Rob Ash Fired

[mtgriz]

I hope they hire Hauck.......

Would rival Caitlin Jenner's transformation.

 

[Allezchat]

I heard Stitt was applying for the job..........

 

[driftwood]

??? how much longer is Bohl going to last at Wyoming? Could the cat's conceivably make a run at him if he gets canned?

 

[get'em_griz]

With Carroll College's season already done for the year, Mike Van Diest is one of the top candidates at this point.

 

[grizindabox]

With Carroll College's season already done for the year, Mike Van Diest is one of the top candidates at this point.

Yeah.....don't think he is....

 

[SouthDakotaGrizzly]

Montana State University, Graveyard of Coaches? Now, there's an attractive feature for hiring a new one ...

Why have we fired most football coaches since 1971?

Postby AlphaOAlum on Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:15 am
To give all of us some perspective, MSU has fired or forced out all but one football coach since 1971, when Tom Parac was promoted from football coach to Athletic Director. The last coach to leave for a "better" college football job was Jim Sweeney, who went to Washington State in 1967. I posted about this in spring 2014 when Huse was let go (http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=32937), as the statistics for Men's Basketball coaches are about as abysmal.

I've added information about the coach's age at the time of hiring as another data point. The age of hire is imperfect information, as I used their first season minus the year of their birth. So if they were hired in December 1999 but didn't coach the first game until August 2000, the data point is a year off. (History degree for the win!)

Here's the record:
- Ash: 9 years, *edit: Fired. 56 years of age when hired.
- Kramer: 7 years, fired. 47 years of age when hired.
- Hysell: 8 years, resigned for very legitimate health reasons but was also on the hot seat. 50 years of age when hired.
- Solomonson: 5 years, fired. 40 years of age when hired.
- Arnold: 4 years, fired. 39 years of age when hired.
- Graber: 1 year, left in 1982 to become an assistant coach with the Kansas City Chiefs (Graber is the anomaly). 38 years of age when hired.
- Lubick: 4 years, fired. 41 years of age when hired.
- Holland, 7 years, resigned (under pressure? link to Spokesman review article: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 76,3778541 ). 40 years of age when hired.
- Parac: 3 years, promoted to Athletic director. I can't find date of birth information for Tom Parac.
- Sweeney: 5 years, went to Washington State. 34 years of age when hired.

...So MSU hasn't had a coach move on to a better job since Lyndon Johnson was President.

In contrast, other than Pflugrad, when was the last time a Griz football coach left for another reason besides a better job offer or retirement?

 

[Htowngriz]

With Carroll College's season already done for the year, Mike Van Diest is one of the top candidates at this point.

Guy might be the biggest prick in all of college football. He'd be a perfect fit for Bozo State.

 

[bgbigdog]

I hope they hire Hauck.......

Would rival Caitlin Jenner's transformation.

Yeah... Take a pay cut, move away from the best weather around to take another step backward coaching his least favorite team ever. Done deal.

 

[grizindabox]

With Carroll College's season already done for the year, Mike Van Diest is one of the top candidates at this point.

Guy might be the biggest prick in all of college football. He'd be a perfect fit for Bozo State.

You mean the biggest not named Petrino?

 

[SouthDakotaGrizzly]

??? how much longer is Bohl going to last at Wyoming? Could the cat's conceivably make a run at him if he gets canned?

Bohl won't be available. Last year (his first year) he inherited the mess left behind from the previous staff. This year, he played a lot of underclassmen and they took their lumps. He'll have at least another year or two to get his recruits in place and turn it around (one would think).

 

[bgbigdog]

Seriously, hasn't Royce already offered up the no-go's on Haslam's list from last year?

 

[Yukon]

"Rob is a competitor, good person. He is invested in what he does and believes in what he does. Rob was disappointed," said Fields. "We had a discussion. I'll leave it at that. "

Might have been a little heated.

 

[Htowngriz]

With Carroll College's season already done for the year, Mike Van Diest is one of the top candidates at this point.

Guy might be the biggest prick in all of college football. He'd be a perfect fit for Bozo State.

You mean the biggest not named Petrino?

:lol:

Good point.

 

[Griz1]

IMO the problem is Mr Fields himself. Nuff said.

 

[GottaluvGriz]

Montana State University, Graveyard of Coaches? Now, there's an attractive feature for hiring a new one ...

Why have we fired most football coaches since 1971?

Postby AlphaOAlum on Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:15 am
To give all of us some perspective, MSU has fired or forced out all but one football coach since 1971, when Tom Parac was promoted from football coach to Athletic Director. The last coach to leave for a "better" college football job was Jim Sweeney, who went to Washington State in 1967. I posted about this in spring 2014 when Huse was let go (http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=32937), as the statistics for Men's Basketball coaches are about as abysmal.

I've added information about the coach's age at the time of hiring as another data point. The age of hire is imperfect information, as I used their first season minus the year of their birth. So if they were hired in December 1999 but didn't coach the first game until August 2000, the data point is a year off. (History degree for the win!)

Here's the record:
- Ash: 9 years, *edit: Fired. 56 years of age when hired.
- Kramer: 7 years, fired. 47 years of age when hired.
- Hysell: 8 years, resigned for very legitimate health reasons but was also on the hot seat. 50 years of age when hired.
- Solomonson: 5 years, fired. 40 years of age when hired.
- Arnold: 4 years, fired. 39 years of age when hired.
- Graber: 1 year, left in 1982 to become an assistant coach with the Kansas City Chiefs (Graber is the anomaly). 38 years of age when hired.
- Lubick: 4 years, fired. 41 years of age when hired.
- Holland, 7 years, resigned (under pressure? link to Spokesman review article: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 76,3778541 ). 40 years of age when hired.
- Parac: 3 years, promoted to Athletic director. I can't find date of birth information for Tom Parac.
- Sweeney: 5 years, went to Washington State. 34 years of age when hired.

...So MSU hasn't had a coach move on to a better job since Lyndon Johnson was President.

In contrast, other than Pflugrad, when was the last time a Griz football coach left for another reason besides a better job offer or retirement?

You have to go back to 1980-1986 coach Larry Donovan with only one winning season.
Go Griz!

 

[get'em_griz]

With Carroll College's season already done for the year, Mike Van Diest is one of the top candidates at this point.

Yeah.....don't think he is....

I wasn't being serious.

 

[grizindabox]

IMO the problem is Mr Fields himself. Nuff said.

He is definitely not the solution...

 

[GottaluvGriz]

Really, when you look back on the MSU coaching track record, it is a graveyard for coaching careers.
They will be lucky to get someone with current success at our level and fairly young. Maybe they can find someone with just a few years left of coaching and would love to settle in the Gallatin Valley?
Go Griz!

 

[rcscott]

Hmmm....first it's announced that Joe Glenn is "retiring" and then Ash gets fired. Coincidence??

Ding Ding Ding....circle gets the square

 

[ilovethecats]

It sends quite a message to recruits and to the next coach and coaching staff. If I was a college coach, and had a prospect of applying, I would think twice about applying to MSU. I would have to note that the major opponent the coach faces isn't opposing teams, it's the "fans."

that is certainly one way of looking at it. however, you could also look at it as we are committed to winning. and winning games that matter. beating the griz matters. winning playoff games matter. beating quality teams in the conference matter. these are things coach ash did not do well.

I don't know a team in the country that doesn't at least pay lip service to those goals. Football is a sport, after all. Being "dedicated" to winning is a nice thought.

At the end of the playoffs, every year, only one team gets to "win." So, there is something more to this, and that is "going about it." A psychotic fan base isn't "it."

UM began a true tradition of sports excellence beginning, really, with Jud Heathcote. Then, Don Read. Give it 30 years of development with ADs like Harley Lewis, Bill Moos, Jim O'Day. You got a "deep state" of athletic excellence that supports the coaches and the players. There's a sophisticated fan base that truly supports the coaches and the teams and understands the sport. That is truly an "elite" program.

Then you've got the Bobcats who saw all this develop and decided, for reasons unknoweable, that "hey, we can be just like UM and we SHOULD BE!" Why? Well, that's the hard part. Montana is small state population-wise and money-wise, and it is doubtful that it could sustain two "elite" football programs. If Montana continues to win the recruiting battle in-state, it doesn't matter how many times MSU fans announce the "changing of the guard," it doesn't seem to "change." MSU is forever in the shadow of UM on recruiting, which is partly why 69% of Montana's population are Griz fans.

And recruits see that, and donors see that, and it's like who wants to be part of a self-destructive program that devours its winningest coaches and marginalizes its talent, driven by a rabid fan base that, after being delusional, are vindictive.

I will respectfully disagree with this. it's clear we won't change any minds. you make it sound like the griz invented winning and the only reason have expectations of winning because of you! it's crazy. why should msu be any different than any other team in the country? why should we be fine losing to our in-state rival? or missing the playoffs? or losing seasons?

this is so funny to me. all we've heard from a large portion of your fanbase for years is how bad ash sucks. how our schedule is weak and we can't beat anyone. about how you hope he sticks around forever. now we let him go and you're going to act like we're this mean university with unreasonable expectations?! it doesn't make sense.

I like ash a lot. he's a great guy. but he couldn't beat the griz. he couldn't win in November. he couldn't win in the playoffs. and whether you think so or not, these are not lofty expectations. and while I appreciate your concern in regards to recruits and donations, I know for a fact that we have already lost out on these things because of ash. I find it highly unlikely we are going to lose donations and recruits in the future because of our "delusional" goals of winning in the playoffs. :lol: