Returning to an elite FCS program

[NorthEndZoneDan]

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=67803" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; "Historic Gift"
while the argument rages on egriz about "eliteness" (ala Colbert and truthiness) the Griz program is moving on.

 

[statler & waldorf]

Q: how do you know you have an elite program?

A: When there isn't what is sure to be a 15 page thread, justifying why you are or aren't an elite program.

Ten years ago this wouldn't have been a topic.

Exactly. :thumb:

 

[monte is a character]

Q: how do you know you have an elite program?

A: When there isn't what is sure to be a 15 page thread, justifying why you are or aren't an elite program.

Ten years ago this wouldn't have been a topic.

Q: How do you know you still have an elite program?

A: When a poster who is too f*cking embarrased to admit he's a cat fan makes up a fake name starts a thread on how the team he hates isn't an elite program, and over a dozen other cat fans jump in to say, Hell Yeah, the Griz aren't an elite program!!!! Although they can't state why.



Here's an idea f^ckhead: take me up on my challenge. Start a thread on AGS and ask who the elite programs in the FCS are. If the Griz aren't named as one of 3 in at least 70 percent of the posts, I'll come crawling back here and tell you how right your are.











Huh. No kitty fan is willing to do that. I wonder why?

Oh wait! I DON"T wonder, actually. Because they won't do it because they KNOW that the Griz are an elite program at this level. Period. END FU*KING THREAD!!!!

Why don't you start the thread over there if you are feeling so squirrely and throwing the F-word around with abandon. We are all impressed by your use of profanity. You are just confirming your ignorance. ZZZZZZZZZ

 

[Big G]

Elite FBS programs at this time is easy

Alabama


That is my list. All the other big programs are not winning titles. You might be able to add Auburn and LSU into this but that is it. Elite is elite, it is not for evey one.

 

[monte is a character]

So, you want to tell the head coach that his contract won't be renewed, while he has his team in first place?

I'm no fan of MD, but that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. What if the team keeps winning? Then what?

When people say that Grizzly fans are spoiled, this is the shit they are talking about.

You ever heard of Frank Solich? Check out his record the last year as head coach of Nebraska before he was let go. It has way more to do than being in first place along with three other teams after three conference games! Delaney is a tired old has-been (not that there's anything wrong with that) who will never get us back to where we were even if he coaches until the age of 100! Mack Brown. Howard Shellenberger. Bobby Bowden. Woody Hayes. All had to go. My opinion is shared by many Griz fans in my circle, none of who waste their time posting on this board.

There's not a current coach in America that would take over ANY program with the requirement that he keep a certain # of assistants. You're high if you believe that.

You are wrong, as usual. I could have a line of head coaching prospects from the Adams Center to Aber Hall with the stipulation that he keep three of our assistants.

 

[monte is a character]

Really am a long time reader yet new poster. I have nothing but respect for the Griz football program. I am a life long Montana guy and went to MSU 20 years ago. I am a Cat fan to the core, but follow the griz too. Just a football junkie and not intending to troll. I wasn't saying the griz aren't elite, just found the topic ironic.

Don't worry 76, these guys are super jumpy and overly sensitive about anyone talking about how the griz have taken a step back. There was absolutely nothing wrong with that post, in fact it was 100% spot on, and quite profound. Seriously, you are dead on. 10 years ago if someone started a thread talking about whether or not the griz were currently an elite program in 1AA, there would not be one post saying anything to the contrary, by any fan from any school.

Like I said earlier, it is sad that it takes an EWU fan and a Cat fan to confirm that we are no longer an elite program. Too many of the UM posters on this board are homer hacks, who like to live in the past and live by the "we'll be contending for the NC next year" hope. But they do not represent the feelings of the huge UM fan base who never post, or even read this board. I talk to scores of UM fans all of the time, and 95% of them agree that we are no longer an elite program.

Stadiums filled with 25,000 fans don't make us elite. DOMINATING our conference, WINNING playoff games, PROGRESSING deep into the playoffs........ this is what makes a program elite. It doesn't matter whether EWU plays on that God-awful glorified high school field. They WIN, THEY WIN IN THE PLAYOFFS! They PLAY FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP! They are ELITE right now! We are NOT! Face the facts and stop being homers! You make us look like the whiners that 90% of opposing teams think of us!

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Fine. Then by your definition Mount Union is elite too.

Yes, without a doubt, Mount Union is an elite D-III football program. Could anyone possibly disagree?

"Through the 2012 season, Mount Union football has won 11 Division III National Championships and 25 OAC titles, which includes a streak of 22 consecutive conference titles dating back to 1992. Additionally, the Purple Raiders own the NCAA football record for consecutive victories, with 55, set from 2000–2003, which broke their previous record of 54, set from 1996–1999. With the Purple Raiders' success, former head coach Larry Kehres holds the record for highest winning percentage, .929, for coaches with minimum 200 career wins, over his 27 seasons (1986–2012) as coach at Mount Union."

I believe an earlier poster said it best when he said that everyone's definition of ELITE is a little different. IMO, these dominant teams, at lower levels of competition, are not necessarily elite. Like I said, maybe NDSU currently and the Griz teams from the 2000's qualify because of the "aura" surrounding their respective programs. A fan today could certainly make an argument that NDSU could compete and possibly beat a majority of FBS teams. Other than the SEC and PAC-12, NDSU could be thriving members of any FBS conference IMO. That's elite to me. The bison transcend their surroundings. The Griz program from 10-15 years ago was in many ways very similar to where NDSU is now.

The question posed in this thread relates to being elite in FCS. See the thread title. The question is not just an elite program. Again, there is no question that Mount Union is an elite (really the elite) program in D-III. There is also no question that UM is an elite program in FCS, in my view. No one has questioned whether NDSU is an elite FBS program. Of course, they are at this time.

Let's see you list of elite FBS programs at this time.

I'll answer this way-

Traditional National Powers(not necessarily elite all the time)
USC
ND
Michigan
Ohio State
Texas
Oklahoma
Nebraska
Penn State
Florida
Florida State
Alabama

Recent Elite FBS Teams IMO
Alabama
Florida( under Meyer)
USC(under Carroll)
Texas(7-8 years ago)
Florida State

I will finish my point with this statement. The greatest college sports program in history was arguably John Wooden's UCLA basketball teams of the late 60's and early 70's. In the years after Wooden's retirement until Jim Harrick, the Bruins were rarely considered elite. Notre Dame football has had long stretches of not being elite too. In fact, many teams on my list of traditional national powers have suffered thru long periods of not being elite also.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Elite FBS programs at this time is easy

Alabama


That is my list. All the other big programs are not winning titles. You might be able to add Auburn and LSU into this but that is it. Elite is elite, it is not for evey one.

OK what about FSU??? they just won it....I noticed you went on to make it a total of 3 programs....so I would say NDSU, Montana, and maybe Villanova or possibly SHSU...the others would have been App State and Georgia Southern...but they up and left.

 

[monte is a character]

O.K., let's move on from the pissing contest about whether we are an elite program at present. Let's just agree to disagree.

But I would like to challenge contributors to this thread, and even non-contributing hacks like Everett, to comment on this:

Re-read my original post, including my formula for getting this program back on track towards greatness again. I maintain that, if our AD would implement my formula, we would be MUCH MORE DOMINANT three years from now than if we stay the course. Agree, or not agree?

As for my comment that any new head coach be required to keep 3 assistants, I am thinking that he would WANT TO keep the recruiting coordinator, Scott Cragg as the O-line coach, and Green as the RB coach. Since I am not sure who is the recruiting coordinator (it may be one of these two anyway), we may only have to require the new coach t keep 2 of the assistants.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

EWU wins one national championship and has been in the playoffs a couple times since and considers themselves elite...that's so cute.

 

[Big G]

Elite FBS programs at this time is easy

Alabama


That is my list. All the other big programs are not winning titles. You might be able to add Auburn and LSU into this but that is it. Elite is elite, it is not for evey one.

OK what about FSU??? they just won it....I noticed you went on to make it a total of 3 programs....so I would say NDSU, Montana, and maybe Villanova or possibly SHSU...the others would have been App State and Georgia Southern...but they up and left.

Ndsu, App st and Georgia southern maybe Villanova but that is it. Montana is good but they are not elite and you can make a case for them to never have been. Griz had 2 good years in the last 20 and some years they won some games but really outside of the state never competed on a level like the schools listed. Thinking otherwise is pure poppycock.

 

[Big G]

O.K., let's move on from the pissing contest about whether we are an elite program at present. Let's just agree to disagree.

But I would like to challenge contributors to this thread, and even non-contributing hacks like Everett, to comment on this:

Re-read my original post, including my formula for getting this program back on track towards greatness again. I maintain that, if our AD would implement my formula, we would be MUCH MORE DOMINANT three years from now than if we stay the course. Agree, or not agree?

As for my comment that any new head coach be required to keep 3 assistants, I am thinking that he would WANT TO keep the recruiting coordinator, Scott Cragg as the O-line coach, and Green as the RB coach. Since I am not sure who is the recruiting coordinator (it may be one of these two anyway), we may only have to require the new coach t keep 2 of the assistants.

Who is Scott Cragg?

 

[monte is a character]

Elite FBS programs at this time is easy

Alabama


That is my list. All the other big programs are not winning titles. You might be able to add Auburn and LSU into this but that is it. Elite is elite, it is not for evey one.

OK what about FSU??? they just won it....I noticed you went on to make it a total of 3 programs....so I would say NDSU, Montana, and maybe Villanova or possibly SHSU...the others would have been App State and Georgia Southern...but they up and left.

Ndsu, App st and Georgia southern maybe Villanova but that is it. Montana is good but they are not elite and you can make a case for them to never have been. Griz had 2 good years in the last 20 and some years they won some games but really outside of the state never competed on a level like the schools listed. Thinking otherwise is pure poppycock.

Please! We played in the NC game 5 times from 1995 until Hauck left. And that was not elite???? :roll:

 

[Big G]

No

 

[Htowngriz]

No

So Villanova's one title game appearance and win makes them elite? You are really on a roll lately, chief.

 

[get'em_griz]

Elite FBS programs at this time is easy

Alabama


That is my list. All the other big programs are not winning titles. You might be able to add Auburn and LSU into this but that is it. Elite is elite, it is not for evey one.

OK what about FSU??? they just won it....I noticed you went on to make it a total of 3 programs....so I would say NDSU, Montana, and maybe Villanova or possibly SHSU...the others would have been App State and Georgia Southern...but they up and left.

Ndsu, App st and Georgia southern maybe Villanova but that is it. Montana is good but they are not elite and you can make a case for them to never have been. Griz had 2 good years in the last 20 and some years they won some games but really outside of the state never competed on a level like the schools listed. Thinking otherwise is pure poppycock.

LMAO you think a Villanova team who has only won ONE national championship, and made only ONE NC appearance is Elite, yet Montana isn't?! :lol: :lol: :wtf:

Since 1993, the Griz have won 30 playoff games, the second-most in FCS history. Montana owns the FCS record of 17-straight playoff appearances. And Montana may have only won 2 National Championships, but have made 7 total appearances in the title game. And you still think Villanova is in the same talk as NDSU, App State, or Georgia Southern? To think anything otherwise that Montana doesn't belong in the Elite status is insane. Now if you're saying that Montana isn't currently in the "Elite" status because we haven't done much recently, then you better scratch App State and Georgia Southern off of that list because, just like Montana according to you, they haven't done squat in recent years. :roll:

 

[mcg]

O.K., let's move on from the pissing contest about whether we are an elite program at present. Let's just agree to disagree.

But I would like to challenge contributors to this thread, and even non-contributing hacks like Everett, to comment on this:

Re-read my original post, including my formula for getting this program back on track towards greatness again. I maintain that, if our AD would implement my formula, we would be MUCH MORE DOMINANT three years from now than if we stay the course. Agree, or not agree?

As for my comment that any new head coach be required to keep 3 assistants, I am thinking that he would WANT TO keep the recruiting coordinator, Scott Cragg as the O-line coach, and Green as the RB coach. Since I am not sure who is the recruiting coordinator (it may be one of these two anyway), we may only have to require the new coach t keep 2 of the assistants.

Ok, I'll bite. Firing the head coach after 5-6 and 10-3 seasons and with a current season record of 5-2 is going to scare away many (most) potential coaches, and requiring the new coach to keep 'at least 3' current assistants will scare away the rest. It truly would be a bush-league way to do business, very non-elite. In my opinion it'd be a disaster, we'd go backwards.

 

[monte is a character]

If I am correct, and I think I am, Montana was never ranked lower than #5 pre-season for 20 straight years! If that was not elite, then what program was??? But that was in the past, and NOW is NOW! That is why I am so adamant about getting back to that level, and how to do so. It ain't gonna happen with this old man calling the shots with his 1980's offense.

 

[Dannyboy03867]

This thread is unbelievable. :delete:

 

[Raider]

No

So Villanova's one title game appearance and win makes them elite? You are really on a roll lately, chief.

He’s had trouble keeping his lies straight lately, so he has just decided to go off the deep end.

Not a bad approach really.