Rob Oviatt leaving the program as S&T coach

[PlayerRep]

I would hope academics are of interest to all college coaches.

If they are not, it's time to find a new career.

I hate to be the one to inform you that academics does equal an academic center, nor vice versa. Academics existed long be athletic academic centers were conceived. While I assume someone must think there are benefits of having an academic center for athletes or close to the athletic activities; study areas, computers, tables, and chairs exist all over the place--in libraries, other buildings, computer rooms/centers, in dorms, homes and apartments, coffee shops, etc. My guess is that the primary of an academic center is convenience for athletes, if they have shorter windows of time to study, and a good place for academic advisors to ride herd over athletes who are struggling or not performing academically.

None of this concerns or should concern a strength coach. A strength coach is and should be focused on other things, including building strength, health, motivation, and character.

A question. Do you think professors should be concerned about athletes gaining strength? Afterall, many believe that strength improves athletic performance, which increases wins, which makes alums and donors happy and more connected to the school, which improves donations, which helps improve the coffers of the university for the academic mission.

you come up with some doozies, but this one cracks your top ten. the first part is barely coherent go back and clean it up. if you actually think that coaches shouldn't be concerned with academics you have the brain of a two year old. without academics there is no college football. without college football there is no job for a coach. reach into your rectum, grab your head and pull as hard as you can.

The most successful coaches (supervisors, managers, leaders, doctors, carpenters, artist....) do not only deal with the individual parts but with the whole and how they work together. A coaching staff, like any other team of people, works together on the whole individual while emphasizing their individual job responsibilities. A strength coach puts a significant time requirement on the players. The academic center is a concern to the strength coach also as this person has signifcant contact with the players and how to balance all the requirements of being a player and a student (whole person). Working with young people requires constant teaching on how to balance all the parts of life they are experiencing and LEARING TO DEAL WITH. Not natural skills for many.

Feel free to point us to any strength coaches who are known for being big advocates of academic centers, are responsible for academics, or are known for having a significant role in the academic performance of athletes.

 

[Big G]

I remember hearing about this years ago when my son and his wife were living in California and I always thought these things went together so maybe that is why he is leaving.
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[AZGrizFan]

I remember hearing about this years ago when my son and his wife were living in California and I always thought these things went together so maybe that is why he is leaving.
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You think he's leaving because they're building the Academic Center and not the weight room?

 

[PlayerRep]

I remember hearing about this years ago when my son and his wife were living in California and I always thought these things went together so maybe that is why he is leaving.
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You think he's leaving because they're building the Academic Center and not the weight room?

No, I think it's because he wanted to have his office in the academic center. As some posters have pointed out, academic performance is the responsibility of the strength coach.

 

[EverettGriz]

We absolutely should show him those plans.

If he's in coaching, he should want what's best for the student-athlete, no?

An academic center is of zero benefit or interest to a strength coach. The weight room is of utmost importance to a strength coach. UM's weight room is abysmal.

I would hope academics are of interest to all college coaches.

If they are not, it's time to find a new career.

I hate to be the one to inform you that academics does equal an academic center, nor vice versa. Academics existed long be athletic academic centers were conceived. While I assume someone must think there are benefits of having an academic center for athletes or close to the athletic activities; study areas, computers, tables, and chairs exist all over the place--in libraries, other buildings, computer rooms/centers, in dorms, homes and apartments, coffee shops, etc. My guess is that the primary of an academic center is convenience for athletes, if they have shorter windows of time to study, and a good place for academic advisors to ride herd over athletes who are struggling or not performing academically.

None of this concerns or should concern a strength coach. A strength coach is and should be focused on other things, including building strength, health, motivation, and character.

A question. Do you think professors should be concerned about athletes gaining strength? Afterall, many believe that strength improves athletic performance, which increases wins, which makes alums and donors happy and more connected to the school, which improves donations, which helps improve the coffers of the university for the academic mission.

Okay, so let me see if I can make logic out of the completely illogical.

So you believe that weight rooms add to athletic performance, but academic centers don't add to academics. Yeah, uhhh, I think we'll just have to disagree and call you a tad bit crazy.

As to your question, no. I doubt any professor outside of Health and Human Performance gives two shits about a weight room. Nor would any sane person want them to. The university is in the business of educating students, not getting linebackers stronger. If that's a difficult concept for you to understand, please avoid sharp objects.

 

[Big G]

I remember hearing about this years ago when my son and his wife were living in California and I always thought these things went together so maybe that is why he is leaving.
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You think he's leaving because they're building the Academic Center and not the weight room?

Lots of athletic programs are building all in one weight, academic and offices. It is possible that Mr Oviatt might want to enjoy a real first class facility. A lot of people like a challenge and maybe he wants to help another program take the next step. Maybe he has taken this program as far as he can with the current facilities and he knows change is not coming soon. Nobody really knows but Mr. Oviatt.

 

[EverettGriz]

Or, maybe he had some family issues to deal with.....


I swear some of you require tinfoil hats.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Maybe Ed McMahon isn't really dead and he won the PCS, and is moving to Thailand to open an internet spam site or rim shop for rickshaws?

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Fu*k you AG1 they don't even have rickshaws in Thailand do they!

Man your fat, dumb and stupid

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

So

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

You need an academic center more than UM does............

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Whatever fatty......

 

[BWahlberg]

Or, maybe he had some family issues to deal with.....


I swear some of you require tinfoil hats.

:thumb:

No way, couldn't be that.

Signed, egriz nation

 

[jodcon]

Just curious, does anybody NOT have any family issues? I'd like to meet them.

 

[grizatwork]

Just curious, does anybody NOT have any family issues? I'd like to meet them.

If you only knew the family stuff I have had to deal with over the past 2 days. Unfortunately, I can't leave my job to address them. I have a pretty big nut to crack every month and have to be at work.

 

[GrizPony]

Just curious, does anybody NOT have any family issues? I'd like to meet them.

If you only knew the family stuff I have had to deal with over the past 2 days. Unfortunately, I can't leave my job to address them. I have a pretty big nut to crack every month and have to be at work.

My sweetie starts every month with two big nuts to crack. She has to do it several times a month too.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Just curious, does anybody NOT have any family issues? I'd like to meet them.

If you only knew the family stuff I have had to deal with over the past 2 days. Unfortunately, I can't leave my job to address them. I have a pretty big nut to crack every month and have to be at work.

Hence the screen name, no?

 

[Ursa Major]

Or, maybe he had some family issues to deal with.....


I swear some of you require tinfoil hats.

+1 truer words have never been written on this board!

 

[MT Jack]

The university is in the business of educating students, not getting linebackers stronger.

EverettGriz - If I ever cross paths with you, I'm buying you a beer for this comment alone.

 

[PlayerRep]

The university is in the business of educating students, not getting linebackers stronger.

EverettGriz - If I ever cross paths with you, I'm buying you a beer for this comment alone.

Since Everett's statement is not accurate, are you buying the beer for him to drink, or for you to throw on him?

UM's business is actually to do both. Here's the mission statement for UM Athletics, which, as you know, is part of the University. Note the references to developing "academic and athletic potential" through "practice, training and competition". In particular, note the word "training".

"Athletic Department Value, Mission, Vision, and Strategic Goals

The University of Montana Department of Intercollegiate Athletics recognizes a commitment to serve both its student-athletes and the University. Its primary commitment is to provide an opportunity for student-athletes to fully develop their academic and athletic potential. Through practice, training and competition, the department strives to instill in each student-athlete:

• Good sportsmanship and personal integrity.
• Loyalty to the group and the ability to function with others as a team. • Appreciation for the benefits of hard work, motivation and perseverance in both winning and losing situations.
• Pride in accomplishments gained through fair and honest means.

A strong athletic program does much to generate pride and enthusiasm in students, alumni, the University as a whole, and the community which the University serves. The public relations, goodwill and service provided by a strong athletic program benefit The University of Montana in ways which cannot be measured in strictly economic terms. Through its athletic program, the University’s accomplishments and academic goals are made known to the public.
Based upon this philosophy and with ongoing support from the President and the University Athletic Committee, the following values, mission statement, vision statement and strategic goals have been established."