2. they also used it a lot in one of the scrimmages. Only one qb ran 6-8 running plays in a row in a scrimmage. One of the reasons Hill was recruited is because he's a good runner and very good with the read option. A "package" doesn't have to be a special package; it can be what may or can be used by a particular plays. Most of my info comes directly from the running back coach.

 

[PlayerRep]

I think it will be used more than it would have otherwise. I will say it was smart for Stitt to find an upperclassmen QB just for a situation like this. Hill is very athletic and could lead the offense if necessary even with him still learning it. While I do believe Jensen will do well; and has impressed me with his skill set, its always hard to tell with Freshman(RS or True). If Hill was not here, we would be looking at a RS-Freshman starter and only true freshman behind him to backup or pull someone else back that hasn't been practicing at QB for awhile. Either way, that would not have been a good situation.

There isn't a specific package for Hill. Hill has the ability to run some of the zone read/option stuff already in the playbook, but there is no special package. In one long series at the end of one of the scrimmages or practices, Hill ran reps with a lot of the QB run type plays but I don't think those reps were with the first string offense. I think Jensen is every bit the athlete and running threat Hill is, did you see he first TD on Saturday? Plus he is the superior passer and has a better grasp on the system. If we bring Hill in, we basically telegraph what we are doing. I will definitely come back and admit it if I am wrong, but unless Jensen really struggles or gets injured, I do not think Hill will take a non-garbage time snap any time soon. There is a significant difference between the two and Jensen is clearly the guy now.

There is no Caleb HIll package. It's a creation of either someone's misunderstanding or their imagination

Thank You Kyle Sample!

The suggestion was brought up on eGriz and has grown by some to be a fact. Hill could absolutely do some running plays if the coaches decided to do that, but there is no Hill Package that they have spent any extra time developing outside of their regular offense.

You also missed and denied that the Griz had run a bunch of running plays in row in a scrimmage. I talked to Green about the subject.

 

[Ursus1]

It was evident in Washington game, they had a plan to use Hill in a certain circumstance. Don't need a "package", the offense already has the plays in it just using different personnel. I can sure see it being done again and in a series of runs too.

 

[Grizzly96]

It was evident in Washington game, they had a plan to use Hill in a certain circumstance. Don't need a "package", the offense already has the plays in it just using different personnel. I can sure see it being done again and in a series of runs too.

That's my fault. I used the word package when I meant certain circumstances to use more run based plays. What PR said is correct.

Wait.....what the hell am I saying? Just kidding!

 

[krammer]

It was evident in Washington game, they had a plan to use Hill in a certain circumstance. Don't need a "package", the offense already has the plays in it just using different personnel. I can sure see it being done again and in a series of runs too.

That's my fault. I used the word package when I meant certain circumstances to use more run based plays. What PR said is correct.

Wait.....what the hell am I saying? Just kidding!

while jensen is a very good dual threat qb.....anyone who saw the spring game would be hard pressed to say he is as good a runner as hill.....hill is quite a bit bigger, more athletic when running and faster imo....kind of tim tebowish on a much smaller scale and hill even throws left handed like him..ha !