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[mthoopsfan]

Ok, one area of this mess we seem to be all on the same page about is how in the heck did Garza get a new contract and a raise. Is there anyone on here that knows anything about the renewal process? It is probably the same for both schools. I have heard that the school must send out an non-renewal notice so many days before it expires. I don't know if it is 90 days, but it is a considerable time period. Is it possible that because of this and the time the incident happened they did not meet the time period and they had to offer him a contract? Also, does his previous contract have a clause about an automatic percent of salary increase upon renewal? Is that something they normally build into these contracts? I can't fathom for the life of me why the school would renew the contract with a raise in this situation if this was not the case. Seriously, if anyone has any real knowledge or experience in this area, can you please share. Thanks!

I can't imagine that asst coach contracts automatically renew or have built in raises. Head coach contracts don't even do that, to my knowledge.

 

[UncleRico]

Yeah, but making the Elite 8 means the team was poop, and that means the Bobcat leadership is making good decisions, duh! What an idiot, what a fudge idiot.

“It was unfair that GU suspended coach Few before they knew all the facts. Should’ve been able to coach with absolutely no punishment indefinitely until they learned all the facts.”

-Bobcat Leadership probably

You obviously don’t get sarcasm. I said he was suspended 3 games and Gonzaga was the Sh*ts, like hahaha it doesn’t matter if they get rid or suspend the MSU coaches the team is still gonna be there. Your lefty unicorn board won’t even let the word sh*t fly, because that would upset the tranny using the girls bathroom at wagris stadium. Equity and inclusion are the key cogs that hold you and Everett together. A bunch of tards.

Everytime I read your posts I envision dueling banjos in the background .

 

[mthoopsfan]

You seem cool. I'm not trying to attack you personally or anything. But speaking just within the logic of the conversation you are having, I would put forward that games have never been vacated due to multiple coaching staff DUIs because usually coaches are pushed to resign over that kind of stuff in the modern Era.

Now, I'm not saying they should be vacated. I think vacating wins is the stupidest thing in NCAA sports, and that is saying something. But it is a bit hard to square saying "they shouldn't vacate wins for this because teams never vacate wins for stuff like this." The truth is, this sort of thing has never been acceptable for any other coaching staff in the modern era, to my knowledge.

Again, no hate to you as a person brother. Just commenting on the logic within what is being said. This whole thing has gotten really, really weird.

Mark Few got a dui last summer blowing like a .2, he got suspended for three games and his team was the poop. He still is keeping on with Gonzaga, I bet they suck this year to.You gris sympathizers need to try harder, I mean seriously. Griz fan base good, egriz posters a bunch of whiney never has been bitches.

Hey, liar. This is what Few blew: "He was later given two breathalyzer tests, which came back as .119 and .120." He was hardly over the limit. Not even close to .20. Get out of here with your BS.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The ‘too smart to keep coaches with criminal charges when they could replace them with better coaches’ part is gold. IDK if he even realizes he’s calling the MSU leadership idiots.

And, apparently too dumb to replace weak coaches with better coaches. That seems very dumb to me.

Yes. That was the part I thought was funny.

 

[3-7-77]

Well, MooUBaby hasn't posted in two hours.
Either the mods pulled his plug, or he realized thatCDA and hoops were pulverizing him. Like a tag team boxing match in which he, the drunk mouthy bar fly, has picked a fight with Muhammad Ali and George Foreman(both in their prime). A really stupid idea, but par for his level of judgment, IMO.
Maybe he should have one of those interlock devices hooked up to his internet access.

 

[garizzalies]

Ok, one area of this mess we seem to be all on the same page about is how in the heck did Garza get a new contract and a raise. Is there anyone on here that knows anything about the renewal process? It is probably the same for both schools. I have heard that the school must send out an non-renewal notice so many days before it expires. I don't know if it is 90 days, but it is a considerable time period. Is it possible that because of this and the time the incident happened they did not meet the time period and they had to offer him a contract? Also, does his previous contract have a clause about an automatic percent of salary increase upon renewal? Is that something they normally build into these contracts? I can't fathom for the life of me why the school would renew the contract with a raise in this situation if this was not the case. Seriously, if anyone has any real knowledge or experience in this area, can you please share. Thanks!

This is cute. You took the time to conjure up some conjecture but didn’t actually do the math?
With a 90 day notice period, wouldn’t that mean the bubs had months to make a decision before the notice deadline? Guzzler got arrested in November 2022 and the raise was announced in May 2023, about six months later. It was not some surprise or rushed decision. Try again.

 

[bigsky33]

Ok, one area of this mess we seem to be all on the same page about is how in the heck did Garza get a new contract and a raise. Is there anyone on here that knows anything about the renewal process? It is probably the same for both schools. I have heard that the school must send out an non-renewal notice so many days before it expires. I don't know if it is 90 days, but it is a considerable time period. Is it possible that because of this and the time the incident happened they did not meet the time period and they had to offer him a contract? Also, does his previous contract have a clause about an automatic percent of salary increase upon renewal? Is that something they normally build into these contracts? I can't fathom for the life of me why the school would renew the contract with a raise in this situation if this was not the case. Seriously, if anyone has any real knowledge or experience in this area, can you please share. Thanks!

I can't imagine that asst coach contracts automatically renew or have built in raises. Head coach contracts don't even do that, to my knowledge.

Like I said Hoops, I only know what I heard.about contracts. I heard the process is the same for all contracted employees in the University system that the intent to non renew letter must go out so many days prior to expiration to be effected. Maybe in an agreement with the Union? And I don’t have any idea if percent pay raises are part of employee contracts. Those are the only reasons I could ever see that would give Garza a new contract or raise. At some point they are going to have to explain their actions!

 

[bigsky33]

Ok, one area of this mess we seem to be all on the same page about is how in the heck did Garza get a new contract and a raise. Is there anyone on here that knows anything about the renewal process? It is probably the same for both schools. I have heard that the school must send out an non-renewal notice so many days before it expires. I don't know if it is 90 days, but it is a considerable time period. Is it possible that because of this and the time the incident happened they did not meet the time period and they had to offer him a contract? Also, does his previous contract have a clause about an automatic percent of salary increase upon renewal? Is that something they normally build into these contracts? I can't fathom for the life of me why the school would renew the contract with a raise in this situation if this was not the case. Seriously, if anyone has any real knowledge or experience in this area, can you please share. Thanks!

This is cute. You took the time to conjure up some conjecture but didn’t actually do the math?
With a 90 day notice period, wouldn’t that mean the bubs had months to make a decision before the notice deadline? Guzzler got arrested in November 2022 and the raise was announced in May 2023, about six months later. It was not some surprise or rushed decision. Try again.

I am not trying to conjure up anything. I am trying to understand the process for University employees. I am looking to see if anyone knows how contracts actually work. Like I said, they are going to have to explain their actions sooner or later. It is going to be interesting.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

This is cute. You took the time to conjure up some conjecture but didn’t actually do the math?
With a 90 day notice period, wouldn’t that mean the bubs had months to make a decision before the notice deadline? Guzzler got arrested in November 2022 and the raise was announced in May 2023, about six months later. It was not some surprise or rushed decision. Try again.

I am not trying to conjure up anything. I am trying to understand the process for University employees. I am looking to see if anyone knows how contracts actually work. Like I said, they are going to have to explain their actions sooner or later. It is going to be interesting.

Well, it’s been almost 300 days since the DC got arrested for the trifecta, and they haven’t had to explain shit because people are too afraid to ask. Plus, he got a raise. They will never have to explain it. Backwoods stuff.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I can't imagine that asst coach contracts automatically renew or have built in raises. Head coach contracts don't even do that, to my knowledge.

Like I said Hoops, I only know what I heard.about contracts. I heard the process is the same for all contracted employees in the University system that the intent to non renew letter must go out so many days prior to expiration to be effected. Maybe in an agreement with the Union? And I don’t have any idea if percent pay raises are part of employee contracts. Those are the only reasons I could ever see that would give Garza a new contract or raise. At some point they are going to have to explain their actions!

Nope. It's not the same for all employees. Coaches aren't in unions. Athletic directors may have the termination notice provision. O'Day did.

 

[poorgriz]

So they should be punished before all the facts come out and they have their day in court? I thought you were an attorney. I can't count the number of times throughout the years where you were quick to jump in and defend all the griz players that got in trouble throughout the years, telling everyone to wait and see how good the lawyers could do and see what the legal rulings ended up being. I've posted on here multiple times that the optics aren't good on this but I want to know all the details of both cases..... especially Housewright. What if you got arrested for something, and your company made you stop working until you had your day in court, and then the court found you not guilty. Wouldn't you be pissed?

At the least, they should have been suspended. And people get "punished" all the time before "all the facts come out" and before they have "their day in court". Almost no organization waits until someone in this situation has their day in court. I was an attorney for 45 years. I've advised in situations like this 100's of times, and our law firm 1000's of times, including universities.

Every, or almost every, Griz player was suspended immediately, and sometimes sanctioned. I never said that everyone should wait until the legal proceedings were done. I sometimes knew the facts, and said that the charges would be dropped or reduced. In every single case in which there was a charge, I was right when I spoke up, to my knowledge.

Because I am a lawyer and advised clients in situations like this, I know what MSU has said is total BS. In fact, as I said, some of what they said is a borderline lie.

No, if I had been charged with something I had done and/or would probably have to plea to or would probably be convicted of, I would expect to be suspended or sanctioned. With or without pay, depending on the situation. Only if I hadn't done what was charged, or knew I would not be convicted, and was able to persuade my employer, would I feel otherwise. Had the charges been BS or likely to be dropped fairly quickly, they would have been dropped by now.

Look what happened to Ty Gregorak at UNLV. Which Griz who got charged with a dui, didn't get suspended fairly quickly? Did the house break-in Griz get their day in court before being booted from the team?

Got ya. So just for the record - is it your stance that any college coach that gets charged with DUI should automatically be suspended until the legal process in finalized, and then go from there?

 

[3-7-77]

How about treating EVERYONE the same?

 

[EverettGriz]

You obviously don’t get sarcasm. I said he was suspended 3 games and Gonzaga was the Sh*ts, like hahaha it doesn’t matter if they get rid or suspend the MSU coaches the team is still gonna be there. Your lefty unicorn board won’t even let the word sh*t fly, because that would upset the tranny using the girls bathroom at wagris stadium. Equity and inclusion are the key cogs that hold you and Everett together. A bunch of tards.

Everytime I read your posts I envision dueling banjos in the background .

This is a top-shelf post. Rico put into words what each of us were thinking, but couldn't quite explain.

 

[EverettGriz]

At the least, they should have been suspended. And people get "punished" all the time before "all the facts come out" and before they have "their day in court". Almost no organization waits until someone in this situation has their day in court. I was an attorney for 45 years. I've advised in situations like this 100's of times, and our law firm 1000's of times, including universities.

Every, or almost every, Griz player was suspended immediately, and sometimes sanctioned. I never said that everyone should wait until the legal proceedings were done. I sometimes knew the facts, and said that the charges would be dropped or reduced. In every single case in which there was a charge, I was right when I spoke up, to my knowledge.

Because I am a lawyer and advised clients in situations like this, I know what MSU has said is total BS. In fact, as I said, some of what they said is a borderline lie.

No, if I had been charged with something I had done and/or would probably have to plea to or would probably be convicted of, I would expect to be suspended or sanctioned. With or without pay, depending on the situation. Only if I hadn't done what was charged, or knew I would not be convicted, and was able to persuade my employer, would I feel otherwise. Had the charges been BS or likely to be dropped fairly quickly, they would have been dropped by now.

Look what happened to Ty Gregorak at UNLV. Which Griz who got charged with a dui, didn't get suspended fairly quickly? Did the house break-in Griz get their day in court before being booted from the team?

Got ya. So just for the record - is it your stance that any college coach that gets charged with DUI should automatically be suspended until the legal process in finalized, and then go from there?

For the first one or the third one? Did they crash a state vehicle and flee the scene? Have they been fired from 3 previous jobs? Should they never have been employed in Montana in the first place? Did they immediately lawyer up or did they instead man-up and plead guilty? Did they cover up evidence? Did they involve a subordinate in their scheme to avoid their felony hit and run? So many unaddressed variables in your question.

 

[mthoopsfan]

At the least, they should have been suspended. And people get "punished" all the time before "all the facts come out" and before they have "their day in court". Almost no organization waits until someone in this situation has their day in court. I was an attorney for 45 years. I've advised in situations like this 100's of times, and our law firm 1000's of times, including universities.

Every, or almost every, Griz player was suspended immediately, and sometimes sanctioned. I never said that everyone should wait until the legal proceedings were done. I sometimes knew the facts, and said that the charges would be dropped or reduced. In every single case in which there was a charge, I was right when I spoke up, to my knowledge.

Because I am a lawyer and advised clients in situations like this, I know what MSU has said is total BS. In fact, as I said, some of what they said is a borderline lie.

No, if I had been charged with something I had done and/or would probably have to plea to or would probably be convicted of, I would expect to be suspended or sanctioned. With or without pay, depending on the situation. Only if I hadn't done what was charged, or knew I would not be convicted, and was able to persuade my employer, would I feel otherwise. Had the charges been BS or likely to be dropped fairly quickly, they would have been dropped by now.

Look what happened to Ty Gregorak at UNLV. Which Griz who got charged with a dui, didn't get suspended fairly quickly? Did the house break-in Griz get their day in court before being booted from the team?

Got ya. So just for the record - is it your stance that any college coach that gets charged with DUI should automatically be suspended until the legal process in finalized, and then go from there?

No. It would depend on the facts and a quick evaluation of situation including getting some input from counsel for the coach. Likely some suspension. Likely announcement of the action taken and some info on what’s going on. Probably no raise or renewal except possible conditional renewal. If it looked like dui would be dropped or renewed quickly, then probably less action taken.

MSU’s relative silence and inaction is a bad route and is hurting MSU. Each dui had had exacerbating facts. Way worse than Few’s. Unless it was likely that the DC’s charge was going to go away quickly, he should have been pushed to resign or fired. His third? Please. Sorry guys. You F’ed up. Resolve the charges or move on.

The DC should never have gotten a raise. Suspending an asst coach for a longer period of time is not a big deal.

What is MSU going to do if these guys get convicted.? Doing what MSU has done appears to be a huge mistake.

Times have changed.

 

[bigsky33]

Like I said Hoops, I only know what I heard.about contracts. I heard the process is the same for all contracted employees in the University system that the intent to non renew letter must go out so many days prior to expiration to be effected. Maybe in an agreement with the Union? And I don’t have any idea if percent pay raises are part of employee contracts. Those are the only reasons I could ever see that would give Garza a new contract or raise. At some point they are going to have to explain their actions!

Nope. It's not the same for all employees. Coaches aren't in unions. Athletic directors may have the termination notice provision. O'Day did.

Thanks for clarifying. They must have their reasons for doing what they did. I agree, transparency would have gone a long way. The lack of it is hard to fathom. Horrible optics.

 

[poorgriz]

Got ya. So just for the record - is it your stance that any college coach that gets charged with DUI should automatically be suspended until the legal process in finalized, and then go from there?

No. It would depend on the facts and a quick evaluation of situation including getting some input from counsel for the coach. Likely some suspension. Likely announcement of the action taken and some info on what’s going on. Probably no raise or renewal except possible conditional renewal. If it looked like dui would be dropped or renewed quickly, then probably less action taken.

MSU’s relative silence and inaction is a bad route and is hurting MSU. Each dui had had exacerbating facts. Way worse than Few’s. Unless it was likely that the DC’s charge was going to go away quickly, he should have been pushed to resign or fired. His third? Please. Sorry guys. You F’ed up. Resolve the charges or move on.

The DC should never have gotten a raise. Suspending an asst coach for a longer period of time is not a big deal.

What is MSU going to do if these guys get convicted.? Doing what MSU has done appears to be a huge mistake.

Times have changed.

So it all depends on the situation, and we all know very little of these situations that happened with MSU coaches. The few details we do know, as I stated earlier, the optics aren't good. I know there are more details to exactly what transpired in both cases, and that information will come out. I have no idea about the raise thing, but at some point Vigen and\or Costello will have to explain that.

As stated, I don't know any more than what was reported, have just heard some complaints, unsubstantiated rumors about the way the cops handled the situation. This should all come out via review of vest cam, dash cam, etc.

Here is what I can promise you though. When Waded, Costello, and Vigen had a meeting after this happened, at no point in that meeting did Waded ask..... "So if we do the suspension thing, how is that going to impact the Win\Loss record?" Despite what CDA and a bunch of others are posting. (I know CDA doesn't actually believe this is how it went down, as he just plays that card to get a rise out of the Cat posters on here, as that's his schtick) Cue his funny bunny creative post in 3..2..1..

 

[mthoopsfan]

No. It would depend on the facts and a quick evaluation of situation including getting some input from counsel for the coach. Likely some suspension. Likely announcement of the action taken and some info on what’s going on. Probably no raise or renewal except possible conditional renewal. If it looked like dui would be dropped or renewed quickly, then probably less action taken.

MSU’s relative silence and inaction is a bad route and is hurting MSU. Each dui had had exacerbating facts. Way worse than Few’s. Unless it was likely that the DC’s charge was going to go away quickly, he should have been pushed to resign or fired. His third? Please. Sorry guys. You F’ed up. Resolve the charges or move on.

The DC should never have gotten a raise. Suspending an asst coach for a longer period of time is not a big deal.

What is MSU going to do if these guys get convicted.? Doing what MSU has done appears to be a huge mistake.

Times have changed.

So it all depends on the situation, and we all know very little of these situations that happened with MSU coaches. The few details we do know, as I stated earlier, the optics aren't good. I know there are more details to exactly what transpired in both cases, and that information will come out. I have no idea about the raise thing, but at some point Vigen and\or Costello will have to explain that.

As stated, I don't know any more than what was reported, have just heard some complaints, unsubstantiated rumors about the way the cops handled the situation. This should all come out via review of vest cam, dash cam, etc.

Here is what I can promise you though. When Waded, Costello, and Vigen had a meeting after this happened, at no point in that meeting did Waded ask..... "So if we do the suspension thing, how is that going to impact the Win\Loss record?" Despite what CDA and a bunch of others are posting. (I know CDA doesn't actually believe this is how it went down, as he just plays that card to get a rise out of the Cat posters on here, as that's his schtick) Cue his funny bunny creative post in 3..2..1..

No, it doesn't all depend on the situation. But one rule or size does not fit all. In situations like this, it doesn't take more than a few days or week to find out enough about the facts and then decide what to do as the first step of action and communication.

Prolonged inaction and little or no communication is never the way to go, in this type of situation. The incident festers and gets worse, and cuts off future options. If MSU knew that it was highly likely that the charges would be dropped or get very reduced within a few weeks or a month, then waiting would probably be okay. That didn't occur. Instead MSU got another coach dui charge and a 3d criminal issue. MSU has totally botched this.

Coaches, presidents and people don't have to ask questions like you said what wasn't asked. They have that in their heads and are influenced when they make and recommend decisions. Smart people know that the longer you lose your DC or OC is going to impact the team. Your supposedly smart president knows that, even if she doesn't know much about sports.

I must admit that I have never seen so many dumb arguments and dumb comments by a poster on a single topic.

 

[nzone]

Awe yes….blame the police. Good approach :thumb:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Nope. It's not the same for all employees. Coaches aren't in unions. Athletic directors may have the termination notice provision. O'Day did.

Thanks for clarifying. They must have their reasons for doing what they did. I agree, transparency would have gone a long way. The lack of it is hard to fathom. Horrible optics.

Agreed. WAAC.