Returning UM football to dominance

[ordigger]

Always refreshing to read opinions of all the closet coaches, and couch quarterbacks out there. Fellas, stick with your day jobs. Mick has done a great job.

Says the Butte guy..

Nope, from 120 miles west of Butte. Raised in a town called Missoula. Perhaps you've heard of it?

 

[Umista]

Delaney is a good guy but is over the hill. We need to get a new head coach.

Our offense is outdated and until we get a new modern style we will suck hind tit.
Without JJ we would have lost half our games last season!

Our defense is OK and we will see a much improved team this season. I like Gregorak and think he is a damn good coach.

Our special teams are lacking but we can punt the ball a country mile. FG kicking is beyond bad.

Our tail gating is good. Perhaps the best in our division. What does that count for?

Engstrom is way behind and until he leaves we are in for some dismal times. He wants UM to be the Harvard of the west. The president is not good for Griz athletics period!

Griz dominance? Yeah we will be back. I am a Griz fan!

 

[grizophile]

Montana needs to hire someone from outside of the box, someone with no ties to Montana.. That would be a good start.

I see this kind of opinion posted a lot, and while I don't necessarily disagree with it I'm just wondering why. Care to elaborate?

I like to think that we pride this team on tradition and if there are good options with former knowledge of Montana... great. But I also don't think that should be criteria that takes precedent over knowledge/talent/system/potential.

I see where you are coming from Brint but I like the idea of change. Bring someone in that has fresh ideas on where he wants to take this program. I feel that our football program is getting burnt out. It reminds me of the guy who just shows up to work because he has too. We need to mix it up a little bit, get back to how it use to be.. You know, winning at home all the time and making a run for the championship. Shit in all honesty, i would love to see Bobby come back and coach. I know that will never happen but damn that was a pretty good ride..

I'll pass on that one.

 

[BWahlberg]

Montana needs to hire someone from outside of the box, someone with no ties to Montana.. That would be a good start.

I see this kind of opinion posted a lot, and while I don't necessarily disagree with it I'm just wondering why. Care to elaborate?

I like to think that we pride this team on tradition and if there are good options with former knowledge of Montana... great. But I also don't think that should be criteria that takes precedent over knowledge/talent/system/potential.

I see where you are coming from Brint but I like the idea of change. Bring someone in that has fresh ideas on where he wants to take this program. I feel that our football program is getting burnt out. It reminds me of the guy who just shows up to work because he has too. We need to mix it up a little bit, get back to how it use to be.. You know, winning at home all the time and making a run for the championship. Shit in all honesty, i would love to see Bobby come back and coach. I know that will never happen but damn that was a pretty good ride..

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I get that, thanks for the reply.

I may be making a generalization here but it seems that most posters/fans didn't have too much issue with Bobby or Pflu's hire because they are/were younger and dynamic coaches, they had program ties but weren't just some internal promotion. I think Pflu was on the verge of something huge with his system and Breske's defense, but then... Yeah. I would love to see both back here for what they produced on the field.

I think that possibly a lot look at the Delaney hire as a good initial move but have been overly frustrated with the continued "product" that has been good but not "good enough". And then project an assumption that most internal hires would be the same. I can understand that.

I hope the next hire is a more dynamic coach, I lean towards what PR said, that inherent knowledge to some extent of the program is good to have. Pflu, Bobby, and Joe Glenn are good examples of how coaches with Griz ties can come here and do great things. All three developed a more "worldly" knowledge of college football outside of Montana's ranks, and I like that aspect in a coach too.

 

[getgrizzy]

mick is the best all around coach we've ever had. he's honest and has integrity and class. most of all he has a backbone. he's the right man at the right time.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

Wow. Some people think football is a really easy sport. You don't go from where we were to dominance within a year. You don't go through what JJ went through and return to dominance right away. JJ will have a great year if our OL can protect him. Having a full year of experience with the new offense will be huge.

 

[argh!]

Montana needs to hire someone from outside of the box, someone with no ties to Montana.. That would be a good start.

yes, the way to get back to dominance is get a coach who doesn't know anything about greenie, doesn't know the history or traditions of greenie or greenie's ilk, doesn't know the state or its greenies and greenlands, doesn't know any of the big name greenies like those in or formerly in the dartmouth school of fecaltry, doesn't know the recruiting territory as it pertains to greenie, doesn't know any of the high school coaches who also are stalked by greenie in the region, doesn't know the strengths of greenie's delusion or how to sell greenie to out of state recruits, doesn't know anyone in the administration or faculty, especially not um75 or engstrom, who deny that they are nothing more than greenie clones. doesn't know any of the financial supporters or fans, or those who claim to be like greenie, and has a clean slate that includes no knowledge of greenie. Someone with no ties to greenie could probably hit the ground running within several years.

agreed.

 

[griz5700]

Hiring someone without Montana ties is exactly what the program and school needs right now. If a coach with Griz ties applies and truly rises above the other candidates, then yes, hire him.

I don't know of many guys with UM ties ready to take on that role right now. Justin Green possibly? I don't know much about his personality, managerial skills, or how he would handle off field demands such as fund raising. Seems like a pretty quiet guy. Although I could way off on that. I think Green would be sort of a risky hire at the moment. Maybe in 10 years or so.

It's not like Washington, Florida, USC, Alabama, or any other traditionally strong program places such a priority on finding someone with ties to their program. They go out and find the best candidate who they believe will win games, raise money, and graduate kids. If a coach doesn't thoroughly understand that program's traditions and expectations in the interview process, they won't get hired.

Why do we assume that an outside coach couldn't grasp our tradition and high expectations? Or assume he won't be able to recruit Montana? More importantly, can he recruit outside of Montana? I think players in CA, AZ, and WA would appreciate hearing the perspective of a Montana coach who, like themselves, has no ties to Montana.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

My Lab just sniffed the screen, turned to me and said, "Evers smells like a troll".

Then she licked her butt. Not certain about any possible connection.

I'm confused as well. Did your Lab licked her butt before she sniffed the screen, or was that the other way around?

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Maybe you guys should start a petition?

 

[EverettGriz]

My Lab just sniffed the screen, turned to me and said, "Evers smells like a troll".

Then she licked her butt. Not certain about any possible connection.

I'm confused as well. Did your Lab licked her butt before she sniffed the screen, or was that the other way around?

Is the word "then" ambiguous? :?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

My Lab just sniffed the screen, turned to me and said, "Evers smells like a troll".

Then she licked her butt. Not certain about any possible connection.

I'm confused as well. Did your Lab licked her butt before she sniffed the screen, or was that the other way around?

Is the word "then" ambiguous? :?

I just want to see video evidence of this talking dog.

 

[get'em_griz]

My Lab just sniffed the screen, turned to me and said, "Evers smells like a troll".

Then she licked her butt. Not certain about any possible connection.

I'm confused as well. Did your Lab licked her butt before she sniffed the screen, or was that the other way around?

Is the word "then" ambiguous? :?

I just want to see video evidence of this talking dog.

[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sDzIVh7AIyU[/youtube]

:thumb:

 

[rimrockgriz]

I'll keep this simple...because some of you are just that. This year needs to be the last year for MD. He has his 3 years in which gives his retirement a huge bump. Thank You for your services. We need to hire the best f.....g coach we can find. I don't give a sh!t if he knows where Sidney of Eureka is ? (how f.....g stupid can some people be ?) We just got our asses handed to us by T.D. Ameritrade...a little unpaid Cornhusker tutelage and some asst. college coaching from way back. Get the drift...smart f.....g people win in life. Don't erect all of the maroon and silver ties morons...it's killing Michigan right now, so who the f... do you think you are? Quality hire will inspire more fire. Here comes more dough for ammenities you guys talk about. Forget about ex U.M. asst. making 300-500 k in FBS now. He is NOT interested... :egriz:

 

[84GRIZ]

Don Read came back from our first Championship game against Georgia Southern frustrated after seeing their program and facilities. He had an offer in hand to join the Houston Oilers coaching staff. UM administration was tentative in support for athletics. Over coffee, at Gordie's Press Box, he was asked what it would take to build a football program capable of being a consistent top 10 ranker and competing for a national title. He said--more than one shared VCR machine for the coaches, a room where the entire tram could meet; rather than being spread out in position meetings all over campus, a new weight room, and lockers, and 60 yards of artificial turf. Not a word about salaries or recruiting budgets; just necessities. A small group of boosters sold lockers @ $1000 a pop and with Bruce Danielson 's Touchdown Club paid for what we now have (plus the Rhinehart treatment center-for which UM couldn't find the money to pay for). You build a program with basic tools not smoke and mirrors. With all of the past success of Grizzly football, the administration hasn't re-invested any money to upgrade athletic facilities--other than the Stadium to sell more tickets with revenue flowing to the UM Foundation instead of back to football. Oh, and adding a toilet and some paint to the women's BB locker room so they could host a tournament. Ticket and booster money meant less "state money" was allocated to athletic department (to stay competitive MSU had to allocate more to their athletic departments). In short, instead of UM using our outside money for upgrades and improvement--at UM it was added it to the general fund...helping the other departments, but not giving athletics the benefit of UM's superior booster and ticket funds compared to MSU. We've been running the Cadillac for twenty years without even changing the oil. We're no longer an example of national excellence. We can be. We need the Academic Center NOW. We need new weight rooms and lockers NOW. Dominating safeties, rebounding centers, and creative coordinators will not change the current direction of the program. We need to rebuild the foundation and use all of our coordinated efforts in bringing our tools and facilities back to a level that is not embarrassment to our great University. (Now I'm going back to my room to lie down).

This is the main problem and I have been harping on it for years. We can use athletic profit to help pay for a new science building but we have to hope for a major donor to come in and fund the new locker rooms. It is bull***t. Our student athletic facilities are the worst in the BSC when with our athletic revenue if we put any of it back into the program we should be the best in the FCS.

 

[Griz90]

I believe UM is on the front end of a major resurgence. Just next year campus will see the addition of the Student-Athlete Academic Center. Construction is set to begin and the facility will be open next year. This is a major step in the right direction. Fundraising for the the new weight room/locker room facility is nearly complete with $11 million of the $14 million project in-hand and only $3 million to go. This project will be completed in the next few years, just about the same time that our probation period and loss of scholarships end. We will also have a new head coach and coaching staff in place before then. Big changes like these don't happen overnight and have already taken too long to get to this stage. But we're here now. The changes are occurring. Washington Grizzly Stadium, in combination with the new academic center and new weight room/locker room, along with the return to full scholarship status, will not only put UM on an even keel with our competitors in the Big Sky, it will put us on a pedestal with the rest of the conference struggling to keep up. UM will have excellent support facilities, the best stadium, and the best fan base in all of the FCS. It's right around the corner people. It's right around the corner.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I'll keep this simple...because some of you are just that. This year needs to be the last year for MD. He has his 3 years in which gives his retirement a huge bump. Thank You for your services. We need to hire the best f.....g coach we can find. I don't give a sh!t if he knows where Sidney of Eureka is ? (how f.....g stupid can some people be ?) We just got our asses handed to us by T.D. Ameritrade...a little unpaid Cornhusker tutelage and some asst. college coaching from way back. Get the drift...smart f.....g people win in life. Don't erect all of the maroon and silver ties morons...it's killing Michigan right now, so who the f... do you think you are? Quality hire will inspire more fire. Here comes more dough for ammenities you guys talk about. Forget about ex U.M. asst. making 300-500 k in FBS now. He is NOT interested... :egriz:

Walk off HR :clap:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I'll keep this simple...because some of you are just that. This year needs to be the last year for MD. He has his 3 years in which gives his retirement a huge bump. Thank You for your services. We need to hire the best f.....g coach we can find. I don't give a sh!t if he knows where Sidney of Eureka is ? (how f.....g stupid can some people be ?) We just got our asses handed to us by T.D. Ameritrade...a little unpaid Cornhusker tutelage and some asst. college coaching from way back. Get the drift...smart f.....g people win in life. Don't erect all of the maroon and silver ties morons...it's killing Michigan right now, so who the f... do you think you are? Quality hire will inspire more fire. Here comes more dough for ammenities you guys talk about. Forget about ex U.M. asst. making 300-500 k in FBS now. He is NOT interested... :egriz:

 

[PDXGrizzly]

I'll keep this simple...because some of you are just that. This year needs to be the last year for MD. He has his 3 years in which gives his retirement a huge bump. Thank You for your services. We need to hire the best f.....g coach we can find. I don't give a sh!t if he knows where Sidney of Eureka is ? (how f.....g stupid can some people be ?) We just got our asses handed to us by T.D. Ameritrade...a little unpaid Cornhusker tutelage and some asst. college coaching from way back. Get the drift...smart f.....g people win in life. Don't erect all of the maroon and silver ties morons...it's killing Michigan right now, so who the f... do you think you are? Quality hire will inspire more fire. Here comes more dough for ammenities you guys talk about. Forget about ex U.M. asst. making 300-500 k in FBS now. He is NOT interested... :egriz:

Agreed with most. If some one is the hands down best hire for the team (all factors included) then they should be hired regardless of connections. I don't like the argument that only someone from outside will do the job the best it can be done. Is a real deal national search necessary to find that out? Damn straight.

The other half of this messy equation is that we actually need to pay the coaches a wage that is commensurate with the position. If we continue to pay weaker salaries for head coaches and assistants relative to the other top tier FCS programs, we will not attract the talent level that we need to have the stability and program/game management skills necessary to make the Griz a consistent power again. The university needs to invest rather than give lip service. The academic center is a start, but the locker rooms/weight rooms need to have a high priority in the building plan.

If the university is only interested in the cash it can get from the football team, it would make sense to place the best product on the field. You get that product by having a stable program, a good coach and coaching staff, and good recruiting (stadium, athletic facilities, etc. are huge in this).

 

[kemajic]

mick is the best all around coach we've ever had. he's honest and has integrity and class. most of all he has a backbone. he's the right man at the right time.

So Don Read either was not honest, had no integrity or no class. Which was it?