Returning to an elite FCS program

[Raider]

Cuz I am not elite, like CDA is. The 70's were not elite like the 20's were.

 

[Raider]

...and CDA, I think my son played here the same time your kid played. Not sure though.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

...and CDA, I think my son played here the same time your kid played. Not sure though.

Probably. Mine played for 8 years.

 

[Htowngriz]

So, the results are in...

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?162779-Elite-FCS-Programs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

So, the results are in...

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?162779-Elite-FCS-Programs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wow haven't seen one person mention Montana State...shocker!

 

[poorgriz]

So, the results are in...

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?162779-Elite-FCS-Programs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Uh, I guess I stand corrected. In an earlier post I said NOBODY would ever argue that the griz USED to be elite. I was wrong. Turns out (per AG1) you guys have never been elite. My bad.

IMO if you put together a list of 1AA\FCS programs throughout history and asked which ones would be considered the most elite of all time, the griz are for sure top three. Just not today IMO.

 

[poorgriz]

So, the results are in...

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?162779-Elite-FCS-Programs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wow haven't seen one person mention Montana State...shocker!

Nope, or EWU. Like I said, you guys have an incredible history. Maybe a better question\poll would be, who has a better football program today between UM, MSU, and EWU? Rank them.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I believe an earlier poster said it best when he said that everyone's definition of ELITE is a little different. IMO, these dominant teams, at lower levels of competition, are not necessarily elite. Like I said, maybe NDSU currently and the Griz teams from the 2000's qualify because of the "aura" surrounding their respective programs. A fan today could certainly make an argument that NDSU could compete and possibly beat a majority of FBS teams. Other than the SEC and PAC-12, NDSU could be thriving members of any FBS conference IMO. That's elite to me. The bison transcend their surroundings. The Griz program from 10-15 years ago was in many ways very similar to where NDSU is now.

The question posed in this thread relates to being elite in FCS. See the thread title. The question is not just an elite program. Again, there is no question that Mount Union is an elite (really the elite) program in D-III. There is also no question that UM is an elite program in FCS, in my view. No one has questioned whether NDSU is an elite FBS program. Of course, they are at this time.

Let's see you list of elite FBS programs at this time.

I'll answer this way-

Traditional National Powers(not necessarily elite all the time)
USC
ND
Michigan
Ohio State
Texas
Oklahoma
Nebraska
Penn State
Florida
Florida State
Alabama

Recent Elite FBS Teams IMO
Alabama
Florida( under Meyer)
USC(under Carroll)
Texas(7-8 years ago)
Florida State

I will finish my point with this statement. The greatest college sports program in history was arguably John Wooden's UCLA basketball teams of the late 60's and early 70's. In the years after Wooden's retirement until Jim Harrick, the Bruins were rarely considered elite. Notre Dame football has had long stretches of not being elite too. In fact, many teams on my list of traditional national powers have suffered thru long periods of not being elite also.

Can you not stick to the topic of elite FCS programs?

Yes PR. I can stick to the FCS. But check your post again. You asked me for my elite FBS list of programs. My point is the same whether it's FCS or FBS. A program can be a traditional power without being an elite program. IMO, right now, NDSU is the only elite program in the FCS.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Who's not an elite program? I'll start:

Incarnate Word

 

[PlayerRep]

The question posed in this thread relates to being elite in FCS. See the thread title. The question is not just an elite program. Again, there is no question that Mount Union is an elite (really the elite) program in D-III. There is also no question that UM is an elite program in FCS, in my view. No one has questioned whether NDSU is an elite FBS program. Of course, they are at this time.

Let's see you list of elite FBS programs at this time.

I'll answer this way-

Traditional National Powers(not necessarily elite all the time)
USC
ND
Michigan
Ohio State
Texas
Oklahoma
Nebraska
Penn State
Florida
Florida State
Alabama

Recent Elite FBS Teams IMO
Alabama
Florida( under Meyer)
USC(under Carroll)
Texas(7-8 years ago)
Florida State

I will finish my point with this statement. The greatest college sports program in history was arguably John Wooden's UCLA basketball teams of the late 60's and early 70's. In the years after Wooden's retirement until Jim Harrick, the Bruins were rarely considered elite. Notre Dame football has had long stretches of not being elite too. In fact, many teams on my list of traditional national powers have suffered thru long periods of not being elite also.

Can you not stick to the topic of elite FCS programs?

Yes PR. I can stick to the FCS. But check your post again. You asked me for my elite FBS list of programs. My point is the same whether it's FCS or FBS. A program can be a traditional power without being an elite program. IMO, right now, NDSU is the only elite program in the FCS.

Oops, my bad. Meant FCS. Thought you could read my mind. Maybe I'll go back to I-A and I-AA.

 

[Htowngriz]

So, the results are in...

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?162779-Elite-FCS-Programs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wow haven't seen one person mention Montana State...shocker!

Nope, or EWU. Like I said, you guys have an incredible history. Maybe a better question\poll would be, who has a better football program today between UM, MSU, and EWU? Rank them.

How far back do you want to go? Using 2010 as a benchmark, I'd say EWU, UM, MSU.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Who's not an elite program? I'll start:

Incarnate Word

Northern Colorado or Weber State and pretty much half of the BSC. And yes Incarnate Word. LOL.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

So, the results are in...

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?162779-Elite-FCS-Programs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wow haven't seen one person mention Montana State...shocker!

Nope, or EWU. Like I said, you guys have an incredible history. Maybe a better question\poll would be, who has a better football program today between UM, MSU, and EWU? Rank them.

How far back do you want to go? Using 2010 as a benchmark, I'd say EWU, UM, MSU.

Well, you know EWU didn't play football before 2010, right?

 

[AllWeatherFan]

EWU was NAIA until 2010, but they had a program that gave the lower half of the Frontier Conference fits!

 

[CDAGRIZ]

EWU was NAIA until 2010, but they had a program that gave the lower half of the Frontier Conference fits!

I stand corrected. Thanks for the information.

 

[grizophile]

I always thought the term elite or elitest were pejorative terms? The guys and gals on FOX are always calling Democrats elitests. I'll bet little Sean Hannity could help us out of this mess.

 

[poorgriz]

So, the results are in...

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?162779-Elite-FCS-Programs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wow haven't seen one person mention Montana State...shocker!

Nope, or EWU. Like I said, you guys have an incredible history. Maybe a better question\poll would be, who has a better football program today between UM, MSU, and EWU? Rank them.

How far back do you want to go? Using 2010 as a benchmark, I'd say EWU, UM, MSU.

And what's the logic? Ok so if you’re using 2010, let’s see how the teams stack up. Unless my math is wrong, here is what the records show – and I’m even leaving in the vacated wins even though the NCAA yanked them out.

Overall Record: 43-15 to 38-17, Cats.
Cat\griz Victories: 2 to 2, tie.
Playoff Appearances: 3 to 2, Cats.
Playoff Wins: 2 to 2, tie.
Big Sky Titles: 3 to 1, Cats.

What other metrics do you want to use? What am I missing here?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Wow haven't seen one person mention Montana State...shocker!

Nope, or EWU. Like I said, you guys have an incredible history. Maybe a better question\poll would be, who has a better football program today between UM, MSU, and EWU? Rank them.

What am I missing here?

The fact that he said UM and MSU have both been elite in the specified timeframe, because you want to manufacture a conflict even though you know an elite program doesn't stop being elite due to two, non-consecutive bad seasons and analyzing only on-field data since 2010 is about as useful in analyzing only wins over teams with blue uniforms since August 2014 in determining whether a program is or is not elite and this concept has been explained so many times to you and your Cat trolls that I suspect many around here are wondering whether you guys have fully functional brains.

For my second sentence, I would like to remind you that you are a fan of Montana State University, which will ALWAYS be lil' bro.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

 

[EWURanger29]

So, the results are in...

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?162779-Elite-FCS-Programs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wow haven't seen one person mention Montana State...shocker!

Nope, or EWU. Like I said, you guys have an incredible history. Maybe a better question\poll would be, who has a better football program today between UM, MSU, and EWU? Rank them.

AlphaGriz started that poll, so of course Eastern isn't going to be listed, even though our winning percentage is higher than 2 or 3 if the teams listed in the past 10 years. If you go through the thread, several people have listed Eastern as an elite program. At least as many as have mentioned Montana. Recent success has relevance.

I think there's a distinction between "Historically elite", and "Currently Elite", and those lists probably look quite a bit different.

Historical=Ga So, App, YSU, Montana, UD
Current=NDSU, and?

Again, depends on what your definition of "elite" is.