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[whitefishbear]

How many people three years ago would be excited about Stitt staff if he said: after 2 3/4 seasons we will be at a point that IF we can win last 3 games we might make playoffs but by no means a guarantee ....and be ranked 7th in total defense, 11th in pass defense, LAST (13th) in kick off returns, 12th in punt returns and dead last
(13th) in kick off coverage as well? If that is what you wanted, you got it. He needs to make changes or all the improved offensive play will be lost to the other two facets of the game. He said after last season collapse he would evaluate the entire program but the leaders of those two parts of the game were kept and improvements have not happened.

I like his recruits (if those that verballed actually sign), and offense is doing okay with the #1 QB injury issue, but other parts are flat out not making strides as should after almost 3 seasons

It should be pretty obvious to anyone who knows much about the game. Stitt has almost 18 years of head coaching behind him, and has consistently won just North of half his games. He is what he is, and it will never change. Accept it. Average head coaches with 15+ years behind them do not miraculously become great coaches.

I'm not being an asshole, but tell me why I am wrong.

Great post, and, in addition, the were no patsies in the Big Sky in those years. We had Nevada, Idaho, and Boise State then. The weakest teams were Weber and the Bobcats. Trying to compare Read's record in that era to the weak-assed Big Sky now is ridiculous.

Feel free to check Don Read's record before he got the GRIZ where he did. He wouldn't have been given the time to see it play out. I actually see many resemblances with what Read did, and what Stitt will do, if given the necessary time. I will actually understand and respect Stitt being let go, if and when we can come up with realistic options that can meet the ridiculously high expectations. There are very few realistic options available for the GRIZ, that can turn this program to national contenders in less than another 2 years. At this stage, any replacement appears to be yet another risk, and likely will not get the GRIZ there any sooner than Stitt can.

Feel free to check the resources Don Read had when he got the job at UM and compare to the resources Stitt has had at Montana. Read had to build the program from scratch and his impact was clear from day one.

 

[whitefishbear]

How many people three years ago would be excited about Stitt staff if he said: after 2 3/4 seasons we will be at a point that IF we can win last 3 games we might make playoffs but by no means a guarantee ....and be ranked 7th in total defense, 11th in pass defense, LAST (13th) in kick off returns, 12th in punt returns and dead last
(13th) in kick off coverage as well? If that is what you wanted, you got it. He needs to make changes or all the improved offensive play will be lost to the other two facets of the game. He said after last season collapse he would evaluate the entire program but the leaders of those two parts of the game were kept and improvements have not happened.

I like his recruits (if those that verballed actually sign), and offense is doing okay with the #1 QB injury issue, but other parts are flat out not making strides as should after almost 3 seasons

It should be pretty obvious to anyone who knows much about the game. Stitt has almost 18 years of head coaching behind him, and has consistently won just North of half his games. He is what he is, and it will never change. Accept it. Average head coaches with 15+ years behind them do not miraculously become great coaches.

I'm not being an asshole, but tell me why I am wrong.

Feel free to check Don Read's record before he got the GRIZ where he did. He wouldn't have been given the time to see it play out. I actually see many resemblances with what Read did, and what Stitt will do, if given the necessary time. I will actually understand and respect Stitt being let go, if and when we can come up with realistic options that can meet the ridiculously high expectations. There are very few realistic options available for the GRIZ, that can turn this program to national contenders in less than another 2 years. At this stage, any replacement appears to be yet another risk, and likely will not get the GRIZ there any sooner than Stitt can.

Feel free to check the resources Don Read had when he got the job at UM and compare to the resources Stitt has had at Montana. Read had to build the program from scratch and his impact was clear from day one.

Great post, and, in addition, the were no patsies in the Big Sky in those years. We had Nevada, Idaho, and Boise State then. The weakest teams were Weber and the Bobcats. Trying to compare Read's record in that era to the weak-assed Big Sky now is ridiculous.

 

[mtgrizrule]

It should be pretty obvious to anyone who knows much about the game. Stitt has almost 18 years of head coaching behind him, and has consistently won just North of half his games. He is what he is, and it will never change. Accept it. Average head coaches with 15+ years behind them do not miraculously become great coaches.

I'm not being an asshole, but tell me why I am wrong.

Feel free to check Don Read's record before he got the GRIZ where he did. He wouldn't have been given the time to see it play out. I actually see many resemblances with what Read did, and what Stitt will do, if given the necessary time. I will actually understand and respect Stitt being let go, if and when we can come up with realistic options that can meet the ridiculously high expectations. There are very few realistic options available for the GRIZ, that can turn this program to national contenders in less than another 2 years. At this stage, any replacement appears to be yet another risk, and likely will not get the GRIZ there any sooner than Stitt can.

Feel free to check the resources Don Read had when he got the job at UM and compare to the resources Stitt has had at Montana. Read had to build the program from scratch and his impact was clear from day one.

Great post, and, in addition, the were no patsies in the Big Sky in those years. We had Nevada, Idaho, and Boise State then. The weakest teams were Weber and the Bobcats. Trying to compare Read's record in that era to the weak-assed Big Sky now is ridiculous.

Applying today's thinking to Read, our fans would have been calling for his head too. He wouldn't of been given the time to see his work pay off.

 

[Ursus1]

It should be pretty obvious to anyone who knows much about the game. Stitt has almost 18 years of head coaching behind him, and has consistently won just North of half his games. He is what he is, and it will never change. Accept it. Average head coaches with 15+ years behind them do not miraculously become great coaches.

I'm not being an asshole, but tell me why I am wrong.

Feel free to check Don Read's record before he got the GRIZ where he did. He wouldn't have been given the time to see it play out. I actually see many resemblances with what Read did, and what Stitt will do, if given the necessary time. I will actually understand and respect Stitt being let go, if and when we can come up with realistic options that can meet the ridiculously high expectations. There are very few realistic options available for the GRIZ, that can turn this program to national contenders in less than another 2 years. At this stage, any replacement appears to be yet another risk, and likely will not get the GRIZ there any sooner than Stitt can.

Feel free to check the resources Don Read had when he got the job at UM and compare to the resources Stitt has had at Montana. Read had to build the program from scratch and his impact was clear from day one.

Great post, and, in addition, the were no patsies in the Big Sky in those years. We had Nevada, Idaho, and Boise State then. The weakest teams were Weber and the Bobcats. Trying to compare Read's record in that era to the weak-assed Big Sky now is ridiculous.

Read also did not have a 25,000 seat stadium that sells out to entice recruits and Griz nation was a no where near a large in scope and number, or as open with their checkbooks as it is now. He was following up a horrible coach who ran the freaking wishbone just to try and survive. That cupboard was bare and not even remotely similar to when Stitt came

 

[whitefishbear]

Feel free to check Don Read's record before he got the GRIZ where he did. He wouldn't have been given the time to see it play out. I actually see many resemblances with what Read did, and what Stitt will do, if given the necessary time. I will actually understand and respect Stitt being let go, if and when we can come up with realistic options that can meet the ridiculously high expectations. There are very few realistic options available for the GRIZ, that can turn this program to national contenders in less than another 2 years. At this stage, any replacement appears to be yet another risk, and likely will not get the GRIZ there any sooner than Stitt can.

Feel free to check the resources Don Read had when he got the job at UM and compare to the resources Stitt has had at Montana. Read had to build the program from scratch and his impact was clear from day one.

Great post, and, in addition, the were no patsies in the Big Sky in those years. We had Nevada, Idaho, and Boise State then. The weakest teams were Weber and the Bobcats. Trying to compare Read's record in that era to the weak-assed Big Sky now is ridiculous.

Read also did not have a 25,000 seat stadium that sells out to entice recruits and Griz nation was a no where near a large in scope and number, or as open with their checkbooks as it is now. He was following up a horrible coach who ran the freaking wishbone just to try and survive. That cupboard was bare and not even remotely similar to when Stitt came

Yep, your logic is solid. But you are farting in the wind trying to use logic with these Stitt supporters. They'll just spin it and try to find shallow silver linings to what we have to witness on Saturdays. I think the most revealing stat is the overall W/L record of the teams we have defeated this season. They are rolling along at a cumulative 0.30 clip! As another poster said... we have not beaten a quality team in two years.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Mick Dennehey.

 

[putter]

whitefishbear, I don't think it is laughable at all. You could argue the Read saw success because his spread offense was a novelty at best back then. Most teams had no idea how to defend it and it still took him 10 years to truly find success, although the Big Sky was much deeper than it is today. I think the flaw with Stitt is you need that perfect QB, which is hard to find at the FCS level although it looks like Jensen is the real deal. I am more concerned about the other side of the ball. If you have to score 40 a game to be successful that is not a recipe I want to follow. Like I said, I am willing to give him 4 years...not blindly supporting him

 

[whitefishbear]

whitefishbear, I don't think it is laughable at all. You could argue the Read saw success because his spread offense was a novelty at best back then. Most teams had no idea how to defend it and it still took him 10 years to truly find success, although the Big Sky was much deeper than it is today. I think the flaw with Stitt is you need that perfect QB, which is hard to find at the FCS level although it looks like Jensen is the real deal. I am more concerned about the other side of the ball. If you have to score 40 a game to be successful that is not a recipe I want to follow. Like I said, I am willing to give him 4 years...not blindly supporting him

Oh yeah? Just for curiosity, try to name our starting 11 on defense next year, then tell me why 2018 will be any better on defense. There is Buss........ and there is.......???

 

[G-BEARS]

Don Read took over a program that had not seen much success. Stitt took over a program trying to rebuild from a poorly handled dismantling in regard to Pflu. I am all for giving a guy at least 4 years to have a chance running a program with a full recruiting cycle. IMO, he still has to look in the mirror regarding some of his coaches to see if this is what he truly wants. If he does, then the chips will fall where they do.

Give Stitt another year and you will get a similar result as this year. Comparing Stitt to Don Read is laughable. Why don't we just go back and compare Stitt to a head coach in the leather helmet days? :?

The next argument will be that we have to give him 4 years since the completion of the champions center, since he didn't have that as a recruiting tool until now.

 

[kemajic]

whitefishbear, I don't think it is laughable at all. You could argue the Read saw success because his spread offense was a novelty at best back then. Most teams had no idea how to defend it and it still took him 10 years to truly find success. I think the flaw with Stitt is you need that perfect QB, which is hard to find at the FCS level although it looks like Jensen is the real deal. I am more concerned about the other side of the ball. If you have to score 40 a game to be successful that is not a recipe I want to follow

It's hard to hang that Weber 41 on the D. It has actually been improving from a woeful start:

Opponent/Total Yards Allowed/First Downs Allowed

EWU/617/30
PSU/544/30
ISU/532/30
UND/343/12
WSU/298/21

Some very sloppy offense and ST play cooked our goose in the Weber game. The D played well enough to hang with Weber. The D was not responsible for 5 turnovers.

 

[cmtgrizzly]

whitefishbear, I don't think it is laughable at all. You could argue the Read saw success because his spread offense was a novelty at best back then. Most teams had no idea how to defend it and it still took him 10 years to truly find success. I think the flaw with Stitt is you need that perfect QB, which is hard to find at the FCS level although it looks like Jensen is the real deal. I am more concerned about the other side of the ball. If you have to score 40 a game to be successful that is not a recipe I want to follow

It's hard to hang that Weber 41 on the D. It has actually been improving from a woeful start:

Opponent/Total Yards Allowed/First Downs Allowed

EWU/617/30
PSU/544/30
ISU/532/30
UND/343/12
WSU/298/21

Some very sloppy offense and ST play cooked our goose in the Weber game. The D played well enough to hang with Weber. The D was not responsible for 5 turnovers.

Good post! Thanks for the stats. Maybe you know our mix of run vs pass on offense. Whitefishbear thought we were very pass heavy. I wasnt sure but it seemed like we were pretty balanced overall.

 

[Diesel]

whitefishbear, I don't think it is laughable at all. You could argue the Read saw success because his spread offense was a novelty at best back then. Most teams had no idea how to defend it and it still took him 10 years to truly find success, although the Big Sky was much deeper than it is today. I think the flaw with Stitt is you need that perfect QB, which is hard to find at the FCS level although it looks like Jensen is the real deal. I am more concerned about the other side of the ball. If you have to score 40 a game to be successful that is not a recipe I want to follow. Like I said, I am willing to give him 4 years...not blindly supporting him

Oh yeah? Just for curiosity, try to name our starting 11 on defense next year, then tell me why 2018 will be any better on defense. There is Buss........ and there is.......???

Sims, shaw, Favoroso, Rodriguez, Olsen,Lewis, Sanders, Cowans, Nash, Sandry, Banks or maybe Strong also LB maybe LeTexier or Sweet.
Many returning starters and more depth

 

[cmtgrizzly]

whitefishbear, I don't think it is laughable at all. You could argue the Read saw success because his spread offense was a novelty at best back then. Most teams had no idea how to defend it and it still took him 10 years to truly find success, although the Big Sky was much deeper than it is today. I think the flaw with Stitt is you need that perfect QB, which is hard to find at the FCS level although it looks like Jensen is the real deal. I am more concerned about the other side of the ball. If you have to score 40 a game to be successful that is not a recipe I want to follow. Like I said, I am willing to give him 4 years...not blindly supporting him

Oh yeah? Just for curiosity, try to name our starting 11 on defense next year, then tell me why 2018 will be any better on defense. There is Buss........ and there is.......???

Sims, shaw, Favoroso, Rodriguez, Olsen,Lewis, Sanders, Cowans, Nash, Sandry, Banks or maybe Strong also LB maybe LeTexier or Sweet.
Many returning starters and more depth

Is Cochran a senior? He has done some good things. Vika?

 

[whitefishbear]

whitefishbear, I don't think it is laughable at all. You could argue the Read saw success because his spread offense was a novelty at best back then. Most teams had no idea how to defend it and it still took him 10 years to truly find success, although the Big Sky was much deeper than it is today. I think the flaw with Stitt is you need that perfect QB, which is hard to find at the FCS level although it looks like Jensen is the real deal. I am more concerned about the other side of the ball. If you have to score 40 a game to be successful that is not a recipe I want to follow. Like I said, I am willing to give him 4 years...not blindly supporting him

Oh yeah? Just for curiosity, try to name our starting 11 on defense next year, then tell me why 2018 will be any better on defense. There is Buss........ and there is.......???

Sims, shaw, Favoroso, Rodriguez, Olsen,Lewis, Sanders, Cowans, Nash, Sandry, Banks or maybe Strong also LB maybe LeTexier or Sweet.
Many returning starters and more depth

A bunch of names, and none who can be predicted to be all-conference caliber. Banks and Strong are seniors. The rest were either spot starters with marginal success, or substitutes. We will be extremely young and inexperienced on defense next season. Hard to imagine that we will be improved on defense next season. I just don't see any way. We are two years away at best on "D'.

 

[Diesel]

Strong is a senior Isaihia Banks is a freshman who is ready to play. Plenty of quality players on roster and future transfers.
Empty can rattles the most.