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Rivalry perception is not always reality

My view is that few players hate each other, and generally don't even dislike each other, especially as time passes. However, most, or at least many, players do "hate" the other team, or something pretty close to that. That hatred is more of a rivalry hatred, as opposed to truly hating the other team. Sometimes that view mellows with time; sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it takes alot of time to mellow. I know alot of players from 5, 10, 15 years ago who still "hate" the Cats, and some vice versa too. I also know alot of former players have who are good friends with former players of the opposite team. That is not to say that they don't rib the other guys, especially at this time of the year. However, most of them seem to have a healthy respect for each other. They share an experience and bond that most other people don't have, i.e. that they have actually played in the rivalry game and experienced the competition and emotions of the game.

In my own experience, I still hate Harvard, but I have never hated or even disliked any Harvard player or former player. I even recommended Harvard football to a nephew last year. My email started, "I hate Harvard and I hate Harvard football even more. Nevertheless, I think you ...." My position coach used to start Harvard week at practice by quieting saying, "Do you hate em?" It would be hard to hear him. Then he would ask each player. Some gently said yes. Some would say no. Some would laugh. Some would ask, "Hate who?" Each day the coach would ask the same question, but ask it progressively louder. By mid-week, we would all be yelling in response to his question that we hated em. I never lost to Harvard. Back then, we played them in their stadium each year. Loved that stadium, and loved to beat them there. On the other hand, like former Griz and Cat players, former Ivy players, even Harvard and Dartmouth, have that shared experience of having battled each other in some big and intense games. It does create at least a small bond. The Ivies created the Ivy Football Dinner about 15 or so years ago. Every 2 years, over a 1,000 former players and coaches, and a few current ones, gather for a black tie dinner in NYC. One player from each school is honored, for what he did in life not what he did on the field. A recent Dartmouth honoree was my teammate and friend, who, despite being drafted, chose a Rhodes Scholarship and then Stanford law school over playing in the NFL. This year's Dartmouth honoree was one of the pioneers of arthroscopic surgery. It's a great event. Chris Berman, a Brown alum but not a player, is the co-MC. Another Dartmouth friend and I took Bobby Hauck one year. I took Pflu this year.

The Griz-Cat rivalry is right up there with the best Ivy rivalries. Not as much tradition, but probably more intense, at least these days.
 
A friend of mine is Montana kid who played for a national championship Griz team, he cheers for both schools. I am sure it was different in his playing days.

As a fan of FCS I do not hate any team or player, and I do hate two fan bases
 
FCSwatcher said:
A friend of mine is Montana kid who played for a national championship Griz team, he cheers for both schools. I am sure it was different in his playing days.

As a fan of FCS I do not hate any team or player, and I do hate two fan bases

We'll...we're waiting?
 
doc3kgt said:
AZGrizFan said:
I don't hate the players that go to Bozeman College.

I question their intelligence....

Engineering vs Liberal Arts....I don't think they lack intelligence at MSU but nice try.

Everyone that goes to MSU is an engineer? I didn't know that. I will have to call my 2 brothers and 1 sister who graduated from there and tell them to demand a raise. Older brother, you are now an "accounting engineer." Little brother and sister, you are now "educational engineers." Good thing I am self employed. Other wise I would have to go to my boss and request a smaller paycheck, because I am now a liberal arts major instead of a Physical Therapist.

So now you have agricultural engineers, architecture engineers, business engineers, communications engineers, general studies engineers, biology engineers, and even nursing engineers too? Being a little too simplistic in my opinion. Both are very good schools offering very good degrees in a multiple of majors. Sure MSU is doing well in enrollment. Part of it is economy and degrees, but there are other things involved. Recent bad press, leadership and marketing play a big part as well. Look back 10-15 years ago. The script was flipped. All I heard about was enrollment in Missoula killing Bozeman and fans/alumni complaining that UM was killing them in publicity and marketing.

The pendulum moves all the time. It will keep moving back and forth.
 
mtgrizrule said:
I can only speak on my experience. When I played athletics competitively, regardless of sport, I often played against guys I considered friends away from athletic competition. However, when we played against each other, yes we absolutely did become hated rivals during game time. We wanted to out do one another and have our respected teams not only win, but dominate them!!!! The desire and passion to beat them created the want to do even better and take our performance to an even higher level.

Did I hate the players or individuals on a team during competition? I sure did. Or maybe it is more of a hating to lose to them than truly hating them. As soon as the given competition was over, it was back to being friends and mutual respect for one another and wishing them the best.

Yes, I do know of players and coaches from each side that hate one another. They will never root for the other. Funny, Mike and Mike in the Morning talked about this on their radio show this morning. Neither of them could understand how some players and coaches could not even root for certain rivals even if that rival winning could help their own team/school in the standings. For me, I always root for what is the best outcome for the GRIZ.

In professional sports, there are 2 teams I absolutely cannot root for, even if they can help my team. Those teams are the Dallas Cowboys and SF Giants. I just cannot root for them ever!!! So for me, I actually have both sides of this come into play.

Count me in with the Cowboys and Giants.
 
doc3kgt said:
AZGrizFan said:
I don't hate the players that go to Bozeman College.

I question their intelligence....

Engineering vs Liberal Arts....I don't think they lack intelligence at MSU but nice try.
Oh, I don't know, when I was working on undergraduate and graduate degrees in Chemistry at the University of Montana, I was always encouraged by the fact that a student, similarly situated, had graduated from the University of Montana and gone on to win the Nobel Prize in Chemistry, Harold Urey, and that UM has a current faculty member in Forestry recognized as part of a group that won the Nobel Prize recently.
 
Sorry to be that guy, but :whocares: ..... it's different for everyone. Let's beat the ever-living shit out of them Saturday and move on to more formidable opponents like Cal Poly and Weber.
 
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