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[uofmman1122]

it is common for cases to take an extended amount of time to get tried or adjudicated, nothing unusual about that. I don't ever remember 3 being a felony, you are probably thinking of 3 domestic violence charges being a felony. Speedy trial comes into play but both sides end up waiving the speedy trail. a speedy trial is like 6 1/2 months so again not sure this is unusual especially considering the case load on courts in any of Montana's bigger towns.

So 3-7-77 you are correct, dui's are misdemeanors in Montana on 2nd & 3rd offense. Not sure what that means for Garza, but I don't believe MT will count his awesome stats from other states. The rest of your post is either trolling or stupidity, but based on other your posts in this thread I'll give you grace that you're really not that stupid. You once asked if I was born an asshole - take a good look at your posts & ask yourself if there's even a hint of altruism in them? Maybe you should take a break. For the record, this collective group of griz fans who claim to loathe the Cats & all things Cats are running a thread about said Cats under the premise that drinking and driving is a bad, bad thing - which is absolutely true - but the truth of the matter, as some have actually admitted to, is that you have an unhealthy dose of schaedenfreude - and have fallen into the same pit of dispare Cat fans suffered through those many, many years ago. You all have collectively become the fan base you so often, to this day, blast & despise! By the way, this isn't a story anywhere else, just on Egriz. Hmmm, why could that be? Flack jacket going on now.....

This isn't the own you think it is.

 

[Alaska Griz]

it is common for cases to take an extended amount of time to get tried or adjudicated, nothing unusual about that. I don't ever remember 3 being a felony, you are probably thinking of 3 domestic violence charges being a felony. Speedy trial comes into play but both sides end up waiving the speedy trail. a speedy trial is like 6 1/2 months so again not sure this is unusual especially considering the case load on courts in any of Montana's bigger towns.

So 3-7-77 you are correct, dui's are misdemeanors in Montana on 2nd & 3rd offense. Not sure what that means for Garza, but I don't believe MT will count his awesome stats from other states. The rest of your post is either trolling or stupidity, but based on other your posts in this thread I'll give you grace that you're really not that stupid. You once asked if I was born an asshole - take a good look at your posts & ask yourself if there's even a hint of altruism in them? Maybe you should take a break. For the record, this collective group of griz fans who claim to loathe the Cats & all things Cats are running a thread about said Cats under the premise that drinking and driving is a bad, bad thing - which is absolutely true - but the truth of the matter, as some have actually admitted to, is that you have an unhealthy dose of schaedenfreude - and have fallen into the same pit of dispare Cat fans suffered through those many, many years ago. You all have collectively become the fan base you so often, to this day, blast & despise! By the way, this isn't a story anywhere else, just on Egriz. Hmmm, why could that be? Flack jacket going on now.....

I think you have it backwards. I think it's the fact that as you said, "this isn't a story anywhere else," despite its significance is what has in fact made it a story. The appearance that your university has made a policy to gloss over these things instead of using them as teachable moments is frankly odd. What do the conversations between your coaches and players look like when it comes to responsibility and owning their actions? The difference I see in the fanbases is that if these were Griz coaches getting arrested left and right, there would be immense pressure for Bobby to address it. And he would. The lack of response by your fan base and leadership exemplifies the suffering over many years that you speak of. They will do anything to hold on to what little successes they have achieved and are terrified of backpedaling before anything great has actually taken place. But thank you for pointing out that willie likely has one more DUI to go before it's considered serious.

 

[uptopgriz]

Funny as hell. You all want MSU to do exactly what UM did to Pflu and Johnson before it was all adjudicated. UM still hasn't recovered from the lack of restraint by their administration.

 

[garizzalies]

Funny as hell. You all want MSU to do exactly what UM did to Pflu and Johnson before it was all adjudicated. UM still hasn't recovered from the lack of restraint by their administration.

Spoken like a true bubzcat. Total opposites.
Everyone knows Pflu/JJ did nothing wrong.
While the whole world also knows your three stooges are as guilty as OJ.

One was a witch hunt, the other is a coverup.

UM has always had a respectable staff with strong MT ties.

You got a bunch of crooked out-of-staters over there setting a horrible example

 

[mthoopsfan]

Funny as hell. You all want MSU to do exactly what UM did to Pflu and Johnson before it was all adjudicated. UM still hasn't recovered from the lack of restraint by their administration.

There was nothing to be adjudicated for Pflu. And Johnson returned to playing after one season. And was allowed to keep his scholarship and stay in school in the interim. He was suspended for part of a year. This is what many Griz fans are suggesting for MSU. Suspend until the coach cases are adjudicated.

Man, your comment was brain dead.

 

[uptopgriz]

Funny as hell. You all want MSU to do exactly what UM did to Pflu and Johnson before it was all adjudicated. UM still hasn't recovered from the lack of restraint by their administration.

There was nothing to be adjudicated for Pflu. And Johnson returned to playing after one season. And was allowed to keep his scholarship and stay in school in the interim. He was suspended for part of a year. This is what many Griz fans are suggesting for MSU. Suspend until the coach cases are adjudicated.

Man, your comment was brain dead.

All of the decisions made by the administration to suspend and terminate Johnson, Pflu, and O'Day were horrible. The University as a whole and especially the football program have never recovered.

 

[garizzalies]

There was nothing to be adjudicated for Pflu. And Johnson returned to playing after one season. And was allowed to keep his scholarship and stay in school in the interim. He was suspended for part of a year. This is what many Griz fans are suggesting for MSU. Suspend until the coach cases are adjudicated.

Man, your comment was brain dead.

All of the decisions made by the administration to suspend and terminate Johnson, Pflu, and O'Day were horrible. The University as a whole and especially the football program have never recovered.

Exactly. That’s how witch hunts go.

Your three stooges are all guilty AF.

And it’s a horrible decision to do nothing. That’s how coverups go.

 

[Raider]

There was nothing to be adjudicated for Pflu. And Johnson returned to playing after one season. And was allowed to keep his scholarship and stay in school in the interim. He was suspended for part of a year. This is what many Griz fans are suggesting for MSU. Suspend until the coach cases are adjudicated.

Man, your comment was brain dead.

All of the decisions made by the administration to suspend and terminate Johnson, Pflu, and O'Day were horrible. The University as a whole and especially the football program have never recovered.

Prior nonsense and bogus persona aside, there is no way you can argue with anything uptop said here.

The impetuous and hasty actions by the administration regarding Pflu, O’Day and Johnson were disgraceful and may have irreparably damaged the football program and the university as a whole.

Sorry, but there is no way to argue otherwise.

 

[bgbigdog]

All of the decisions made by the administration to suspend and terminate Johnson, Pflu, and O'Day were horrible. The University as a whole and especially the football program have never recovered.

Prior nonsense and bogus persona aside, there is no way you can argue with anything uptop said here.

The impetuous and hasty actions by the administration regarding Pflu, O’Day and Johnson were disgraceful and may have irreparably damaged the football program and the university as a whole.

Sorry, but there is no way to argue otherwise.

No need to be sorry.

 

[EverettGriz]

All of the decisions made by the administration to suspend and terminate Johnson, Pflu, and O'Day were horrible. The University as a whole and especially the football program have never recovered.

Prior nonsense and bogus persona aside, there is no way you can argue with anything uptop said here.

The impetuous and hasty actions by the administration regarding Pflu, O’Day and Johnson were disgraceful and may have irreparably damaged the football program and the university as a whole.

Sorry, but there is no way to argue otherwise.

Well, the program had to suspend JJ until his trial. He was charged with sexual assault. You simply cannot have a player on your team facing sexual assault charges.

I mean, that would be like not suspending coaches with 3 DUIs, a prior term for cheating, destruction of evidence and a host of other charges. And no organization could even fathom of doing tha....

Wait.

 

[Raider]

Prior nonsense and bogus persona aside, there is no way you can argue with anything uptop said here.

The impetuous and hasty actions by the administration regarding Pflu, O’Day and Johnson were disgraceful and may have irreparably damaged the football program and the university as a whole.

Sorry, but there is no way to argue otherwise.

Well, the program had to suspend JJ until his trial. He was charged with the deed assault. You simply cannot have a player on your team facing the deed assault charges.

I mean, that would be like not suspending coaches with 3 DUIs, a prior term for cheating, destruction of evidence and a host of other charges. And no organization could even fathom of doing tha....

Wait.

Semantics at this point, but if memory serves, JJ was expelled by the UM kangaroo court even prior to being formally charged. Again, I could be off on that.

Either way, the impulsive actions of Engstrom in handling Pflu and O-Day set the program in a downspin it has yet to recover from, and maybe never will.

 

[uofmman1122]

Well, the program had to suspend JJ until his trial. He was charged with the deed assault. You simply cannot have a player on your team facing the deed assault charges.

I mean, that would be like not suspending coaches with 3 DUIs, a prior term for cheating, destruction of evidence and a host of other charges. And no organization could even fathom of doing tha....

Wait.

Semantics at this point, but if memory serves, JJ was expelled by the UM kangaroo court even prior to being formally charged. Again, I could be off on that.

Either way, the impulsive actions of Engstrom in handling Pflu and O-Day set the program in a downspin it has yet to recover from, and maybe never will.

I think the large distinction here that makes this whole comparison fucking ridiculous on its face is that Pflugrad and O'Day were never accused of or committed a crime while employed at UM.

MSU already has more cause to fire their AD and head coach than Engstrom did when he fired O'Day and Pflugrad. The situations are not comparable at all.

 

[mthoopsfan]

All of the decisions made by the administration to suspend and terminate Johnson, Pflu, and O'Day were horrible. The University as a whole and especially the football program have never recovered.

Prior nonsense and bogus persona aside, there is no way you can argue with anything uptop said here.

The impetuous and hasty actions by the administration regarding Pflu, O’Day and Johnson were disgraceful and may have irreparably damaged the football program and the university as a whole.

Sorry, but there is no way to argue otherwise.

Johnson was charged criminally with rape. No program on Earth would have allowed him to play. He was lucky his attorney persuaded UM to allow to stay in school and keep his scholarship during that time.

 

[Alaska Griz]

All of the decisions made by the administration to suspend and terminate Johnson, Pflu, and O'Day were horrible. The University as a whole and especially the football program have never recovered.

Prior nonsense and bogus persona aside, there is no way you can argue with anything uptop said here.

The impetuous and hasty actions by the administration regarding Pflu, O’Day and Johnson were disgraceful and may have irreparably damaged the football program and the university as a whole.

Sorry, but there is no way to argue otherwise.

No one even argued the comment you're referring to, lol. Have never heard anyone say the administration didn't screw UM.

 

[Copper Griz]

All of the decisions made by the administration to suspend and terminate Johnson, Pflu, and O'Day were horrible. The University as a whole and especially the football program have never recovered.

Prior nonsense and bogus persona aside, there is no way you can argue with anything uptop said here.

The impetuous and hasty actions by the administration regarding Pflu, O’Day and Johnson were disgraceful and may have irreparably damaged the football program and the university as a whole.

Sorry, but there is no way to argue otherwise.

Actually there is a huge difference. DUI’s are directly observed by an officer of the law. The alleged sexual assault was not. I trust Montana’s law enforcement officers, especially those in an area like Bozeman. They have funding and excellent training. Plus JJ wasn’t on his third sexual assault charge. Seems like you are comparing an apple to an orange, but whatever. Let it play out. The damage for MSU has already been done.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Funny as hell. You all want MSU to do exactly what UM did to Pflu and Johnson before it was all adjudicated. UM still hasn't recovered from the lack of restraint by their administration.

This is 100% facts. Engstrom was the worst thing to happen to this university. He ran it into the ground while he was here and his quick jump to not renew ODay and Phlu are decisions were still recovering from.

Also MSU has good practice in this field after the Kramer debacle. Everyone hates it but they’re probably handling this like they should. Legally

 

[3-7-77]

Funny as hell. You all want MSU to do exactly what UM did to Pflu and Johnson before it was all adjudicated. UM still hasn't recovered from the lack of restraint by their administration.

This is 100% facts. Engstrom was the worst thing to happen to this university. He ran it into the ground while he was here and his quick jump to not renew ODay and Phlu are decisions were still recovering from.

Also MSU has good practice in this field after the Kramer debacle. Everyone hates it but they’re probably handling this like they should. Legally

What was Engstrom's address, again?

 

[EverettGriz]

Funny as hell. You all want MSU to do exactly what UM did to Pflu and Johnson before it was all adjudicated. UM still hasn't recovered from the lack of restraint by their administration.

This is 100% facts. Engstrom was the worst thing to happen to this university. He ran it into the ground while he was here and his quick jump to not renew ODay and Phlu are decisions were still recovering from.

Also MSU has good practice in this field after the Kramer debacle. Everyone hates it but they’re probably handling this like they should. Legally

What legal risk would prevent them from suspending with pay? You cannot sue if you don't have damages, and it would be extremely difficult to do so for a state employee while collecting a paycheck. I suppose in theory they could sue for loss of reputation, but how do you think that would play in front of a Montana jury; state employees charged with crimes and still getting paid, but they want more? My hunch is maybe not so great.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

This is 100% facts. Engstrom was the worst thing to happen to this university. He ran it into the ground while he was here and his quick jump to not renew ODay and Phlu are decisions were still recovering from.

Also MSU has good practice in this field after the Kramer debacle. Everyone hates it but they’re probably handling this like they should. Legally

What legal risk would prevent them from suspending with pay? You cannot sue if you don't have damages, and it would be extremely difficult to do so for a state employee while collecting a paycheck. I suppose in theory they could sue for loss of reputation, but how do you think that would play in front of a Montana jury; state employees charged with crimes and still getting paid, but they want more? My hunch is maybe not so great.

Here it is: “Bud, you’ve had chances, we gave you another one and you fucked it up. We’re going to need you to resign. We’ll pay the rest of your base contract. Good luck. See you never. Lose our number.”

Not: “Bud, you’ve had chances, we gave you another one and you fucked it up. We’re going to need you to re-sign With a raise.”

 

[garizzalies]