Baller1 said:
So Baller, when was the last time the Griz were ranked in the Top 25......or close as you put it?
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Riley Bradshaw just left the Aggies
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So Baller, when was the last time the Griz were ranked in the Top 25......or close as you put it?
I would love to be playing USU this year. Those guys on the USUfans board are delusional if they think their program is some much superior to ours that somebody that couldn't hack it there could be a 4 year starter here. B.S. Fact is he would not have seen the floor here either.
Grizbanker
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I don't know Sunshine...I know alot of great kids...I'm sure Riley is a great kid ...but the nicest one I'll ever know?
mtgrizrule
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Sunshinestar32 said:
I agree with you regarding Riley and his family. Most us are wishing him the best, and hoping he comes back closer to home. There are only a few knocking the kid, or implying Tinkle does not want or need him. As I said before, I would love for him to be a GRIZ, and would be very happy for him.
The fact is, Tinkle recruited Riley, and had to move on without Riley, after Riley made his decision. Since then, Tinkle has filled the roster with other very good to great guards, also with very high ceilings. The only guard we lose after this season, is Will Cherry, which will not be redshirting, unless there are major setbacks with his injury. Even if Riley would be better than all the other young guards, it makes no sense for Tinkle to sacrifice other players who have committed to the program. Tinkle has a very good reputation, that is growing on the national level. He would be a fool to turn his back on current players who committed to Tinkle and the GRIZ. Riley, not the GRIZ, not Tinkle, chose to shut the door to the GRIZ and Cats.
Tinkle's job is to keep his promises and expectations to the current GRIZ players and families. Sure, if a scholarship opens up, and Riley is willing to compete for playing time, him being a GRIZ would be great, and everyone would be happy. Granted, I don't want to see Riley be a Cat either, but if I were giving him advice, but it would likely be a better fit for him, and their program.
Deshields and Gregory, are sophomores with good overall games. Gregory is a true PG, which many will see has improved a ton since last season. Deshields is a combo guard, which is ready to become our defensive stopper, which happens to be a solid scorer too. Henderson is a swing 2/3 with mad athleticism. If/when he develops his game to go with his athleticism, look out Big Sky. Kareem Jamar is the best SG/SF combo player in the conference, and the best play maker on the team. He has another year left. Mario Dunn has committed to the GRIZ already. From what I hear, he is the 2nd coming of Will Cherry, but a better distributor. By the looks of the roster, I see Henderson getting a lot of minutes at 2 after this year. We are pretty loaded at 3 (Weisner, Emerson, Wiley)
Best case scenario for Riley is being part of a 4 guard rotation after Jamar moves on. For that to happen, he honestly would have to improve his defense and footwork a lot, or become a true PG. I honestly believe Gregory and Dunn have the PG rotation shored up for the next 5 years. I don't see Riley being long enough or quick enough to be a SG for Tinkle's defensive strategy. Can Riley cut it? Yes he can, if he works on his athleticism, quicks, and defense. The GRIZ cupboard is stocked for the next 3 plus years, and stocked with very good quality guards.
If part of his decision is based on playing time, he does not better it as a GRIZ. If it is about being close to home,and being part of a winning program, this is a great match for him.
Rather than busting on egrizzers giving their opinions, why not enlighten us, why Riley is leaving, and what his intentions are? Right now, all this is, is speculation.
Potomac Griz
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temp said:
Utah State is usually very good, but I agree with you. For someone to think just because a player got recruited at Utah State they'd be able to step right in here and be a 4 year starter is kind of absurd... Utah State is good, but they aren't Duke... They weren't in the NCAA tournament last year or the NIT. They got to the CIT where they lost in the championship game to Mercer.
As mtgrizrule said, we are loaded with smaller players and will be for quite a while. I feel perfectly fine with who we have at PG, SG, and SF. Right now if we have a scholarship available after this year (if Cherry doesn't redshirt) then I'm guessing we'll be looking for another post player.
I think we are set at PG for many years with Gregory, Deshields and Dunn. Gregory impressed the hell out of me at the scrimmage, and Deshields has the quickness to be a nightmare defender out there for other teams at the 1 or 2. He also is very good at getting to the bucket and getting other players easy buckets (as we've seen). If he starts finishing a little better around the bucket (which I'm confident he will) he'll be a damn good weapon to have out there too.
Then we have Dunn, who as we know, is a very talented PG coming in. If you go by the recruiting sites like Scout and Rivals, Dunn is rated higher than Bradshaw was (Dunn is a 3star recruit).
Tinkle has done a hell of a job getting us some very talented players, and while there's no doubt Bradshaw is very talented also... I'm not sure we need another guard at this point.... Who knows though... I'll trust Tinkle's judgement whatever he does in this situation, since he obviously knows talent
SWeberCat02
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They treat Weber the same way. That's why most Weber fans, this one included, can't stand Aggie fans. It was a ton of fun kicking their ass last season.temp said:
WaGriz4life
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Seriously. When was it? 30 years ago? 40 years ago?grizindabox said:
With the out of conference schedule we usually have and with how weak the Big Sky is, the Griz would have to be 17 or 18-0 before being considered a top 25 team.
BelierPeaux
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Yeah, if UM was close to being a top 25 team that would mean they would have a fighting chance at an at large bid to the dance. We all know that hasn't happened to a BSC team in ages.
Knoweverything
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Scott Disick and others remember this is a small town.. Watch what you say online. Nothing better then a key board warrior. :thumb: That said none of you probably hardly know Riley or anything really going on. Riley is humble and works his ass off and anyone that knows anything about basketball knows he's every bit as good as any player the griz have. But please stop trying to humiliate him on here. He's a 19 year old kid and half of you talking shit probably never played and are glued to your coach eating Cheetos. He only deserves support. I'm pretty sure Tinkle will be excited. He only started recruiting Riley since he was in 7th grade. Have a good night and hopefully me and Mr Dipshit or Disick I mean will cross paths.
Potomac Griz
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If you look at the RPIs over the years, I think the Griz have been in the top 50 before, but if I remember right the best they've been in RPI recently was in the mid 40s. I could be wrong on that though.
I do seem to remember the Griz getting some votes for the top 25 though, possibly in the season we played Nevada in the tournament. They climbed up fairly far on the Mid Major top 25 poll that year too.
Top 25 isn't impossible...just look at Murray State last year, and many of the other Mid Majors that just keep winning. Many times they aren't in the best conference either, but pick up a couple notable wins in their non-conference, and then dominate their conference.
With our cluster fuck of a conference though it would take one hell of a winning streak, plus winning damn near every non conference game for us to get a sniff at the top 25 this year I'm afraid. First game of the season against CSU @CSU will be a hell of an early season test. Winning that one would be a good start
I do seem to remember the Griz getting some votes for the top 25 though, possibly in the season we played Nevada in the tournament. They climbed up fairly far on the Mid Major top 25 poll that year too.
Top 25 isn't impossible...just look at Murray State last year, and many of the other Mid Majors that just keep winning. Many times they aren't in the best conference either, but pick up a couple notable wins in their non-conference, and then dominate their conference.
With our cluster fuck of a conference though it would take one hell of a winning streak, plus winning damn near every non conference game for us to get a sniff at the top 25 this year I'm afraid. First game of the season against CSU @CSU will be a hell of an early season test. Winning that one would be a good start
Potomac Griz
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Knoweverything said:
I'm not sure Tinkle would appreciate us gluing ourselves to him while munching Cheetos...
HighLineGRIZ
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Potomac Griz said:If you look at the RPIs over the years, I think the Griz have been in the top 50 before, but if I remember right the best they've been in RPI recently was in the mid 40s. I could be wrong on that though.
I do seem to remember the Griz getting some votes for the top 25 though, possibly in the season we played Nevada in the tournament. They climbed up fairly far on the Mid Major top 25 poll that year too.
Top 25 isn't impossible...just look at Murray State last year, and many of the other Mid Majors that just keep winning. Many times they aren't in the best conference either, but pick up a couple notable wins in their non-conference, and then dominate their conference.
With our cluster f*** of a conference though it would take one hell of a winning streak, plus winning damn near every non conference game for us to get a sniff at the top 25 this year I'm afraid. First game of the season against CSU @CSU will be a hell of an early season test. Winning that one would be a good start
We need a more challenging non-conference schedule where we pull off some upsets over Top 25 teams and a dominant conference showing to be in consideration for a Top 25 ranking as weak as our conference is.
Potomac Griz
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HighLineGRIZ said:Potomac Griz said:If you look at the RPIs over the years, I think the Griz have been in the top 50 before, but if I remember right the best they've been in RPI recently was in the mid 40s. I could be wrong on that though.
I do seem to remember the Griz getting some votes for the top 25 though, possibly in the season we played Nevada in the tournament. They climbed up fairly far on the Mid Major top 25 poll that year too.
Top 25 isn't impossible...just look at Murray State last year, and many of the other Mid Majors that just keep winning. Many times they aren't in the best conference either, but pick up a couple notable wins in their non-conference, and then dominate their conference.
With our cluster f*** of a conference though it would take one hell of a winning streak, plus winning damn near every non conference game for us to get a sniff at the top 25 this year I'm afraid. First game of the season against CSU @CSU will be a hell of an early season test. Winning that one would be a good start
We need a more challenging non-conference schedule where we pull off some upsets over Top 25 teams and a dominant conference showing to be in consideration for a Top 25 ranking as weak as our conference is.
With our schedule this year we'd likely have to win every non-conference game, and be fairly far into our conference schedule (without a loss) to get in the top 25. Might be able to drop one non-conference game if it was @BYU or @CSU. A lot would depend on how good BYU and CSU were too... Murray State got fairly high in the rankings last year with 1 top 25 win early in the season (memphis) but did have a more challenging schedule...and also won 23 in a row which didn't hurt
So yeah, it's not too likely...it'd take damn near perfection to get into the top 25 this year for the Griz with the schedule we have and the normal drawbacks to being in a way too freakin big weak conference
WaGriz4life
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This. Bradshaw will be our 2nd best point guard after his first practice. You guys thinking he won't see the floor for the Griz will be wrong.Knoweverything said:
Potomac Griz
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WaGriz4life said:
He'd see the floor, I agree with you there, but I think it's a little early to be anointing him the 2nd best point guard (I'm assuming behind Cherry?)... Tinkle is a hell of a recruiter and I'm confident that the guards who we have here already fit our system perfectly.
Utah State isn't Duke... they are good most of the time, but then again so are the Griz. This isn't like we'd be getting some highly touted recruit from Duke or UConn.... We'd be getting a player from a middle of the road (last year anyway) WAC team. Not trying to take anything away from Bradshaw, he's obviously very talented. It's just a little early to hype the shit out of him before he's even sniffed D1 competition and would be coming into a brand new system competing against players who have been in the system for over a year now and very talented themselves.
Either way, I trust Tinkle's judgement.... he obviously knows what he's doing in terms of getting the right players for his system
Baller1
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Potomac Griz said:If you look at the RPIs over the years, I think the Griz have been in the top 50 before, but if I remember right the best they've been in RPI recently was in the mid 40s. I could be wrong on that though.
I do seem to remember the Griz getting some votes for the top 25 though, possibly in the season we played Nevada in the tournament. They climbed up fairly far on the Mid Major top 25 poll that year too.
Top 25 isn't impossible...just look at Murray State last year, and many of the other Mid Majors that just keep winning. Many times they aren't in the best conference either, but pick up a couple notable wins in their non-conference, and then dominate their conference.
With our cluster f*** of a conference though it would take one hell of a winning streak, plus winning damn near every non conference game for us to get a sniff at the top 25 this year I'm afraid. First game of the season against CSU @CSU will be a hell of an early season test. Winning that one would be a good start
Exactly, good post PG.
I wasn't trying to imply we are a perennial top 25 team, but the top 25 isn't out of reach, and we have received multiple votes a few times in the past few years. Some of you are acting like I predicited a Final Four appearance or something......A lot of variables need to fall into place, and a strong start/winning streak would be needed. IF Cherry were to red shirt and come back next year, we definitely would have the talent to make a push at getting ranked. It's totally hypothetical and pure speculation.....this is a message board, that is what it's here for.
Baller1
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Knoweverything said:
Whoa pump the brakes. Obviously you're friend or family of Bradshaw.....making loosely veiled threats towards posters (even the trolls) is also being a "keyboard warrior". Don't be a hypocrite, it will not help your arguments on here. Let it go. Most people understand that Riley is a talented player, but the fact he went to Utah State doesn't make him better than any guard the griz have recruited.
"he's every bit as good as any player the griz have."
That statement is a lie, and you're getting way ahead of yourself here. Kareem Jamar and Will Cherry are proven, big time, college basketball players. Jordan Gregory and Keron Desheilds are highly rated recruits, and incoming freshman Mario Dunn is the best recruit (on paper) that we've had since Cherry and Jamar. Don't let your emotions get ahead of you.....this is just a message board. People are entitled to their opinions, and it's the moderators job to deal with people trolling.....best of luck to Riley wherever he ends up. College basketball isn't easy, and finding the right fit isn't just signing a letter of intent. IF he ends up a Griz, he'll have more competition at the guard spot than he had at Utah State, and hopefully he would compete, get better and max out his potential. :thumb:
I can see the floor! 
WaGriz4life
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Edit: This post isn't meant to call out Potomac Griz, this is directed to the people posting on this thread that don't think Bradshaw will be a big-time impact player.Potomac Griz said:WaGriz4life said:
He'd see the floor, I agree with you there, but I think it's a little early to be anointing him the 2nd best point guard (I'm assuming behind Cherry?)... Tinkle is a hell of a recruiter and I'm confident that the guards who we have here already fit our system perfectly.
Utah State isn't Duke... they are good most of the time, but then again so are the Griz. This isn't like we'd be getting some highly touted recruit from Duke or UConn.... We'd be getting a player from a middle of the road (last year anyway) WAC team. Not trying to take anything away from Bradshaw, he's obviously very talented. It's just a little early to hype the shit out of him before he's even sniffed D1 competition and would be coming into a brand new system competing against players who have been in the system for over a year now and very talented themselves.
Either way, I trust Tinkle's judgement.... he obviously knows what he's doing in terms of getting the right players for his system
Have you seen Bradshaw play live? Gregory live? DeShields live? If you have than you would see that he is a better offensive player than both of those two in almost every aspect, and I really don't think it's that close. Defensively is where DeShields would have an edge, he was solid on the ball last year but not very good off the ball. Gregory hasn't shown me anything to believe he is at the same caliber as Bradshaw in any area. Not his high school film, not in mop-up time, not in scrimmages.
I have a feeling most of you haven't ever watched Bradshaw live and just have friends or people you know that have. Or some of you might just be stereotyping him as being in the same class as a Matt Ludke or Brian Lynch where in reality he is closer to Kevin Criswell in the way he dominated High School games.
Bradshaw is the real deal
