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[ilovethecats]

Digg, it literally says best FCS team SINCE 2012. Then ASKS how it will play out in the next ten years. No where in that graphic does it claim that NDSU will BE the best team in the next 10 years. Though I don't see that scenario as too far fetched either.

But I appreciate the explanation of how you interpreted what they were saying. :thumb:

Read the tweet of what they are asking. His barometer is how teams has performed since 2012. But that has no bearing on how a team will do next ten years. Like, I said past performance means nothing. Maybe the last year or so. I'm not arguing how good NDSU has been, I'm arguing how he can use a graphic that has no impact on the future, more so because it has James Madsion, and Sam Houston State on it. It's a lazy tweet, and I see others pointing on the same problem. He has two choices, either say how great teams have been in last 10 years or use other metrics to make a true prediction of how the next 10 years play out.

Ya I didn't read it that way at all. I read it meaning here are the best teams since 2012, and asking what it will look like 10 years from now. I didn't read the graphic as showing the tiers of what it will look like 10 years from now.

 

[garizzalies]

I know it's difficult for most of you to grasp, but pretty much everything they said in this podcast is dead on accurate.

Actually, a lot of it was misleading, possibly wrong, and sounded boarder-line immoral and illegal to me.
A huge focus was that the reporting has been great and everything has already been covered. As CDA pointed out, it seems like the reporter is mistaken in believing the second and third police reports have been released to the public. Where the fuck are they? Show me a link.
Was he just making that crap up?
I thought I heard him hint at saying he has them or requested them.

 

[garizzalies]

I did like the part where now that coach Mixer has pleaded out, skyline will officially editorialize his case.

It appears all that will be said about coach Mixer’s case is that he is a “good friend” for agreeing to drive the wrecked SUV. That is the type of in-depth and passionate sports analysis this conference deserves.

 

[SACCAT66]

Digg, it literally says best FCS team SINCE 2012. Then ASKS how it will play out in the next ten years. No where in that graphic does it claim that NDSU will BE the best team in the next 10 years. Though I don't see that scenario as too far fetched either.

But I appreciate the explanation of how you interpreted what they were saying. :thumb:

Read the tweet of what they are asking. His barometer is how teams has performed since 2012. But that has no bearing on how a team will do next ten years. Like, I said past performance means nothing. Maybe the last year or so. I'm not arguing how good NDSU has been, I'm arguing how he can use a graphic that has no impact on the future, more so because it has James Madsion, and Sam Houston State on it. It's a lazy tweet, and I see others pointing on the same problem. He has two choices, either say how great teams have been in last 10 years or use other metrics to make a true prediction of how the next 10 years play out.

He is asking "Who will be on this list after the next ten years" and using this list as a reference to how the last 10 years went.. He isn't basing his list on the past, but showing who WAS the best, to then ask if it will be the same, or maybe different.

 

[poorgriz]

I know it's difficult for most of you to grasp, but pretty much everything they said in this podcast is dead on accurate. Whey are so many griz fans freaking out over this and demanding answers NOW!!!? JEALOUSY.

MSU Admins told reporters directly that they are not answering questions on these matters until after the court proceedings. So do you really want Colter and others to throw those questions out at every interview to hear Vigen, Costello, or Crusado say, "No comment at this time."? What good would that do?

So that takes us to your anger over the MSU administration. They have a very specific protocol in place to deal with these legal matters. There are a lot of reasons for the protocols, not the least of which is protecting the university from lawsuits. The Kramer debacle paved the way for this, and they're damn sure not going to make that mistake again.

Not sure why all this is so hard for some of you to understand.

I call BS on the MSU protocols. Show us the "specific protocol". There is no way that all things of these types are handled the same way. They didn't even handle the first and second dui's the same way. Do you have what MSU said after the first dui, or how we got to know that there was some type of little suspension. I'm not sure I saw any official statement or announcement.

The Kramer matter is completely different.The AD tried to explain "why" Kramer had been fired, and Kramer and his attorney made an argument that Kramer was defamed. The court ruled that there had not been wrongful termination, I believe, or that's where it was headed.

If MSU had said more, they could have easily avoided that Kramer problem. And these guys didn't get fired anyway. "We are aware of the charges and are putting the coach on suspension with pay while we investigate or until the legal process has resolved the case." Where's the defamation there?

There is no right to have a one-year employment contract in MT, renewed. There is zero liability for not renewing a one-year contract. MSU could have let the DC contract expire and not renew. How hard would that have been?

Again, I was a lawyer for 45 years and advised in these kinds of situations multiple every year. Sometimes involving universities. I had access to 40 or 50 employment lawyers for advice when I needed it. My law firm has advised in tens of thousand of these cases.

Poor, much of what you are saying is wrong, and some is just plain stupid.

So you're saying Colter is full of Shi* too?

"The entire university has a protocol for exactly how to deal with these sorts of cases, and there's been a lot of vitriol that says these guys are just trying to sweep it under the rug. No, what they're trying to do is not get sued."

 

[Alaska Griz]

Sounds to me like they hit the nail right on the head on about every angle that has been discussed here on the matter.

Coming from a state where there is little drinking at most sporting events, notice I said little and not none, and a state with very strict DUI laws, I would say that the same story would have more legs here. However, I'm conflicted about how this is looked at from a Montana point of view.

We say that these are private lives, but they really are not. These are public people using public property while endangering the public. Thank goodness nobody lost their lives over it.

As was said in the podcast, The true story is how it has been handled by the system in Bozeman. This should have been resolved a long time ago.

Okay...., off my soap box now. :roll:

Precisely

 

[bgbigdog]

I was home for a part of a Montana Summer for three weeks over the 4th. After the umpteenth cross we drove by on the way to the Flathead, I got that question from my adult daughters. I stumbled a bit and because they had the internet in their hands, I got to listen to them tell me that by just about any measure, Montana ranks as the worst state in America for Drunk Driving. So yeah, it's clearly a significant problem. There are no shortage of stories around this, including the one I am linking here, which I just happened to read one morning about three weeks back.

https://dailyinterlake.com/news/2023/jul/30/state-dui-laws-do-not-reflect-urgency-issue/

If you're serious about this being a problem, and it sounds like many of you are, if you're in the 406, then it's time to focus some of that concern on the legislature and local representation. That the problem has gotten to this level, and all that has been done recently is passing a bill to limit someone's ability to sue a bar for overserving someone is a sad commentary on what Montanans find wrong with this. Conversely, get your ass picked up in AZ for drunk driving and find out what happens to your freedoms. There's a way of curtailing this a whole lot better, by actually punishing someone who gets caught engaging in it. Which is as you'll note from the article, a whole lot of times later than the time they do get stopped, if they do at all. Now it becomes finding some political will. And it's long past time.

Nuanez doesn't have to editorialize on this, I will. msDUI couldn't have f&$ked up handling these events any worse than they did. Offering contract extensions and raises after telling the community through the media that they needed to let things play out, is about as disengenous and tone-deaf as you can get. I'm not sure what's going to happen to either of them, but with the laws Montana has on the books currently, I would advise that we don't expect much. And even less from msDUI.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I call BS on the MSU protocols. Show us the "specific protocol". There is no way that all things of these types are handled the same way. They didn't even handle the first and second dui's the same way. Do you have what MSU said after the first dui, or how we got to know that there was some type of little suspension. I'm not sure I saw any official statement or announcement.

The Kramer matter is completely different.The AD tried to explain "why" Kramer had been fired, and Kramer and his attorney made an argument that Kramer was defamed. The court ruled that there had not been wrongful termination, I believe, or that's where it was headed.

If MSU had said more, they could have easily avoided that Kramer problem. And these guys didn't get fired anyway. "We are aware of the charges and are putting the coach on suspension with pay while we investigate or until the legal process has resolved the case." Where's the defamation there?

There is no right to have a one-year employment contract in MT, renewed. There is zero liability for not renewing a one-year contract. MSU could have let the DC contract expire and not renew. How hard would that have been?

Again, I was a lawyer for 45 years and advised in these kinds of situations multiple every year. Sometimes involving universities. I had access to 40 or 50 employment lawyers for advice when I needed it. My law firm has advised in tens of thousand of these cases.

Poor, much of what you are saying is wrong, and some is just plain stupid.

So you're saying Colter is full of Shi* too?

"The entire university has a protocol for exactly how to deal with these sorts of cases, and there's been a lot of vitriol that says these guys are just trying to sweep it under the rug. No, what they're trying to do is not get sued."

No, I am saying you are full of shit.

 

[3-7-77]

Has anyone else noticed that the great majority of scat trolls say Colter(spit) did a fair/balanced podcast, as opposed to the views of Griz posters. Go figure.

 

[Alaska Griz]

I know it's difficult for most of you to grasp, but pretty much everything they said in this podcast is dead on accurate. Whey are so many griz fans freaking out over this and demanding answers NOW!!!? JEALOUSY.

MSU Admins told reporters directly that they are not answering questions on these matters until after the court proceedings. So do you really want Colter and others to throw those questions out at every interview to hear Vigen, Costello, or Crusado say, "No comment at this time."? What good would that do?

So that takes us to your anger over the MSU administration. They have a very specific protocol in place to deal with these legal matters. There are a lot of reasons for the protocols, not the least of which is protecting the university from lawsuits. The Kramer debacle paved the way for this, and they're damn sure not going to make that mistake again.

Not sure why all this is so hard for some of you to understand.

Why do you do this to yourself? Grow a brain. MSU has already proven there is no strict adherence to any protocol, and that they are actually using that term to promote their own inaction. Vigen publicly commented on Garza's DUI (which would be against protocol) when it happened and even suggested that the one game suspension was a big deal.

It appears MSU realized how ignorant that statement was and decided it better if they say nothing about their lack of discipline taken towards a coach with his 3rd DUI, who incredibly was let go from his last two jobs for the same f**"ing thing. Then two more get in trouble, but they didn't punish the first guy so they can't randomly punish the most recent offenders without discrimination issues. Hence, this protocol of nothingness. Get a clue dude.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I call BS on the MSU protocols. Show us the "specific protocol". There is no way that all things of these types are handled the same way. They didn't even handle the first and second dui's the same way. Do you have what MSU said after the first dui, or how we got to know that there was some type of little suspension. I'm not sure I saw any official statement or announcement.

The Kramer matter is completely different.The AD tried to explain "why" Kramer had been fired, and Kramer and his attorney made an argument that Kramer was defamed. The court ruled that there had not been wrongful termination, I believe, or that's where it was headed.

If MSU had said more, they could have easily avoided that Kramer problem. And these guys didn't get fired anyway. "We are aware of the charges and are putting the coach on suspension with pay while we investigate or until the legal process has resolved the case." Where's the defamation there?

There is no right to have a one-year employment contract in MT, renewed. There is zero liability for not renewing a one-year contract. MSU could have let the DC contract expire and not renew. How hard would that have been?

Again, I was a lawyer for 45 years and advised in these kinds of situations multiple every year. Sometimes involving universities. I had access to 40 or 50 employment lawyers for advice when I needed it. My law firm has advised in tens of thousand of these cases.

Poor, much of what you are saying is wrong, and some is just plain stupid.

So you're saying Colter is full of Shi* too?

"The entire university has a protocol for exactly how to deal with these sorts of cases, and there's been a lot of vitriol that says these guys are just trying to sweep it under the rug. No, what they're trying to do is not get sued."

As I have mentioned, if that protocol is to give a DC with 3 DUI arrests a renewal and raise, the protocol will get them sued when they don't follow it in the future. That's what they aren't grasping. If I got popped for a DUI as an MSU coach, I would immediately sue if I didn't get a renewal and a raise with the charges pending.

 

[Alaska Griz]

I was home for a part of a Montana Summer for three weeks over the 4th. After the umpteenth cross we drove by on the way to the Flathead, I got that question from my adult daughters. I stumbled a bit and because they had the internet in their hands, I got to listen to them tell me that by just about any measure, Montana ranks as the worst state in America for Drunk Driving. So yeah, it's clearly a significant problem. There are no shortage of stories around this, including the one I am linking here, which I just happened to read one morning about three weeks back.

https://dailyinterlake.com/news/2023/jul/30/state-dui-laws-do-not-reflect-urgency-issue/

If you're serious about this being a problem, and it sounds like many of you are, if you're in the 406, then it's time to focus some of that concern on the legislature and local representation. That the problem has gotten to this level, and all that has been done recently is passing a bill to limit someone's ability to sue a bar for overserving someone is a sad commentary on what Montanans find wrong with this. Conversely, get your ass picked up in AZ for drunk driving and find out what happens to your freedoms. There's a way of curtailing this a whole lot better, by actually punishing someone who gets caught engaging in it. Which is as you'll note from the article, a whole lot of times later than the time they do get stopped, if they do at all. Now it becomes finding some political will. And it's long past time.

Nuanez doesn't have to editorialize on this, I will. msDUI couldn't have f&$ked up handling these events any worse than they did. Offering contract extensions and raises after telling the community through the media that they needed to let things play out, is about as disengenous and tone-deaf as you can get. I'm not sure what's going to happen to either of them, but with the laws Montana has on the books currently, I would advise that we don't expect much. And even less from msDUI.

This. Just one more of the insane moves by the MSdUi administration that has everyone scratching their collective heads. Are they actually trying to put black eyes on their program? I really just don't get it.

 

[poorgriz]

So you're saying Colter is full of Shi* too?

"The entire university has a protocol for exactly how to deal with these sorts of cases, and there's been a lot of vitriol that says these guys are just trying to sweep it under the rug. No, what they're trying to do is not get sued."

No, I am saying you are full of poop.

Ok, gotchya. That quote is from Colter, and I believe him.

 

[CatzWillRise]

I know it's difficult for most of you to grasp, but pretty much everything they said in this podcast is dead on accurate. Whey are so many griz fans freaking out over this and demanding answers NOW!!!? JEALOUSY.

MSU Admins told reporters directly that they are not answering questions on these matters until after the court proceedings. So do you really want Colter and others to throw those questions out at every interview to hear Vigen, Costello, or Crusado say, "No comment at this time."? What good would that do?

So that takes us to your anger over the MSU administration. They have a very specific protocol in place to deal with these legal matters. There are a lot of reasons for the protocols, not the least of which is protecting the university from lawsuits. The Kramer debacle paved the way for this, and they're damn sure not going to make that mistake again.

Not sure why all this is so hard for some of you to understand.

Why do you do this to yourself? Grow a brain. MSU has already proven there is no strict adherence to any protocol, and that they are actually using that term to promote their own inaction. Vigen publicly commented on Garza's DUI (which would be against protocol) when it happened and even suggested that the one game suspension was a big deal.

It appears MSU realized how ignorant that statement was and decided it better if they say nothing about their lack of discipline taken towards a coach with his 3rd DUI, who incredibly was let go from his last two jobs for the same f**"ing thing. Then two more get in trouble, but they didn't punish the first guy so they can't randomly punish the most recent offenders without discrimination issues. Hence, this protocol of nothingness. Get a clue dude.

The only statement or comment about Garza and it sort of had to be done because he was suspended for the upcoming playoff game, there would be tons of questions wondering where Garza was if he didn't come out and say he was suspended. Outside of that there hasn't been a peep.

"Head football coach Brent Vigen announced Monday morning he had suspended Garza for one game, but he offered no additional details at the time.

A statement from Bobcat Athletics on Tuesday read: "The university does not comment on personnel matters and won't have additional information about this matter beyond what we released previously."

So it's pretty consistent minus letting everybody know why he wasn't going to be coaching in the upcoming game.

Don't get me wrong I don't love all this silence but it's been pretty consistent, which has frustrated me.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

No, I am saying you are full of poop.

Ok, gotchya. That quote is from Colter, and I believe him.

What do you think their damages would be?

 

[Alaska Griz]

No, I am saying you are full of poop.

Ok, gotchya. That quote is from Colter, and I believe him.

Yes. Of course they will try and avoid being sued going forward. Duh. But that's not the point. They have botched this every step along the way instead of nipping it in the bud and being forthright and consistent. There is no actual protocol and THAT is why they are in this predicament.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Why do you do this to yourself? Grow a brain. MSU has already proven there is no strict adherence to any protocol, and that they are actually using that term to promote their own inaction. Vigen publicly commented on Garza's DUI (which would be against protocol) when it happened and even suggested that the one game suspension was a big deal.

It appears MSU realized how ignorant that statement was and decided it better if they say nothing about their lack of discipline taken towards a coach with his 3rd DUI, who incredibly was let go from his last two jobs for the same f**"ing thing. Then two more get in trouble, but they didn't punish the first guy so they can't randomly punish the most recent offenders without discrimination issues. Hence, this protocol of nothingness. Get a clue dude.

The only statement or comment about Garza and it sort of had to be done because he was suspended for the upcoming playoff game, there would be tons of questions wondering where Garza was if he didn't come out and say he was suspended. Outside of that there hasn't been a peep.

"Head football coach Brent Vigen announced Monday morning he had suspended Garza for one game, but he offered no additional details at the time.

A statement from Bobcat Athletics on Tuesday read: "The university does not comment on personnel matters and won't have additional information about this matter beyond what we released previously."

So it's pretty consistent minus letting everybody know why he wasn't going to be coaching in the upcoming game.

Don't get me wrong I don't love all this silence but it's been pretty consistent, which has frustrated me.

Have there been any questions about his renewal and raise with criminal charges pending? If not, why not?

 

[Alaska Griz]

Why do you do this to yourself? Grow a brain. MSU has already proven there is no strict adherence to any protocol, and that they are actually using that term to promote their own inaction. Vigen publicly commented on Garza's DUI (which would be against protocol) when it happened and even suggested that the one game suspension was a big deal.

It appears MSU realized how ignorant that statement was and decided it better if they say nothing about their lack of discipline taken towards a coach with his 3rd DUI, who incredibly was let go from his last two jobs for the same f**"ing thing. Then two more get in trouble, but they didn't punish the first guy so they can't randomly punish the most recent offenders without discrimination issues. Hence, this protocol of nothingness. Get a clue dude.

The only statement or comment about Garza and it sort of had to be done because he was suspended for the upcoming playoff game, there would be tons of questions wondering where Garza was if he didn't come out and say he was suspended. Outside of that there hasn't been a peep.

"Head football coach Brent Vigen announced Monday morning he had suspended Garza for one game, but he offered no additional details at the time.

A statement from Bobcat Athletics on Tuesday read: "The university does not comment on personnel matters and won't have additional information about this matter beyond what we released previously."

So it's pretty consistent minus letting everybody know why he wasn't going to be coaching in the upcoming game.

Don't get me wrong I don't love all this silence but it's been pretty consistent, which has frustrated me.

You conveniently left out the additional statements by Vigen about how missing a game is a really big deal for a coach, with no qualification of the offense. And yet the info you provided still proves my point. They chose to comment on Garza, and not the others. People are just as curious about Housewright's immediate punishment as Garzas. But it seems Vigen has asked the press not to mention it.

 

[CatsRback]

Read the tweet of what they are asking. His barometer is how teams has performed since 2012. But that has no bearing on how a team will do next ten years. Like, I said past performance means nothing. Maybe the last year or so. I'm not arguing how good NDSU has been, I'm arguing how he can use a graphic that has no impact on the future, more so because it has James Madsion, and Sam Houston State on it. It's a lazy tweet, and I see others pointing on the same problem. He has two choices, either say how great teams have been in last 10 years or use other metrics to make a true prediction of how the next 10 years play out.

Ya I didn't read it that way at all. I read it meaning here are the best teams since 2012, and asking what it will look like 10 years from now. I didn't read the graphic as showing the tiers of what it will look like 10 years from now.

It’s not you it’s oredigger…. It’s literally stating the top tiers the last 10 years (with accuracy) and the caption is asking how the next 10 will go. Basically allowing for the forum to comment who will dethrone NDSU.

 

[CatsRback]

I call BS on the MSU protocols. Show us the "specific protocol". There is no way that all things of these types are handled the same way. They didn't even handle the first and second dui's the same way. Do you have what MSU said after the first dui, or how we got to know that there was some type of little suspension. I'm not sure I saw any official statement or announcement.

The Kramer matter is completely different.The AD tried to explain "why" Kramer had been fired, and Kramer and his attorney made an argument that Kramer was defamed. The court ruled that there had not been wrongful termination, I believe, or that's where it was headed.

If MSU had said more, they could have easily avoided that Kramer problem. And these guys didn't get fired anyway. "We are aware of the charges and are putting the coach on suspension with pay while we investigate or until the legal process has resolved the case." Where's the defamation there?

There is no right to have a one-year employment contract in MT, renewed. There is zero liability for not renewing a one-year contract. MSU could have let the DC contract expire and not renew. How hard would that have been?

Again, I was a lawyer for 45 years and advised in these kinds of situations multiple every year. Sometimes involving universities. I had access to 40 or 50 employment lawyers for advice when I needed it. My law firm has advised in tens of thousand of these cases.

Poor, much of what you are saying is wrong, and some is just plain stupid.

So you're saying Colter is full of Shi* too?

"The entire university has a protocol for exactly how to deal with these sorts of cases, and there's been a lot of vitriol that says these guys are just trying to sweep it under the rug. No, what they're trying to do is not get sued."

Everyone outside this forum is Full of Sh*t…. Don’t you get it? The gris are back so the media is full of it, Cat fans should believe after the last 6 years that UM is clearly back, the national media gives them no respect. 8-5 and top 6 in the conference is a big deal! They have their QB, trust them!! They’re extremely deep on the Oline and have incredible play makers like… well, that one guy…you know? With the face? Colter who has done amazing reporting on both teams isn’t pandering to UM and trying to crush the cats so he’s a traitor. Bobby is garnering NFL interest and everyone loves him. UM has never been in a better spot. The Gris aren’t acting like grown man babies, they’re all calm as a cucumber and totally enjoying the riches of their academic and athletic departments…. It’s everyone else.